From unknown Sat Aug 09 15:56:36 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#7030 <7030@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#7030 <7030@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 24.0.50; ns menus are all blank Reply-To: bug#7030 <7030@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2025 22:56:36 +0000 retitle 7030 24.0.50; ns menus are all blank reassign 7030 emacs,ns submitter 7030 Derrell Piper severity 7030 normal thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 13 15:23:14 2010 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Sep 2010 19:23:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OvEcT-0006W7-GS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:23:13 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OvEcR-0006W2-RW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:23:13 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OvEeY-0007ev-Qq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:25:24 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:36117) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OvEeY-0007er-NH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:25:22 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=57775 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OvEeW-0004Cg-M7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:25:22 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OvEeU-0007eM-TT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:25:20 -0400 Received: from mail.yoyodyne.com ([204.87.183.39]:62212) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OvEeU-0007dy-0H for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:25:18 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.106] by Mail.Yoyodyne.COM via Internet ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 12:25:09 PDT From: Derrell Piper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: 24.0.50; ns menus are all blank Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 12:25:05 -0700 Message-Id: To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) [10.6.4, Xcode 3.2.4, MacOSX10.6.sdk] Somewhere along the line, the version of 23.1 I had built for Snow Leopard started showing me blank menus for everything. The menu items are present in the menu bar, but all blank. If you click enough on a menu item, you can usually get it to appear. Once it does appear, it stays for a while, but can go away later. So I upgraded to the current trunk from bazaar and the problem's still happening there too. Imperically, the following patch to nsmenu.m seems to fix this problem: =3D=3D=3D modified file 'src/nsmenu.m' --- src/nsmenu.m 2010-08-11 12:34:46 +0000 +++ src/nsmenu.m 2010-09-13 19:04:37 +0000 @@ -568,18 +568,14 @@ NSEvent *event; if (!FRAME_LIVE_P (frame)) return; + /* Don't try this if from an event picked up asynchronously, + as lots of lisp evaluation happens in ns_update_menubar. */ + if (handling_signal !=3D 0) + return; event =3D [[FRAME_NS_VIEW (frame) window] currentEvent]; - /* HACK: Cocoa/Carbon will request update on every keystroke - via IsMenuKeyEvent -> CheckMenusForKeyEvent. These are not needed - since key equivalents are handled through emacs. - On Leopard, even keystroke events generate SystemDefined events, = but - their subtype is 8. */ - if ([event type] !=3D NSSystemDefined || [event subtype] =3D=3D 8 - /* Also, don't try this if from an event picked up = asynchronously, - as lots of lisp evaluation happens in ns_update_menubar. */ - || handling_signal !=3D 0) - return; /*fprintf (stderr, "Updating menu '%s'\n", [[self title] UTF8String]); = NSLog (@"%@\n", event); */ + if ([event type] !=3D NSApplicationDefined) + return; ns_update_menubar (frame, 1, self); } ...however, I'm not familiar enough with this code (or with NSEvent) to be sure that this fix is the correct one. With this patch, the menus all function and nothing untoward is getting logged to /var/log/system. I have not tested this on prior versions of OS X, nor on GNUstep. In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.14 (x86_64-apple-darwin10.4.0, NS = apple-appkit-1038.32) of 2010-09-13 on fluffy.local Windowing system distributor `Apple', version 10.3.1038 configured using `configure '--with-ns'' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: ObjC/l Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t abbrev-mode: t Recent input: i s SPC a SPC v e r s i o n=20 SPC b u i l t SPC w i t h SPC =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 C-p=20 C-a C-o s-v C-a C-d [ C-e [=20 ] C-n C-n C-p C-f C-f C-f C-f=20 C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f=20 C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f=20 C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f C-f C-b C-b C-b C-b C-b=20 C-b C-b C-b C-b C-b C-b C-b C-b C-b C-b C-b C-b C-b=20 C-b C-b C-j C-j C-j C-j ESC q C-n C-e SPC SPC I t '=20 s SPC p r e s e n t SPC i n SPC t h e SPC a p p p =20 l i c a t i o n SPC m e n u S-SPC ( " E m a =20 b u=20 t SPC =20 a s SPC a SPC h e i r a r =20 =20 b u t SPC =20 , SPC=20 b u t SPC b l a n k . C-p C-n C-c C-c y C-p C-p C-p=20 C-n C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p=20 C-p C-p C-a C-SPC C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n=20 C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n =20 M-x r e p r o t =20 o r t Recent messages: Auto-saving...done Mark set No closing parenthesis found Auto-saving...done Send this bug report to the Emacs maintainers? y Sending... Sending via mail... Sending...done Unable to load color "dark cyan" Mark set Load-path shadows: ~/src/el/custom hides = /Users/ddp/src/trunk/nextstep/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/custom ~/src/el/xscheme hides = /Users/ddp/src/trunk/nextstep/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/progmodes/= xscheme = /Users/ddp/src/trunk/nextstep/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/progmodes/= cc-vars hides /Users/ddp/src/el/cc-mode-5.31.3/cc-vars = /Users/ddp/src/trunk/nextstep/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/progmodes/= cc-styles hides /Users/ddp/src/el/cc-mode-5.31.3/cc-styles = /Users/ddp/src/trunk/nextstep/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/progmodes/= cc-mode hides /Users/ddp/src/el/cc-mode-5.31.3/cc-mode = /Users/ddp/src/trunk/nextstep/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/progmodes/= cc-menus hides /Users/ddp/src/el/cc-mode-5.31.3/cc-menus = /Users/ddp/src/trunk/nextstep/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/progmodes/= cc-langs hides /Users/ddp/src/el/cc-mode-5.31.3/cc-langs = /Users/ddp/src/trunk/nextstep/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/progmodes/= cc-fonts hides /Users/ddp/src/el/cc-mode-5.31.3/cc-fonts = /Users/ddp/src/trunk/nextstep/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/progmodes/= cc-engine hides /Users/ddp/src/el/cc-mode-5.31.3/cc-engine = /Users/ddp/src/trunk/nextstep/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/progmodes/= cc-defs hides /Users/ddp/src/el/cc-mode-5.31.3/cc-defs = /Users/ddp/src/trunk/nextstep/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/progmodes/= cc-compat hides /Users/ddp/src/el/cc-mode-5.31.3/cc-compat = /Users/ddp/src/trunk/nextstep/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/progmodes/= cc-cmds hides /Users/ddp/src/el/cc-mode-5.31.3/cc-cmds = /Users/ddp/src/trunk/nextstep/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/progmodes/= cc-bytecomp hides /Users/ddp/src/el/cc-mode-5.31.3/cc-bytecomp = /Users/ddp/src/trunk/nextstep/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/progmodes/= cc-awk hides /Users/ddp/src/el/cc-mode-5.31.3/cc-awk = /Users/ddp/src/trunk/nextstep/Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/lisp/progmodes/= cc-align hides /Users/ddp/src/el/cc-mode-5.31.3/cc-align Features: (browse-url mailalias mailclient sendmail newcomment help-mode view shadow sort gnus-util mail-extr message rfc822 mml mml-sec mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mailabbrev mail-utils gmm-utils mailheader emacsbug vc-git ebuff-menu electric multi-isearch vc-bzr sha1 hex-util cc-mode cc-fonts cc-menus cc-cmds cc-styles cc-align cc-engine cc-vars cc-defs regexp-opt finder-inf package simple-wiki derived scheme-complete git-blame git log-edit easy-mmode ring pcvs-util ewoc add-log avoid server paren mic-paren cl cl-19 tooltip ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel ns-win easymenu tool-bar dnd fontset image fringe lisp-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mldrag mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev loaddefs button minibuffer faces cus-face files text-properties overlay md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process ns multi-tty emacs) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 13 15:32:21 2010 Received: (at 7030) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Sep 2010 19:32:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OvElJ-0006bC-4m for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:32:21 -0400 Received: from mail.yoyodyne.com ([204.87.183.39]) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OvElG-0006b3-Du for 7030@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 15:32:19 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.106] by Mail.Yoyodyne.COM via Internet ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 12:34:28 PDT From: Derrell Piper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: update Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 12:34:27 -0700 Message-Id: <478F42E7-3766-4876-9035-75C23B04C592@electric-loft.org> To: 7030@debbugs.gnu.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Spam-Score: -4.6 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7030 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) I take it back, I seem to be crashing randomly with that fix in place = (though the menus are now working reliably). Investigation continues.