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To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::22c; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-lj1-x22c.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Severity: minor This item in NEWS is under "Changes in Specialized Modes and Packages in Emacs 30.1". ** Mwheel The 'wheel-up/down/left/right' events are now bound unconditionally, and the 'mouse-wheel-up/down/left/right-event' variables are thus used only to specify the 'mouse-4/5/6/7' events that might still happen to be generated by some old packages (or if 'mouse-wheel-buttons' has been set to nil). Would it be happier somewhere else? Mouse wheel support is a very basic editor feature, so it doesn't seem to belong under "specialized" modes and packages. However, I'm not sure to what extent this is a user-facing feature. Perhaps it should be under Lisp Changes? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jun 29 04:13:21 2024 Received: (at 71830-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Jun 2024 08:13:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36944 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1sNTCy-000831-P8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 29 Jun 2024 04:13:21 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:58074) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1sNTCw-00082n-Ct for 71830-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 29 Jun 2024 04:13:18 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sNTCr-0004sW-2t; Sat, 29 Jun 2024 04:13:13 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=q/WrI9vB44Y0uIoQZgYVxfdIGlINkSTWOsGoKnR5hEI=; b=cuxj5p0ieHd1 kvofUL8Lf+/W5y02G+vwy7ZjmcYWk26zAu0hYGd3MyX8vtikQYG56RPXQg4pnkAtNP+iNVTSuixO9 zBRKMWHJNcIQCry65cuIrYcR0JkXOICivbsx7YysM7rOeGWAV4Js3b8F2dvslT5VwhvdAJLjELuLZ Pnw5HV5xQOHNzk4uSjgTKAzOy5Af7vRwFVeyJOQVqNlg36aKaUcfOLjVYKCIQRpw44pQKsT+EIcdd xBV/ITl/dwEHenEurbKap0eYgHQP+GJAj8SmYYUIOTXXubNZyjWjmtcMULUiDe0RopZfMZIf1mDJw niQIr9r5sliYxQF+KS9c3A==; Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2024 11:13:07 +0300 Message-Id: <86ikxsjhf0.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Fri, 28 Jun 2024 19:20:35 -0700) Subject: Re: bug#71830: 30.0.60: "'wheel-up/down/left/right' events" in suboptimal place in NEWS? References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 71830-done Cc: 71830-done@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Cc: Stefan Monnier > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2024 19:20:35 -0700 > > Severity: minor > > This item in NEWS is under "Changes in Specialized Modes and Packages in > Emacs 30.1". > > ** Mwheel > The 'wheel-up/down/left/right' events are now bound unconditionally, > and the 'mouse-wheel-up/down/left/right-event' variables are thus used > only to specify the 'mouse-4/5/6/7' events that might still > happen to be generated by some old packages (or if 'mouse-wheel-buttons' > has been set to nil). > > Would it be happier somewhere else? Mouse wheel support is a very basic > editor feature, so it doesn't seem to belong under "specialized" modes > and packages. > > However, I'm not sure to what extent this is a user-facing feature. > Perhaps it should be under Lisp Changes? I moved it. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 6d5ad570b6989f433a0e2acc7d7be1e9; Sat, 29 Jun 2024 12:12:41 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu To: Stefan Kangas Subject: Re: bug#71830: 30.0.60: "'wheel-up/down/left/right' events" in suboptimal place in NEWS? In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Fri, 28 Jun 2024 19:20:35 -0700") References: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2024 20:12:20 +0800 Message-ID: <875xtseymz.fsf@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.22407 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 821 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 71830 Cc: 71830@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Stefan Kangas writes: > Severity: minor > > This item in NEWS is under "Changes in Specialized Modes and Packages in > Emacs 30.1". > > ** Mwheel > The 'wheel-up/down/left/right' events are now bound unconditionally, > and the 'mouse-wheel-up/down/left/right-event' variables are thus used > only to specify the 'mouse-4/5/6/7' events that might still > happen to be generated by some old packages (or if 'mouse-wheel-buttons' > has been set to nil). > > Would it be happier somewhere else? Mouse wheel support is a very basic > editor feature, so it doesn't seem to belong under "specialized" modes > and packages. > > However, I'm not sure to what extent this is a user-facing feature. > Perhaps it should be under Lisp Changes? 100% agreement. Please make this so. 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To: Po Lu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 71830 Cc: 71830@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Po Lu writes: > Stefan Kangas writes: > >> Severity: minor >> >> This item in NEWS is under "Changes in Specialized Modes and Packages in >> Emacs 30.1". >> >> ** Mwheel >> The 'wheel-up/down/left/right' events are now bound unconditionally, >> and the 'mouse-wheel-up/down/left/right-event' variables are thus used >> only to specify the 'mouse-4/5/6/7' events that might still >> happen to be generated by some old packages (or if 'mouse-wheel-buttons' >> has been set to nil). >> >> Would it be happier somewhere else? Mouse wheel support is a very basic >> editor feature, so it doesn't seem to belong under "specialized" modes >> and packages. >> >> However, I'm not sure to what extent this is a user-facing feature. >> Perhaps it should be under Lisp Changes? > > 100% agreement. Please make this so. Thanks, Eli has fixed it in commit 53dcf2b9492. I subsequently moved some more items in commit c95066bf188. From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:16:15 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2024 11:24:09 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator