From unknown Tue Aug 19 05:13:30 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7177: Global minor modes might tell there is a variable in the doc string Resent-From: Lennart Borgman Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 17:38:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 7177 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 7177@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: Emacs Bugs Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.128655947616893 (code B ref -1); Fri, 08 Oct 2010 17:38:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Oct 2010 17:37:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P4GtH-0004OP-QE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 13:37:56 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P4GtF-0004OI-Vi for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 13:37:54 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P4GwP-0006C9-4x for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 13:41:11 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:48890) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P4GwP-0006C5-2k for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 13:41:09 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=46610 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1P4GwN-0003yw-Bx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 13:41:08 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P4Gn1-000485-9O for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 13:31:29 -0400 Received: from mail-qy0-f169.google.com ([209.85.216.169]:50000) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P4GmW-0003yB-Mf for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 13:31:27 -0400 Received: by qyk31 with SMTP id 31so245736qyk.0 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 10:30:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=Z7OnnUHpa5L6zRIj/TOksS5syQ0vTrHIIOmpw/t7ygM=; b=D+5pTLLhpZyZa0kJPbb4gTRaEgixmYF/QUsW1V76X8gRUKs3P/aCxBMoBR8PujfSUA BeIafCjPgzIUfIhAHvlxuEB/qLdUbngRPmrAcWqWCp878l3o6EKl+mqRsnpM6J2YSSNM rF6xvosc4102z8dnnP55Bl7FOUO/ELZ++IlCs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=fMSx1z2RSjk48UDbNgr5FaOtx4pcxhzmt94UzQOkM7BwfSvE2ApLWXTf7BDdM7qEbX lk2ovG/NbirUHlNL48vnhPQ2BbwNeiwLh0M9GER6Hlp/v77rCBaD5TTMYdsL6S9K0i6x WN8D8x86Xt3ebriNpcUbYfTEEdrPGa0aidLj4= Received: by 10.224.2.85 with SMTP id 21mr258005qai.166.1286558960584; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 10:29:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.220.195 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 10:29:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Lennart Borgman Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:29:00 +0200 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-Spam-Score: -4.6 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.6 (----) Global minor modes might tell there is a corresponding customizable variable in the doc string. I think especially new users would benefit from that. From unknown Tue Aug 19 05:13:30 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7177: Global minor modes might tell there is a variable in the doc string Resent-From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2011 21:44:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7177 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lennart Borgman Cc: 7177@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 7177-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7177.130964302012051 (code B ref 7177); Sat, 02 Jul 2011 21:44:02 +0000 Received: (at 7177) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jul 2011 21:43:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qd7yV-00038K-R0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 17:43:40 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qd7yU-00037z-M6 for 7177@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 17:43:39 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qd7yJ-0004E0-HE; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 23:43:27 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: (Lennart Borgman's message of "Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:29:00 +0200") Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2011 23:26:02 +0200 Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Now-Playing: Beth Sorrentino's _WFMU053001_: "Bound Together" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110702:7177@debbugs.gnu.org::Y2x0anslJYClZS8B:000000000000000000000000000000000000000003/ii X-Hashcash: 1:23:110702:lennart.borgman@gmail.com::IAJ1gon+HNu1ddzD:000000000000000000000000000000000001Bz8s MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1Qd7yJ-0004E0-HE X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1310247807.72579@p+Bcpf+bP1CpIqrBmJlARw X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) Lennart Borgman writes: > Global minor modes might tell there is a corresponding customizable > variable in the doc string. > > I think especially new users would benefit from that. Do (new) users really need to know that? To switch the minor modes off and on, you don't really need to be aware that there are variables that correspond to the minor modes. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From unknown Tue Aug 19 05:13:30 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7177: Global minor modes might tell there is a variable in the doc string Resent-From: Lennart Borgman Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2011 02:19:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7177 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Cc: 7177@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 7177-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7177.130965949115766 (code B ref 7177); Sun, 03 Jul 2011 02:19:02 +0000 Received: (at 7177) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jul 2011 02:18:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QdCGB-00046F-MQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 22:18:11 -0400 Received: from mail-ey0-f172.google.com ([209.85.215.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QdCGA-000463-0y for 7177@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 22:18:10 -0400 Received: by eye13 with SMTP id 13so1733345eye.3 for <7177@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 19:18:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6GF/IM2pEyF8PH9BRmYqgr5lWC3dxdY2uvEepT4xwlo=; b=A5BH1Pu8XK5LuKbZSqY/8lfkfdSVAT1tYbT3C7Gm3svNCC3/3B/SPddvLzKP9f/Ht6 zwpd1InqG7A63e1YApNqaKcWDJ5z4w+KYl2tMWjFEcZuu054Zycxu2mk6MvPm/4FzU8t 9hbvUzsmO4HQoTS/+yPI+LTeB19Hd/duKCu+8= Received: by 10.213.35.202 with SMTP id q10mr1014597ebd.64.1309659484205; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 19:18:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.7.84 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Jul 2011 19:17:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Lennart Borgman Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 04:17:44 +0200 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 23:26, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrot= e: > Lennart Borgman writes: > >> Global minor modes might tell there is a corresponding customizable >> variable in the doc string. >> >> I think especially new users would benefit from that. > > Do (new) users really need to know that? =C2=A0To switch the minor modes = off > and on, you don't really need to be aware that there are variables that > correspond to the minor modes. Yes, you do because you can not customize (i.e. turn them on by default) them otherwise. From unknown Tue Aug 19 05:13:30 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7177: Global minor modes might tell there is a variable in the doc string Resent-From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2011 02:36:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7177 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lennart Borgman Cc: 7177@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 7177-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7177.130966054017199 (code B ref 7177); Sun, 03 Jul 2011 02:36:02 +0000 Received: (at 7177) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jul 2011 02:35:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QdCX6-0004TM-8I for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 22:35:40 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QdCX4-0004T9-6B for 7177@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 22:35:39 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QdCWr-0007kF-R8; Sun, 03 Jul 2011 04:35:25 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: (Lennart Borgman's message of "Sun, 3 Jul 2011 04:17:44 +0200") Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2011 04:35:21 +0200 Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAGFBMVEXHvMPMwcrY0dnAtLrP xc5lW1X+/f7Kv8cbjkXhAAACK0lEQVQ4jXWUQW/bMAyFGbiFryWiQHfVP8CBLOw6ORxy3SAIve/Q s4Qk4N8fKdtJCqxEDo4/vfdIWTZ8flPw6f5bn/A30uBmNxA5smyIaB5s9yLAuUFWNMB9beDcwGBm N89NPzh6ArTelaJIsyPnzrBTQK4RUr+5GZ9BFVw1UTIoArAxAheFlcAoP6OgN3LpYnlpwDQw0VmB yIf4RTE1xT4izZuVZixg7G87lOtyFYBPirEPRwVcG2iK8xRt5yF8NIVaMaMq9tNP6PyYf7P23QBU BZfjfvQ+pVQfiirNx9cgIKeUex2oF1CgRzQCvPdZCowMtIKK+HHLOQhIvm5ApqrWpkNOwaecRjRk G2Do2e7zL3GRhOTtlWxZrdhe8iEvlSTxrYM1wx5CGPcLkcSyAmC+3cJ42gDfQc/hNS/N5szIxfsN dGMQ+zELPnMBP7auioBJgVcQ0ZZuXNutlwbCF9CsLtMhiX9I+U80uGSAdFXfppPH5pVQQOebFdRq p5O0KyBleQS8ZVSzz+n4HrLPH8Ea2sKFyGp610lSQMRHOAow777NYetTVyhW15PvFHBluFsxymM+ 6TYeDVeEu6L0ptRopf8jihXApigg/wmt9z/QyuSw7q7sVrWiYAG1hcOyiTs5QpZ1ZadS3ABUtBTR qMXO3OdAWS4Hi/SGrHkG/QIillGPq1030erbrUdcjqwomrIBrHLcUd8EaoBMXIB+E7Ya6PEt+f7r 8039A9n1DRs2cElqAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Bill Wells, Annie Whitehead, Stefan Schneider, Barbara Morgenstern's _Paper Of Pins_: "The Three Ronnies" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110703:lennart.borgman@gmail.com::FDkfusDSit+Y3mdO:000000000000000000000000000000000000SmGr X-Hashcash: 1:23:110703:7177@debbugs.gnu.org::Ln9ALHyrOwoZUzrV:00000000000000000000000000000000000000001S7J7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1QdCWr-0007kF-R8 X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1310265326.02692@S2hh4pISjmY62b8fDqoVmQ X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) Lennart Borgman writes: > Yes, you do because you can not customize (i.e. turn them on by > default) them otherwise. If you set, for instance, the `flyspell-mode' variable from customize -- will that turn it on by default? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From unknown Tue Aug 19 05:13:30 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7177: Global minor modes might tell there is a variable in the doc string Resent-From: Lennart Borgman Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2011 02:44:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7177 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Cc: 7177@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 7177-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7177.130966100918257 (code B ref 7177); Sun, 03 Jul 2011 02:44:02 +0000 Received: (at 7177) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jul 2011 02:43:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QdCee-0004kQ-Hc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 22:43:28 -0400 Received: from mail-ey0-f172.google.com ([209.85.215.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QdCec-0004kD-Jc for 7177@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 22:43:27 -0400 Received: by eye13 with SMTP id 13so1736453eye.3 for <7177@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 19:43:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=YmbSNwdg+PmybfJ8JvSuMqTVtogPj130jwHo3ZRxN/4=; b=XhPVDH5wNTRt56sZo9MAT9NTDmO1XBmxGMho/tHsM6SO+OAIKOTbnkkN3kp2z/5X0/ lOv1Rffq0mlg9eotJshwJl+sup1fj4Ic+Ysj/cjKw2oIkjdqkB3jH0QvBsNwqF1DozYv UTl6bN6NGwlymO0JJ4T8bOqn+p4A9NQ3Cszag= Received: by 10.213.3.213 with SMTP id 21mr1457796ebo.26.1309661000758; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 19:43:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.7.84 with HTTP; Sat, 2 Jul 2011 19:43:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Lennart Borgman Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 04:43:00 +0200 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 04:35, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Lennart Borgman writes: > >> Yes, you do because you can not customize (i.e. turn them on by >> default) them otherwise. > > If you set, for instance, the `flyspell-mode' variable from customize -- > will that turn it on by default? You can