= From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 16 20:01:29 2011 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Nov 2011 01:01:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RQqM4-0003z4-3G for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 20:01:28 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10] ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RQqM1-0003yw-DU for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 20:01:26 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RQqLF-0001Ni-3n for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 20:00:37 -0500 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 20:00:37 -0500 Message-Id: Subject: control message for bug 9206 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.1) From: Glenn Morris X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) merge 7030 8249 9206 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 11 14:20:18 2011 Received: (at 7030) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Dec 2011 19:20:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RZowb-0001nB-HJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2011 14:20:18 -0500 Received: from mail.yoyodyne.com ([216.129.107.2]) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RZowY-0001n2-5F for 7030@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2011 14:20:15 -0500 Received: from [192.168.45.124] ([216.243.111.165]) by Mail.Yoyodyne.COM via Internet for <7030@debbugs.gnu.org> (and others); Sun, 11 Dec 2011 11:18:54 PST From: Derrell Piper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: bug#7030 Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 12:18:53 -0700 Message-Id: To: 7030@debbugs.gnu.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7030 Cc: Derrell Piper X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) More information... I ultimately gave up trying to debug this because = I've been living overseas and don't have sufficient bandwidth to = download XCode. This first came to light concurrent with upgrading to Snow Leopard = (10.6), which happened when I upgraded my MacBook Air hardware. This = didn't seem to happen prior to 10.6 and FWIW, I was a beta tester of = Adrian's nextstep branch prior to it getting checked into the GNU Emacs = trunk. I've lived with this problem for the last year and a half and finally = have a little while to debug it some more. First, I'm now on 10.7.2 on = a MacBook Air (late 2010) w/ 4G and 256G SSD. The problem is not = related to my .emacs initialization file or any per-user or per-system = customization, as far as I can determine from using DTrace 'opensnoop' = and nulling everything out. It does, however, seem to be related to my = personal OS X environment, somehow. I run a number of items at Login: Speach Events SpeachSynthesisServer Livescribe AutoLaunch Livescribe Connect AutoLaunch CoverSutra (2.2.2, pre-AppStore) = http://sophiestication.com/coversutra/ iTunes FFHelperApp (2.2) = http://kevingessner.com/software/functionflip/ Radium (2.8.3, pre-AppStore) = http://www.catpigstudios.com/ Observations: 1) if I create a new unprivileged test account and run Emacs out of = there, it works 2) if I remove FFHelperApp (FunctionFlip.prefPane) *and* Radium from my = Login items, it works 3) if I add Radium to the test account Login items, it works there 4) if I also add FunctionFlip.prefPane to the test account Login Items, = it works there 5) if I put either Radium or FunctionFlip.prefPane back on my account, = it fails when the Login Items fire; until then, it works 6) when it does fail, the Application and Help menus are always valid = (possibly because they're baked into main application NIB?) 7) this happens on 23.n as well as the latest 24 nightly -- 24.0.92.1 = (x86_64-apple-darwin, NS apple-appkit-1038.36) of 2011-12-02 on = bob.porkrind.org 8) it works under Aquamacs (which is based on the same nextstep code), = even with Radium and FunctionFlip present I have been running without Radium and FunctionFlip for the last 24 = hours or so and it has not failed since. Thoughts: I believe there was some controversy about inserting items into the OS X = menu bar, circa Leopard or so, but it's a hard to Google this because of = the noise using "crack" as a search term. I could believe that = FunctionFlip and Radium possibly share the same inherently buggy menu = cracker, which is perhaps triggering a bug in how the dynamic menu code = is functioning. It's almost like it's a caching problem when it's = happening because once you get the menu to drop, it's there for "a = while." In fact, if you keep flailing on a menu or two, even when = Radium comes up, the menus you're flailing on often stay valid, while = the others that you're ignoring go blank. Or perhaps, the nextstep code = simply has always had a day one bug that's just happening more often = since 10.6. A Google search for "emacs blank menus os x" shows that I'm = not alone in seeing this problem, see also 8249 & 9206. Wish I could be more help. I might try doing some forensic analysis on = Radium and FunctionFlip and see if I can find anything in common in = their binaries. