From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:28:20 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#70358 <70358@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#70358 <70358@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: ERC not changing to buffers Reply-To: bug#70358 <70358@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2025 10:28:20 +0000 retitle 70358 ERC not changing to buffers reassign 70358 emacs submitter 70358 Rahul Martim Juliato severity 70358 normal thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Apr 12 21:32:01 2024 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Apr 2024 01:32:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59748 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rvSFM-0007EK-9B for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Apr 2024 21:32:01 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:470:142::17]:41028) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rvSFJ-0007Cj-9s for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Apr 2024 21:31:58 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rvSF3-0000vQ-Gj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Apr 2024 21:31:41 -0400 Received: from mail-pg1-x52d.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::52d]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rvSF1-0004WX-UI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Apr 2024 21:31:41 -0400 Received: by mail-pg1-x52d.google.com with SMTP id 41be03b00d2f7-5e4613f2b56so1110566a12.1 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2024 18:31:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1712971897; x=1713576697; darn=gnu.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:user-agent:message-id:date :subject:to:from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=M4vw/UWB+dpy6ef/8vwieXSWkzN4djDGQ1+ibIZEii0=; b=guAGt10GQpk2VANxMIBADmeFdPN0coSuzwlIrml4lFVbBd1M6JbR/RBA+8K9BSsd/7 zyrfULfK5i27rq85NTZx2hUcM8QoBY5VUyMi1r2vBq7olROdyAOjnyW5ccQ9oFYIpPIW KLOSSQOaMPyweHdtNbJuGVbmpYmryJO8OgjnaHbFDpCP8929SagQZZsPIJZvxGh2YB6B 3PtpTM7w1MX2ANeU1+A5bqPuadFCryA5tUfvAlcWDu9mqeWQfBd+bgms/b5pLxqLpKDk PBndRM6huKdVZ/WyP5M5MwTxipDHhQsM8LnfSW7XFdOBtFcW76SyQgem14Ra4BJHojcp C0/w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1712971897; x=1713576697; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:user-agent:message-id:date :subject:to:from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=M4vw/UWB+dpy6ef/8vwieXSWkzN4djDGQ1+ibIZEii0=; b=FYCKL9JZ9OnEQFXWvYp+nnsVlpPE2j06cidmmIjC1YpHu7Xu3rPPzT3eM7cjcOJ6xd Q2AhipOMNZDmbtj0wSIEpHNJlV4BOtQTvaLGYdP/E+AweBInly5+d9miTk8xXRJhMJo7 XyHw1AJ24XQXkgWmIP1iXdVIC0g1E1TLR+q030cs4vTzCeBKYQ9d9GNG2kDhes1G+Pt+ jz0X4ZhWou9J4y9Uki44QHoHbWZZyiBvg9WRVvdfxtcT4wRH+bZf8bKZ4tGPglM8JKik aSf9Cf+EZfPpKpVGJpC+FBTA2wldiKVvQyfVHNy89+mCJFfhHfT+osUr3lAIzxVMo9In LV3w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwzLGKYE1OI1zjo/w2fPCu3dOjubV0EMCt8oc+a6ZmGKwS1Mlyt 9a6fcjr45SMFuSI8G6L88XDtxaB1mSljw2kRlszeWoAWwRPMtTgT9A12Wg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGxlaj/+jjj2CFwlhsLhuEGRJ9ffKcI/nEpImyc5GcSezJR5sb163qfx/pDo4yvUqNiowLTfA== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6a20:3205:b0:1a3:bdd5:41f6 with SMTP id hl5-20020a056a20320500b001a3bdd541f6mr4210109pzc.61.1712971897318; Fri, 12 Apr 2024 18:31:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from debian ([2804:7f0:9182:59e:b8e5:f36f:2fc6:8a14]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id fq12-20020a056a0060cc00b006eacefd8fabsm3460857pfb.64.2024.04.12.18.31.34 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 12 Apr 2024 18:31:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Rahul Martim Juliato X-Google-Original-From: Rahul Martim Juliato To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: ERC not changing to buffers Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2024 22:31:30 -0300 Message-ID: <87y19inj4d.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::52d; envelope-from=rahuljuliato@gmail.com; helo=mail-pg1-x52d.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) Hello there! I am not completely sure this is a bug, but since some versions ago (I am on emacs 29.3 for Linux), ERC stopped (what I use to remember) a behaviour. If I call ERC with `M-x erc`, it connects, but keeps the buffer on the background, and I have to manually switch to it. The same with `/join #channel` and other commands. I find it confusing and non-intuitive, it makes the user believe something wrong happened. I come from the old school of iirc, Bitchx, mIrc, and so on. I can=C2=B4t remember ever seen such behaviour for issuing IRC commands (even on ERC). Is this a bug? A feature? Is there a custom variable to keep the old behaviour? Strangelly if someone `/query me` it pops up a buffer (for that I know there's a switch). So, two sides of the same coin I guess? If anyone could help me, I'd be more than happy. Thanks. 