From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:13:32 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#7077 <7077@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#7077 <7077@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 24.0.50; mouse-drag-copy-region - name should say copy as kill Reply-To: bug#7077 <7077@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2025 00:13:32 +0000 retitle 7077 24.0.50; mouse-drag-copy-region - name should say copy as kill reassign 7077 emacs submitter 7077 "Drew Adams" severity 7077 minor thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 20 16:37:21 2010 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Sep 2010 20:37:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Oxn73-0008TR-Af for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 16:37:21 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Oxn71-0008TM-Dz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 16:37:19 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Oxn9R-0001Ys-AB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 16:39:50 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:48685) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Oxn9Q-0001Yk-Te for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 16:39:49 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=48045 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Oxn9O-0008Me-4J for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 16:39:47 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Oxn9L-0001YI-Q4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 16:39:45 -0400 Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]:52231) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Oxn9L-0001Y2-J3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 16:39:43 -0400 Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id o8KKddEK012587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 20:39:41 GMT Received: from acsmt354.oracle.com (acsmt354.oracle.com [141.146.40.154]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o8K8SrwO021472 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 20:39:39 GMT Received: from abhmt018.oracle.com by acsmt353.oracle.com with ESMTP id 620842931285015169; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 13:39:29 -0700 Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 13:39:29 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 24.0.50; mouse-drag-copy-region - name should say copy as kill Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 13:39:31 -0700 Message-ID: <7CDE0A71AE944FE0B0067BE2A24369EB@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Thread-Index: ActZA+09PNxbqKwnTBSTfhnOcsk3tg== X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) emacs -Q The name does not say anything about copying to the kill ring. The name should, like `kill-ring-save' and `copy-region-as-kill', say that this copies to the kill ring. Suggestion: `mouse-drag-copy-region-as-kill' or `mouse-drag-kill-ring-save'. In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2010-09-20 on 3249CTO Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (4.4) --no-opt --cflags -Ic:/imagesupport/include' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 02 10:31:46 2011 Received: (at 7077) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jul 2011 14:31:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qd1EY-0001kF-Ai for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 10:31:46 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qd1EV-0001jm-Pw for 7077@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 10:31:44 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qd1EK-0006Ld-6x; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 16:31:32 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: "Drew Adams" Subject: Re: bug#7077: 24.0.50; mouse-drag-copy-region - name should say copy as kill In-Reply-To: <7CDE0A71AE944FE0B0067BE2A24369EB@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Mon, 20 Sep 2010 13:39:31 -0700") Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2011 16:22:11 +0200 Message-ID: References: <7CDE0A71AE944FE0B0067BE2A24369EB@us.oracle.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAGFBMVEXCipbe8NLa4cri9Nfm 99qra3/Ru7SuXXrCyuUSAAACa0lEQVQ4jVXTQY+iQBAF4GKRcAUZPA8Kw1WE9axAPAsb4LoOGq6E BObv76vqdtY5kU7683VXP8k2NnMQTS6+o+fXiX3j9eLS6A6V2wXO6MZV0u2OYxpV6y7YEIDrT4lt HGbPn9LBPDRYuxYFAzYCeHFV2OFlzCKsb86VNti4AKxnz6nLwcybNwfAIAa3jSTY98tYRoC9c/UI Gxd3ELCkwwpgv6QPY021awvAQe9HBe7HqxtToMHuCU5L+TAPMz2Ba/dHPlKJpGsa1/S+JAPuEDAw JQEgnwNSR5o0qAVkfpWQJHwBMGxCSTgDEoCngRfVhQJ1wSMxDl87p/UGMxEQAYT7lj5Uwk2GDpBf S38qrJ4YqLsA7Blglqe2IE5INCgZZPuptO45VYdOEoxnAg+/zTCSaEosgDedwODR5yNtO5kSwI4T /ggoY4Mk4cgJqd3njYBVPnr0hY3JT3AFOBOe8XYYXS6OzFAAXo3w7mnMQIojAMPfYCS2ycWp9dAn Gbr7aOl9TNEDBpk8K0AM0JNqmgYnSWg+/7Ypj6Q6Wy+gjNoPq7/QLy5OK9VUPQB4x5oCJFgvPQDY AWAkM26mAPdgJa9UDCYNuFmv7yDPqkBJeCWVECrQfe7bbDBlJKo4qST4007WPknTUBwkZShOh2fF D5wb2uqmofycwD1gwBX1+NKS8AJCqag0jTf+Rg/wrAAlfRcHGwsGZWwWVnihT900Bqo4+OLPSFvp MhIGU/fALAG4oq9NezzBHf9atwkv303TCRjJHAAMPYCjwQnr1ZnqdafAWRVHA5+20VQM9/9Ne1Og 4YoeX5uGAzOo/gHSowqYV1z4nAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: Boris's _Variations_: "Naki Kyoku" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110702:drew.adams@oracle.com::edmBLJfkQrrSpmyr:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000XhEj X-Hashcash: 1:23:110702:7077@debbugs.gnu.org::Lutnz0wXZfMOrBqm:00000000000000000000000000000000000000001JjIm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1Qd1EK-0006Ld-6x X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1310221892.4194@V5RaxiU7E+Y8D642aA15yw X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7077 Cc: 7077@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) "Drew Adams" writes: > The name does not say anything about copying to the kill ring. The name > should, like `kill-ring-save' and `copy-region-as-kill', say that this > copies to the kill ring. > > Suggestion: `mouse-drag-copy-region-as-kill' or > `mouse-drag-kill-ring-save'. I think that sounds reasonable, but, on the other hand, is it really necessary for all these functions to mention "kill" in the function name? It seems intuitive (to me) that `mouse-drag-copy-region' puts stuff in the kill ring -- what else would it do? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 02 11:46:49 2011 Received: (at 7077) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jul 2011 15:46:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qd2PB-00079e-9k for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 11:46:49 -0400 Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qd2P9-00079N-Bw for 7077@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 11:46:48 -0400 Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id p62FkdDs027489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 2 Jul 2011 15:46:40 GMT Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p62FkcZQ024119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 2 Jul 2011 15:46:39 GMT Received: from abhmt117.oracle.com (abhmt117.oracle.com [141.146.116.69]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p62FkXeB028047; Sat, 2 Jul 2011 10:46:33 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.63.244) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 08:46:32 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen'" References: <7CDE0A71AE944FE0B0067BE2A24369EB@us.oracle.com> Subject: RE: bug#7077: 24.0.50; mouse-drag-copy-region - name should say copy as kill Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 08:46:24 -0700 Message-ID: <7E487051D23B4BCC9AC15FFF312E8788@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acw4xMZi2U+hrmUpQEu6xU6cW4a/cgACOvlA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090205.4E0F3D61.003C:SCFMA922111,ss=1,re=-4.000,fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -4.5 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7077 Cc: 7077@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.5 (----) > > The name does not say anything about copying to the kill > > ring. The name should, like `kill-ring-save' and > > `copy-region-as-kill', say that this copies to the kill ring. > > > > Suggestion: `mouse-drag-copy-region-as-kill' or > > `mouse-drag-kill-ring-save'. > > I think that sounds reasonable, but, on the other hand, is it really > necessary for all these functions to mention "kill" in the function > name? It seems intuitive (to me) that `mouse-drag-copy-region' puts > stuff in the kill ring -- what else would it do? 1. "Copy" can mean a couple different things. One misunderstanding might be to copy the region to another location in a buffer - a la copy + paste. 2. It's helpful for Emacs to be consistent and put important Emacs terms into command names that involve them. In particular, this makes it easy to find them using things like `apropos'. This principle is at least as old as the Unix `apropos' command and similar. We generally try to have Emacs commands that deal with buffer use `buffer' in the name; those that deal with files use `file'; with yanking use `yank', etc. It is not so obvious, especially to a newbie, that `mouse-drag-copy-region' copies to the `kill-ring'. Especially now that there are multiple copy-target thingies such as the clipboard, paste buffer, interprogram XYZ, etc. (I don't know the correct names). In the beginning Emacs had only the `kill-ring' for copying and pasting, but even in that context it would be helpful for a command such as this to have a name similar to `kill-ring-save' and `copy-region-as-kill', suggesting that it copies to the kill ring. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jul 03 10:02:55 2011 Received: (at 7077) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jul 2011 14:02:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QdNGA-000868-2G for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jul 2011 10:02:54 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QdNG7-00085u-Sd for 7077@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jul 2011 10:02:52 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QdNFw-0000cJ-F8; Sun, 03 Jul 2011 16:02:40 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: "Drew Adams" Subject: Re: bug#7077: 24.0.50; mouse-drag-copy-region - name should say copy as kill In-Reply-To: <7E487051D23B4BCC9AC15FFF312E8788@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Sat, 2 Jul 2011 08:46:24 -0700") Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2011 16:02:34 +0200 Message-ID: References: <7CDE0A71AE944FE0B0067BE2A24369EB@us.oracle.com> <7E487051D23B4BCC9AC15FFF312E8788@us.oracle.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAElBMVEUEAQBROzUNCAaOdGOu noza1sHh7llOAAACV0lEQVQ4jU2UQWLjIAxFZdIDDMbdg5zZDwYfIAYfIDHc/yr9Eum0LJwE8fjS lxyiX2tKtSYb8Cwznb23ruuij95qxbeW8kH2Z9Eq8VYynocSKe2yQ397V6IOwqWUrCt5o1vX3ToI nE8JJ1tTDbmhWgdC9lM+e5vprklUEQFRoJBOzeoup3svztoNGnIcO1GJlmp7E70qPwit40qi4TT3 Gq0dhKbf20ZZz39raFYif5DkA2+sEB+ISqk9FxDnOQzqT/qoKe7fXmVsS8opRdG49NIMjaWOJcQd nxLAORD4ocVHS5+jQCkGBVbEJVofZkc+YkKxadgu2yXFG4RLnKMNV5opIFG5CcSaa06WZzIhv4So QyY6EHXmaHkBwYJos6LLonzWyGF/0q7DoOL8KXVqUVY0GCuoJWFXo3ABCPFqjM8Tw4BW5MIsp0Rh Zl00VR9qjmQWnMp1WKjExT7nB5ED4cSMQdH6cEdGpuazvxB4OydEy1dFbSaE34THiGYdCr5jGKS2 rIxkJXLzNBvPIi4FYTEtve3demJ5J3gYgvhzggnuyT+vi5enIdx0Xu5FwY+fdHukvEVH0sBHPczq jdfAKgbWQrRfS6v/2L4vM8VGu+B9ouW4l3Pj7X2zyY96YpLxjQF3O39rBHQZkJy7oaCX3OQRYKNh WX4tyW3Mft0YlgzbNRIs2prQDx5TIh1Pqukl6NdoZsrqBxAtk9kk66c/t0MJZeKIrMGz8dM8TFTG apqwdkZ62/+/DCcjQ8aYzSBzo0Qp2qsU2UMjEgKTpkL8nhKWVrC2g78A1IjJ0jxbx2cAAAAASUVO RK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Siouxsie and the Banshees's _Kaleidoscope_: "Skin" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110703:drew.adams@oracle.com::3EuxEzLpieh1CONO:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000PxMh X-Hashcash: 1:23:110703:7077@debbugs.gnu.org::TnR96UtfHbGxe2AQ:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000ZEA4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1QdNFw-0000cJ-F8 X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1310306560.59446@WDwEzWHAuXyQVoXS3+5AAw X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7077 Cc: 7077@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) "Drew Adams" writes: >> I think that sounds reasonable, but, on the other hand, is it really >> necessary for all these functions to mention "kill" in the function >> name? It seems intuitive (to me) that `mouse-drag-copy-region' puts >> stuff in the kill ring -- what else would it do? > > 1. "Copy" can mean a couple different things. One misunderstanding > might be to copy the region to another location in a buffer - a la > copy + paste. > > 2. It's helpful for Emacs to be consistent and put important Emacs > terms into command names that involve them. That's true, but I'm not sure that this consistency is worth renaming user-visible customisation variables just to be that consistent. I was confused -- I thought `mouse-drag-copy-region' was a function, but it's a variable, which makes renaming even more of a problem, in my opinion. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jul 03 10:23:58 2011 Received: (at 7077) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jul 2011 14:23:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QdNaY-00007T-4w for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jul 2011 10:23:58 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QdNaW-00007F-1C for 7077@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jul 2011 10:23:56 -0400 Received: from rtcsinet22.oracle.com (rtcsinet22.oracle.com [66.248.204.30]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id p63ENlYo022304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 3 Jul 2011 14:23:49 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by rtcsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p63ENkMl007348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 3 Jul 2011 14:23:47 GMT Received: from abhmt119.oracle.com (abhmt119.oracle.com [141.146.116.71]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p63ENet2006636; Sun, 3 Jul 2011 09:23:40 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.33.69) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 03 Jul 2011 07:23:40 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen'" References: <7CDE0A71AE944FE0B0067BE2A24369EB@us.oracle.com><7E487051D23B4BCC9AC15FFF312E8788@us.oracle.com> Subject: RE: bug#7077: 24.0.50; mouse-drag-copy-region - name should say copy as kill Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 07:23:29 -0700 Message-ID: <4434940329224F40B50A57F7BD27E581@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acw5iehy977644pdSe+3nCNQN76zPwAAiu9w X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Source-IP: rtcsinet22.oracle.com [66.248.204.30] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090205.4E107B76.0006:SCFSTAT5015188, ss=1, re=-4.000, fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7077 Cc: 7077@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) > That's true, but I'm not sure that this consistency is worth renaming > user-visible customisation variables just to be that consistent. > > I was confused -- I thought `mouse-drag-copy-region' was a > function, but it's a variable, which makes renaming even more > of a problem, in my opinion. Option names are important, including for finding the options in the first place. We have a mechanism for renaming: create an alias and declare the old name deprecated/obsolete. Nothing new here. The old name will anyway live on for a while (past experience shows that it will be quite a while). But even just the existence of the alias (a better name) will mean that users will more easily find and recognize this option for what it is. That's regardless of the deprecation; the alias is the improvement. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jul 03 14:38:33 2011 Received: (at 7077) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jul 2011 18:38:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QdRYv-0002gs-9X for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jul 2011 14:38:33 -0400 Received: from vm-emlprdomr-05.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.146]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QdRYt-0002gJ-F7 for 7077@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jul 2011 14:38:32 -0400 Received: from furball ([64.134.100.161]) (authenticated bits=0) by vm-emlprdomr-05.its.yale.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p63IcNQR001784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Sun, 3 Jul 2011 14:38:25 -0400 From: Chong Yidong To: "Drew Adams" Subject: Re: bug#7077: 24.0.50; mouse-drag-copy-region - name should say copy as kill References: <7CDE0A71AE944FE0B0067BE2A24369EB@us.oracle.com> <7E487051D23B4BCC9AC15FFF312E8788@us.oracle.com> <4434940329224F40B50A57F7BD27E581@us.oracle.com> Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2011 14:38:22 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4434940329224F40B50A57F7BD27E581@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 3 Jul 2011 07:23:29 -0700") Message-ID: <8762njxl9d.fsf@stupidchicken.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on 130.132.50.146 X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7077 Cc: 7077@debbugs.gnu.org, 'Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen' X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) "Drew Adams" writes: > Option names are important, including for finding the options in the > first place. We have a mechanism for renaming: create an alias and > declare the old name deprecated/obsolete. Nothing new here. The improvement is too marginal to justify a rename + obsolete declaration. 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