only do that for global minor modes. Then it will be turned on by default. From unknown Tue Aug 19 05:13:30 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7177: Global minor modes might tell there is a variable in the doc string Resent-From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 14:45:07 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7177 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lennart Borgman Cc: 7177@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 7177-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7177.131065470526563 (code B ref 7177); Thu, 14 Jul 2011 14:45:07 +0000 Received: (at 7177) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jul 2011 14:45:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhNA0-0006uE-8N for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:45:04 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhN9x-0006s3-Bs for 7177@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:45:02 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QhN9i-00086C-Nm; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:44:46 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: (Lennart Borgman's message of "Sun, 3 Jul 2011 04:43:00 +0200") Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:33:06 +0200 Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Now-Playing: Depeche Mode's _A Question of Lust_: "People are People (live)" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110714:lennart.borgman@gmail.com::ka0k+pd5GiFiHHvI:000000000000000000000000000000000000UXge X-Hashcash: 1:23:110714:7177@debbugs.gnu.org::tqFqd0Wz4bop0FMS:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000e/Au MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1QhN9i-00086C-Nm X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311259486.81929@3vDPAC+VdvuT43k5djGQOA X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Lennart Borgman writes: > You can only do that for global minor modes. Then it will be turned on > by default. What global minor mode, in particular, do you think should mention this variable? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From unknown Tue Aug 19 05:13:30 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7177: Global minor modes might tell there is a variable in the doc string Resent-From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 20:10:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7177 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lennart Borgman Cc: 7177@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 7177-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7177.131231578710774 (code B ref 7177); Tue, 02 Aug 2011 20:10:02 +0000 Received: (at 7177) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Aug 2011 20:09:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QoLHf-0002nj-3a for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 16:09:47 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QoLHb-0002nU-55 for 7177@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 16:09:44 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QoLGz-0000DL-4e; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:09:05 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:33:06 +0200") Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:08:04 +0200 Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Now-Playing: Ultra Vivid Scene's _Mercy Seat_ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1QoLGz-0000DL-4e X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1312920545.28454@GwTFutgYoupNxpnwYI03Bg X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > Lennart Borgman writes: > >> You can only do that for global minor modes. Then it will be turned on >> by default. > > What global minor mode, in particular, do you think should mention this > variable? Ping? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From unknown Tue Aug 19 05:13:30 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7177: Global minor modes might tell there is a variable in the doc string Resent-From: Lennart Borgman Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 20:27:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7177 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Cc: 7177@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 7177-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7177.131231679215554 (code B ref 7177); Tue, 02 Aug 2011 20:27:01 +0000 Received: (at 7177) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Aug 2011 20:26:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QoLXp-00042l-Sd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 16:26:32 -0400 Received: from mail-ew0-f44.google.com ([209.85.215.44]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QoLXn-00042e-NF for 7177@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 16:26:28 -0400 Received: by ewy19 with SMTP id 19so99454ewy.3 for <7177@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 13:25:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=WHFqs8ztNgQuZcw3bVIWH89OMQMIV5Mn5cOc2XqM9zQ=; b=JHR621ceMSPV3cX64nrIAEET67bwXK+RnvA4BG9bDYRhtlg4XymsJC9nozyi3KLj1p wjng5UclRl5enCdOmcbNp7F79vAJFZz2sCNPJAUCvB/GkpDtN9buUEy5CwEgH0SUU0+/ VI1HTeVkRNDu2lp+/lgG9oURG9zs7QDsOMXmw= Received: by 10.213.8.205 with SMTP id i13mr2101561ebi.87.1312316757204; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 13:25:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.12.205 with HTTP; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 13:25:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Lennart Borgman Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 22:25:37 +0200 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 22:08, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > >> Lennart Borgman writes: >> >>> You can only do that for global minor modes. Then it will be turned on >>> by default. >> >> What global minor mode, in particular, do you think should mention this >> variable? > > Ping? All global minor modes defined by define-minor-mode. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Lennart Borgman writes: > Global minor modes might tell there is a corresponding customizable > variable in the doc string. > > I think especially new users would benefit from that. 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