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To: Rahul Martim Juliato Subject: Re: bug#70358: ERC not changing to buffers In-Reply-To: <87y19inj4d.fsf@gmail.com> (Rahul Martim Juliato's message of "Fri, 12 Apr 2024 22:31:30 -0300") References: <87y19inj4d.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2024 19:54:44 -0700 Message-ID: <87mspy7z0r.fsf@neverwas.me> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Authenticated-Id: masked@neverwas.me X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 70358 Cc: emacs-erc@gnu.org, 70358@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Rahul, Rahul Martim Juliato writes: > Hello there! > > I am not completely sure this is a bug, but since some versions ago (I > am on emacs 29.3 for Linux), ERC stopped (what I use to remember) a > behaviour. Please see this post for context: https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D62833#14 > If I call ERC with `M-x erc`, it connects, but keeps the buffer on the > background, and I have to manually switch to it. > > The same with `/join #channel` and other commands. On HEAD, a new option, `erc-interactive-display', supersedes `erc-join-buffer' (now called `erc-buffer-display') in interactive situations, like /JOIN and M-x erc RET. Quoting from etc/ERC-NEWS: ** Revised buffer-display handling. A point of friction for new users and one only just introduced with ERC 5.5 has been the lack of visual feedback when first connecting via M-x erc or when issuing a "/JOIN" command at the prompt. As explained below, in the news for 5.5, the discovery of a security issue led to most new ERC buffers being "buried" on creation. On further reflection, this was judged to have been an overcorrection in the case of interactive invocations, hence the borrowing of an old option, 'erc-query-display', and the bestowing of a new alias, 'erc-interactive-display', which better describes its expanded role as a more general buffer-display knob for interactive commands ("/QUERY" still among them). > I find it confusing and non-intuitive, it makes the user believe > something wrong happened. I come from the old school of iirc, Bitchx, > mIrc, and so on. I can=C2=B4t remember ever seen such behaviour for issui= ng > IRC commands (even on ERC). > > Is this a bug? A feature? Is there a custom variable to keep the old > behaviour? On 5.5, you can customize `erc-join-buffer' to `buffer'. On 5.6, you'll be able to do the same with `erc-interactive-display', as mentioned. > Strangelly if someone `/query me` it pops up a buffer (for that I know > there's a switch). So, two sides of the same coin I guess? Right, that's controlled by the option `erc-auto-query', now called `erc-receive-query-display'. Quoting from etc/ERC-NEWS: Accompanying this addition are "display"-suffixed aliases for related options 'erc-join-buffer' and 'erc-auto-query', which users have reported as being difficult to discover and remember. When the latter option (now known as 'erc-receive-query-display') is nil, ERC uses 'erc-join-buffer' in its place, much like it does for 'erc-interactive-display'. The old nil behavior can still be gotten via the new compatibility flag 'erc-receive-query-display-defer'. The relatively new option 'erc-reconnect-display' has likewise been renamed, this time for clarity, to 'erc-auto-reconnect-display'. > If anyone could help me, I'd be more than happy. The next release of ERC should be out "soon" (though we've been saying that for months). If you're both super desperate and unwilling to customize options, there's always the devel package on GNU ELPA [1]. For non-bug related questions, there's ERC's own mailing list (Cc'd), as well as the #erc channel on Libera.Chat. Thanks, J.P. P.S. In the future, please consider filing bugs with M-x erc-bug RET or adding the Emacs or ERC version number to the subject line. 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To: 70358-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#70358: ERC not changing to buffers In-Reply-To: <87mspy7z0r.fsf@neverwas.me> (J. P.'s message of "Fri, 12 Apr 2024 19:54:44 -0700") References: <87y19inj4d.fsf@gmail.com> <87mspy7z0r.fsf@neverwas.me> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2024 15:37:49 -0700 Message-ID: <87o79z7lj6.fsf@neverwas.me> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Authenticated-Id: masked@neverwas.me X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 70358-done Cc: Rahul Martim Juliato , emacs-erc@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) The bug reporter has contacted me off-list and considers the issue resolved. Thanks and closing. 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