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envelope-from=jidanni@jidanni.org; helo=dormouse.elm.relay.mailchannels.net X-Spam_score_int: -5 X-Spam_score: -0.6 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12=1.543, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) Man ls says: -U do not sort; list entries in directory order Please make it say: -U do not sort; list entries in the order they were given on the command line, and files within directories using their directories' order And on (info "(coreutils) Sorting the output") please change: ‘-U’ ‘--sort=none’ Do not sort; list the files in whatever order they are stored in the directory. (Do not do any of the other unrelated things that ‘-f’ does.) This can be useful when listing large directories, where sorting can take some time. to instead say: ‘-U’ ‘--sort=none’ Do not sort; list the files in the order they were given on the command line, and files within directories in whatever order they are stored in the directory. (Do not do any of the other unrelated things that ‘-f’, above, does.) This can be useful when listing large directories, where sorting can take some time. Proof: $ echo $PATH | tr -s : \\n /home/jidanni/bin /usr/local/sbin /usr/local/bin /usr/local/games /usr/sbin /usr/bin /usr/games /sbin /bin $ echo $PATH | tr -s : \\n | xargs ls -Uogd drwxr-xr-x 1 632 05-24 05:47 /home/jidanni/bin drwxr-xr-x 1 0 04-17 12:34 /usr/local/sbin drwxr-xr-x 1 0 04-17 12:34 /usr/local/bin drwxr-xr-x 1 0 04-17 12:34 /usr/local/games drwxr-xr-x 1 6028 05-23 07:42 /usr/sbin drwxr-xr-x 1 19542 05-23 20:01 /usr/bin drwxr-xr-x 1 0 01-29 05:20 /usr/games lrwxrwxrwx 1 8 04-17 12:34 /sbin -> usr/sbin lrwxrwxrwx 1 7 04-17 12:34 /bin -> usr/bin Above, -U thankfully allows me to keep the output in the order I gave it! Wait, man ls: -f list all entries in directory order Same problems all over again with -f documentation. So please also update the man ls and Info ls "-f" discussions to include the command line order, as I did above for -U. Thanks. ls (GNU coreutils) 9.4 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri May 24 11:49:20 2024 Received: (at 71171-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 May 2024 15:49:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37793 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1sAXAW-00013n-5L for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 May 2024 11:49:20 -0400 Received: from mail.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.66]:32838) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1sAXAU-00013h-2s for 71171-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 May 2024 11:49:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD9053C011BE0; Fri, 24 May 2024 08:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavis, port 10032) with ESMTP id 2B1oxWs3Lw5b; Fri, 24 May 2024 08:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61CD53C00FABA; Fri, 24 May 2024 08:49:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 mail.cs.ucla.edu 61CD53C00FABA DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cs.ucla.edu; s=9D0B346E-2AEB-11ED-9476-E14B719DCE6C; t=1716565744; bh=g+XJRNq0lNnYokRfsm7H2eQ7zvJd+d52O3UWT0v9gfg=; h=Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:To:From; b=qWn9GUS1c1+zzCN26v5edsHDIDQtGsfzm4YnQm1fgdB5Wzny++/ECmlSr8EyH7w0S HEa2mRpvtBEmMRzF51Tfbx6GIgyZUvOWuSwrwvKHhTP7Nc5GpuEnedtvLgfny/LO6A flPsO74WKffQOBfJkrIYYe0m8265PRmdxPLpw2+p2JAyp3CFv5hBn3RczQh1lbN+ZO mVFjB/aEe5LxxDy9bpcKTxHuLuewas6eZYwqu/9+o2t0L/7VRQ2gijycnfHFWAEqND w6RyCe8+KI0IPRCL0Ef8LHEpNv7WMVFpz0iMhpPz38si+FBj3K2kJKQ3BLgiE4pkLR GbeAIUC6WnGVA== X-Virus-Scanned: amavis at mail.cs.ucla.edu Received: from mail.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavis, port 10026) with ESMTP id 1krVTjBD68No; Fri, 24 May 2024 08:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.254.12] (unknown [47.154.17.165]) by mail.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3FDE63C011BE0; Fri, 24 May 2024 08:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------Lu0TRJ0HMI7MMFLCwj0klJgs" Message-ID: <98887352-bbf6-4c1e-b6af-2428b6f947ee@cs.ucla.edu> Date: Fri, 24 May 2024 08:49:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: bug#71171: ls -U, -f: document the other half of the story too To: Dan Jacobson References: <877cfk549n.3.fsf@jidanni.org> Content-Language: en-US From: Paul Eggert Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department In-Reply-To: <877cfk549n.3.fsf@jidanni.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 71171-done Cc: 71171-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------Lu0TRJ0HMI7MMFLCwj0klJgs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, I installed the attached. This doesn't exactly match your suggestion (as ls --help shouldn't be that chatty) but should address the issues you raised. 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