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envelope-from=jidanni@jidanni.org; helo=fly.ash.relay.mailchannels.net X-Spam_score_int: -5 X-Spam_score: -0.6 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12=1.543, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) On (info "(emacs) Fixing Case") be sure to mention the other way too!: < ‘M-- M-l’ > ‘M-- M-l’ (or 'M-b M-l') < ‘M-- M-u’ > ‘M-- M-u’ (or 'M-b M-u') < ‘M-- M-c’ > ‘M-- M-c’ (or 'M-b M-c') From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri May 24 08:47:50 2024 Received: (at 71172) by debbugs.gnu.org; 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Date: Fri, 24 May 2024 15:45:13 +0300 Message-Id: <865xv32xba.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Dan Jacobson In-Reply-To: <87bk4w55xy.3.fsf@jidanni.org> (message from Dan Jacobson on Fri, 24 May 2024 09:55:53 +0800) Subject: Re: bug#71172: Info: Fixing Case: mention both ways References: <87bk4w55xy.3.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 71172 Cc: 71172@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) tags 71172 notabug wontfix close 71172 thanks > From: Dan Jacobson > Date: Fri, 24 May 2024 09:55:53 +0800 > > On (info "(emacs) Fixing Case") be sure to mention the other way too!: > < ‘M-- M-l’ > > ‘M-- M-l’ (or 'M-b M-l') > < ‘M-- M-u’ > > ‘M-- M-u’ (or 'M-b M-u') > < ‘M-- M-c’ > > ‘M-- M-c’ (or 'M-b M-c') Why? The point of M-- is that you do NOT need to go backwards, as with other editors. With the above logic, we'd also need to document that C-M-r \b M-c and C-M-r \< M-c and C-M-r \Sw M-c and gazillion other ways, are _also_ the way of fixing the case of word before point. To say nothing of the fact that "M-- M-c" guarantees that point will remain where it was (so you can safely keep typing afterwards), whereas all the other methods above do not. E.g., try your M-b method when there's one or more SPC characters between point and the end of the previous word. The Emacs manual shows the recommended most convenient and correct practices. It doesn't (and should NOT) show all of the possible ways, let alone complex and inconvenient onces. So I don't think we should do what you suggest, and I'm therefore closing this bug. 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The point of M-- is that you do NOT need to go backwards, as > with other editors. With the above logic, we'd also need to document Well, OK. I was just thinking "b" was a little closer to hit on the keyboard than "-". From unknown Mon Aug 18 08:55:24 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2024 11:24:14 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator