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Add: instead of yours. Or: in addition to yours. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 18 01:19:06 2024 Received: (at 72169-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jul 2024 05:19:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36684 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1sUJXm-0000Zg-6k for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Jul 2024 01:19:06 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36010) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1sUJXh-0000Z1-Vk for 72169-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Jul 2024 01:19:04 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sUJXX-00026E-IW; Thu, 18 Jul 2024 01:18:51 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=3YIl+Ne1uPiVq/7Il5Cd3tGtGsh5JCJiy9TN4xH6ZC8=; b=BHvXNNy7tNAP 1i2odwXoywYVJH/BUQvWn6FWKf6K+Cwl8oa6UYd73pmNY463iUghCK3R1edVYpdZarMtY5OtolrCB uCQJfVur5MvVg2GZVafWkwW1FC/pg+v9XnB1aMjrBuT4Q6sd+6p8w2fBEte9T1UE34ReFgK85RWUt Nj9c9hkxD2N/c4EuzeaFYCxaqSrGDdt0MpqTFPAJ5zvBAtb/EbntKYFvf8cWHcA30Q9k/nxtLECws FhQby3NId6bLvNSGrZ2+fzs7ysrRU30pXlCaNqw/cBRsusAUt/OkZrqsTts4Ea3zi7ZDdnDhyhq0J yaQ7dCbIOWUa8JyHHUwP8Q==; Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2024 08:18:49 +0300 Message-Id: <86v813ffba.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Dan Jacobson In-Reply-To: <87frs78jqz.1.fsf@jidanni.org> (message from Dan Jacobson on Thu, 18 Jul 2024 11:24:52 +0800) Subject: Re: bug#72169: emacs --user documentation References: <87frs78jqz.1.fsf@jidanni.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 72169-done Cc: 72169-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Dan Jacobson > Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2024 11:24:52 +0800 > > $ man emacs > -u user, --user=user > Load user's init file. > > Add: > instead of yours. > Or: > in addition to yours. See "emacs --help" and the Emacs user manual for a better description. I don't see a need to invest efforts in making the man page better. We prefer the Info manual and the on-line help for a reason. So I'm closing this bug report. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 18 04:33:45 2024 Received: (at 72169-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jul 2024 08:33:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36838 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1sUMa8-0005sM-Qw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Jul 2024 04:33:45 -0400 Received: from mail-ed1-f50.google.com ([209.85.208.50]:59858) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1sUMa5-0005s5-P2 for 72169-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Jul 2024 04:33:43 -0400 Received: by mail-ed1-f50.google.com with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-57cf8880f95so516406a12.3 for <72169-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 18 Jul 2024 01:33:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1721291552; x=1721896352; darn=debbugs.gnu.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=F4zuP8mpvZLMoZet2YLl8ntAhL3HOrmFwQ14YUf3CiY=; b=NjSj29KTwiWYSyI4xlQkP+fRqluKgg7pJvLWGGeXwhcW3lfkem5zY5H2SXZWevbpUI wCIRWzgwbkw2reaqBxBdrIA4TvtpDzYwjFnZuiVUWVKckvZkoSGTfGeWAZBXF6sAODBe Agp8Sz0y1DtSVy2/Ln7EZN8MbeAD0ju3gmVKGb7ClHDFfGsGkfFT5Fu8q3DKqZqS2du+ D2GbEQ2jEaYmgN2RmzdoyLarbemb2XMkWoznQc5RvUCY8iOAfY4R+f6CdaxIRCx59smZ QBml406drGFbNgLUk4Do4tNLDRdjqLzcldeQeUAVfaY0GlFoe3wesjSGZSFdjmCJyX2H pppw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1721291552; x=1721896352; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=F4zuP8mpvZLMoZet2YLl8ntAhL3HOrmFwQ14YUf3CiY=; b=Rmq3JnrVv9KT6xh/deLoikAXXr6nZtS4eHrvE8pPS5wZBYeXrk47jG/hm1yLWQYMaK 3UE+T4wPRdh9Ur00IWD2CDQX1Nj4R3rbF4TOSuyi0/t4voKv4LNsMB0kB/5k12ztC4Fw sPPyccFpZiyDWnjPOCwKH2om5PxPx9dRZWwPpNwvPhhkOkxaH8HWDcusxoiqjSKPiXw8 HmaUyzvvlxIRuzriOyrM2iOjghtScvoFt3EKbM73ua9lGstkH9T2zNAAeBlVPP5upmZK wPbjPN3P4EfEkFejffd0HwexGUZpwJW9X8s8lc3bCg+Nkp3dwGQ3Jj5o2NAZYmyeDYIV 6y1w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzUR4Ec6Ks308hgiBGdH1oPhCB+2gAC4t8b2e6LgWSvkeWTCGQQ J5vniYRjK22zudCCtzrsf6f4pYnTDqOU/c0yGfXtdtjdDFEF/W1aE20nh0r+xLA1DzeaSJJFu7A jwQjaT9YWXf4HPjsqIXGUfiGYHAOmgIrktS0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHW1KMrjhV67J2/PYhpERXD8lz4yi8xpBkiDqq6bG1X5WZTfz67pdA2KH0rDP2HnqVVTCqBZLrFRdEFhQT7XQs= X-Received: by 2002:a50:d59a:0:b0:58d:fd5a:eb54 with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-5a05bcc6a22mr3691013a12.17.1721291552041; Thu, 18 Jul 2024 01:32:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 18 Jul 2024 01:32:31 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <86v813ffba.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87frs78jqz.1.fsf@jidanni.org> <86v813ffba.