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 18 09:53:34 2011 Received: (at 7030) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Dec 2011 14:53:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RcI7J-0006SP-Lf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 09:53:34 -0500 Received: from mailout.melmac.se ([62.20.26.67]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RcI7H-0006SG-O2 for 7030@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 09:53:32 -0500 Received: from mail01.melmac.se (mail01.melmac.se [62.20.26.80]) by mailout.melmac.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 220AE9894 for <7030@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 15:51:43 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 7209 invoked by uid 89); 18 Dec 2011 14:51:05 -0000 Received: from h-46-59-42-18.na.cust.bahnhof.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) (boel.djarv@bdtv.se@46.59.42.18) by mail01.melmac.se with ESMTPA; 18 Dec 2011 14:51:05 -0000 Received: from [172.20.199.13] (zeplin [172.20.199.13]) by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BA64B7FA058; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 15:51:42 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: bug#7030: more info Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jan_Dj=E4rv?= In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 15:51:42 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Derrell Piper X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7030 Cc: 7030@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) Hello. 11 dec 2011 kl. 20:18 skrev Derrell Piper: > 8) it works under Aquamacs (which is based on the same nextstep code), = even with Radium and FunctionFlip present >=20 I've included the relevant code from Aquamacs, please try it. Jan D. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 18 19:41:32 2011 Received: (at 7030) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Dec 2011 00:41:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RcRIK-0002uk-AJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 19:41:32 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RcRIG-0002uc-UQ for 7030@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 19:41:29 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RcRGT-0007Hq-PY; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 19:39:37 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: Jan =?utf-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= Subject: Re: bug#7030: more info References: X-Spook: class struggle Europol freedom eavesdropping quarter X-Ran: Z,)~KYK\*%}ywCJLsNp9A;{H"9BY47Gb=8`KDn^GcarA7eyHD:P/6L(,[|8Sw#}K X-Hue: black X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 19:39:37 -0500 In-Reply-To: ("Jan =?utf-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv=22's?= message of "Sun, 18 Dec 2011 15:51:42 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7030 Cc: 7030@debbugs.gnu.org, Derrell Piper X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) Jan Dj=C3=A4rv wrote: > I've included the relevant code from Aquamacs, please try it. Do we know who the author of that code is? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 19 01:37:30 2011 Received: (at 7030) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Dec 2011 06:37:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RcWqn-00036D-Px for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 01:37:30 -0500 Received: from mailout.melmac.se ([62.20.26.67]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RcWqk-000364-IO for 7030@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 01:37:28 -0500 Received: from mail01.melmac.se (mail01.melmac.se [62.20.26.80]) by mailout.melmac.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A820C8D4 for <7030@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 07:35:35 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 5787 invoked by uid 89); 19 Dec 2011 06:34:56 -0000 Received: from h-46-59-42-18.na.cust.bahnhof.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) (boel.djarv@bdtv.se@46.59.42.18) by mail01.melmac.se with ESMTPA; 19 Dec 2011 06:34:56 -0000 Received: from [172.20.199.13] (zeplin [172.20.199.13]) by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B17827FA058; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 07:35:34 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: bug#7030: more info Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jan_Dj=E4rv?