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[PATCH] Nested backquote in pcase

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Message #20 received at 72328 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen <at> web.de>
To: Thuna <thuna.cing <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 72328 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#72328: [PATCH] Nested backquote in pcase
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 18:03:59 +0200

Thuna <thuna.cing <at> gmail.com> writes:

> > This would be a backward-incompatible change, breaking existing code.
>
> Yes, I forgot to mention this in my original report, but given how
> unintuitive (IMO) the current behavior is, I expect that very few people
> will be using patterns which would be effected by this change.

We have _dozens_ of such patterns in the Emacs Elisp sources that would
break.  Your expectation is wrong.


> > And this change would break the symmetry between `backquote' the macro
> > and backquote patterns in `pcase'.  This is an important design idea.
>
> I am not quite sure why you think that this breaks symmetry with the
> backquote macro;

We want that something like this works as expected:

#+begin_src emacs-lisp
(let ((a 1) (b 2))
  (pcase `(69 foo (97 ,a ((,b))))
    (`(69 foo (97 ,a ((,b))))
    (list a b)))) ==> (1 2)
#+end_src

I think it's obvious what I mean with symmetry between backquote and
pcase backquote without giving a formal definition.


> the purpose of this patch was to establish a symmetry
> in the first place.  Would you consider the examples provided as
> unnatural?

I'm more concerned about what we would loose.


> AFAICT right now the only way to match an unevaluated (or quoted) `,foo
> is with `(,'\` (,'\, foo)) which is quite unideal.

If `foo` is the literal symbol you can simply match using a quote pattern
like in

  (pcase '`,foo
    ('`,foo t))
 ==> t


> It is not often that you need this but having this not be
> representable in this way is not particularly useful.

It indeed gets ugly when one wants to match a non-constant
backquote expression using a backquote pcase pattern with partial
unquotes (the "mixed case").

But making pcase backquote patterns less expressive just to make this
special case simpler doesn't make sense to me.  OTOH I agree that having
a convenient solution for this kind of problem would be nice.


Michael.

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