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2024 01:32:31 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#72169: emacs --user documentation To: Eli Zaretskii , Dan Jacobson Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 72169-done Cc: 72169-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Dan Jacobson >> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2024 11:24:52 +0800 >> >> $ man emacs >> -u user, --user=user >> Load user's init file. >> >> Add: >> instead of yours. >> Or: >> in addition to yours. > > See "emacs --help" and the Emacs user manual for a better description. > > I don't see a need to invest efforts in making the man page better. > We prefer the Info manual and the on-line help for a reason. > > So I'm closing this bug report. I installed a change to add the words "instead of your own", which is the same text as in "emacs --help". From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 18 04:58:17 2024 Received: (at 72169) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jul 2024 08:58:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36862 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1sUMxs-0006TU-OJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Jul 2024 04:58:17 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38320) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1sUMxq-0006TH-Cf for 72169@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Jul 2024 04:58:15 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sUMxf-0002Yq-DH; Thu, 18 Jul 2024 04:58:04 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=k2+iJN1M9hfA6NiHNWGOuU45Ld2HnPFxJsm0e23M9tE=; b=fm3bh2iTRkF+ sFs33kRJr+EHrKgxmvfwKZEP7GLhAyUS/tu1g13X6HXhHr1VYPemIkStZ6TjNHpmezkkSLZxej+fm VWWQL3Cg3TGxVp/HPTzNTxnD9cIm4w2gioC5akLdrcp6FnuWWT7nVh1Fpn16JofflSJaohJc9JZEr PBUJ26f8XwnxOFTNaCDmxM2ixiTBw52CcZ4bSeZiiZxV46feh1VUVxq0u+19DxH5Ihh7keqiVTHQU pq1HWTd0uaviza0/Ni+3o9WCQltgYJkjmtDgH/Z+INgm1uN2WF0FP9vek4zSfLNpUvBW71H5asZCV IBxHuMvOqBguCDw1c0bPmQ==; Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2024 11:57:58 +0300 Message-Id: <86msmff561.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Thu, 18 Jul 2024 01:32:31 -0700) Subject: Re: bug#72169: emacs --user documentation References: <87frs78jqz.1.fsf@jidanni.org> <86v813ffba.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 72169 Cc: 72169@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2024 01:32:31 -0700 > Cc: 72169-done@debbugs.gnu.org > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> From: Dan Jacobson > >> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2024 11:24:52 +0800 > >> > >> $ man emacs > >> -u user, --user=user > >> Load user's init file. > >> > >> Add: > >> instead of yours. > >> Or: > >> in addition to yours. > > > > See "emacs --help" and the Emacs user manual for a better description. > > > > I don't see a need to invest efforts in making the man page better. > > We prefer the Info manual and the on-line help for a reason. > > > > So I'm closing this bug report. > > I installed a change to add the words "instead of your own", which is > the same text as in "emacs --help". Thanks for upholding my opinions. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 20 23:02:35 2024 Received: (at 72169) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jul 2024 03:02:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54603 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1sVMqJ-0008Tz-G8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Jul 2024 23:02:35 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:55660) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1sVMqH-0008Tl-Gj for 72169@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Jul 2024 23:02:34 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sVMo4-0003Gw-Pn; Sat, 20 Jul 2024 23:00:16 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=v6DBLJz0lMONUNXB08LjhlwPYbiCD3YR0mWN56ZMvt8=; b=rruP/X2YEY9d otHEyEgLm1iPrQaX2/520I5Lp1s3+T6uTcHcJLZioQwv8M6TdsDlEv25UjKncwCtWmEmU7QpwpH8p eJPLERw2KQfNU/aZUrXfC+a8vISvxR/xisL9KCUM9IZ5iaPm5HSGy+bYKkDFCVpLgK7oYmYol8o9P p6ZNfx1X2qfyfExsIWOH59UdCQuexsPInb8uzLV8OCtJylPKsn0swduimMxNfp2yzo2fF2SZ/fmjJ c0dYbOrPqniuWeAG5YhzOQf5e2rs9juM+bJhnbqEV3Hqr9V/5PyVS2tzT6Nd3N6Ume/+GkLnTQtoc 4NrfqV33LxfElelwD6KIhQ==; Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sVMo4-0002mg-9a; Sat, 20 Jul 2024 23:00:16 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Dan Jacobson In-Reply-To: <87frs78jqz.1.fsf@jidanni.org> (message from Dan Jacobson on Thu, 18 Jul 2024 11:24:52 +0800) Subject: Re: bug#72169: emacs --user documentation References: <87frs78jqz.1.fsf@jidanni.org> Message-Id: Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2024 23:00:16 -0400 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 72169 Cc: 72169@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Add: > instead of yours. > Or: > in addition to yours. 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