= In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 07:35:35 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <75BFD05F-3EFB-4859-A17E-E1321140F9DE@swipnet.se> References: To: Glenn Morris X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7030 Cc: 7030@debbugs.gnu.org, Derrell Piper X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) 19 dec 2011 kl. 01:39 skrev Glenn Morris: > Jan Dj=E4rv wrote: >=20 >> I've included the relevant code from Aquamacs, please try it. >=20 > Do we know who the author of that code is? No, but the files I took it from says Copyright Free Software Foundation = so I assumed it was OK, maybe that was wrong. The snippets are so short = they should be considered tiny changes. Jan D. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 19 06:32:11 2011 Received: (at 7030) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Dec 2011 11:32:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RcbRy-0001CM-VB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 06:32:11 -0500 Received: from smtp-03.vtx.ch ([194.38.175.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RcbRr-0001C9-O8 for 7030@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 06:32:09 -0500 Received: from ceviche.home (dyn.144-85-186-064.dsl.vtx.ch [144.85.186.64]) by smtp-03.vtx.ch (VTX Services SA) with ESMTP id E57E0297611; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:30:10 +0100 (CET) Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id A73706612F; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 06:30:10 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Jan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dj=E4rv?= Subject: Re: bug#7030: more info Message-ID: References: <75BFD05F-3EFB-4859-A17E-E1321140F9DE@swipnet.se> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 06:30:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: <75BFD05F-3EFB-4859-A17E-E1321140F9DE@swipnet.se> ("Jan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dj=E4rv=22's?= message of "Mon, 19 Dec 2011 07:35:35 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7030 Cc: Glenn Morris , 7030@debbugs.gnu.org, Derrell Piper X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) >>> I've included the relevant code from Aquamacs, please try it. >> Do we know who the author of that code is? > No, but the files I took it from says Copyright Free Software Foundation so > I assumed it was OK, maybe that was wrong. The snippets are so short they > should be considered tiny changes. Could you please try and figure out who they come from? If they're "tiny changes" it's important to know who they come from, because tiny changes from the same author can accumulate to something non-tiny. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 19 11:35:46 2011 Received: (at 7030) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Dec 2011 16:35:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RcgBm-0000OI-34 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 11:35:46 -0500 Received: from mailout.melmac.se ([62.20.26.67]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RcgBj-0000O9-2h for 7030@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 11:35:44 -0500 Received: from mail01.melmac.se (mail01.melmac.se [62.20.26.80]) by mailout.melmac.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45D4792D5 for <7030@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 17:33:48 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 6873 invoked by uid 89); 19 Dec 2011 16:33:08 -0000 Received: from h-46-59-42-18.na.cust.bahnhof.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) (boel.djarv@bdtv.se@46.59.42.18) by mail01.melmac.se with ESMTPA; 19 Dec 2011 16:33:08 -0000 Received: from [172.20.199.13] (zeplin [172.20.199.13]) by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D38A77FA058; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 17:33:47 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: bug#7030: more info Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jan_Dj=E4rv?= In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 17:33:49 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <756EBA24-B23A-48A9-8704-CD41D538F23C@swipnet.se> References: <75BFD05F-3EFB-4859-A17E-E1321140F9DE@swipnet.se> To: Stefan Monnier X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7030 Cc: Glenn Morris , 7030@debbugs.gnu.org, Derrell Piper X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) 19 dec 2011 kl. 12:30 skrev Stefan Monnier: >>>> I've included the relevant code from Aquamacs, please try it. >>> Do we know who the author of that code is? >> No, but the files I took it from says Copyright Free Software = Foundation so >> I assumed it was OK, maybe that was wrong. The snippets are so short = they >> should be considered tiny changes. >=20 > Could you please try and figure out who they come from? If they're > "tiny changes" it's important to know who they come from, because tiny > changes from the same author can accumulate to something non-tiny. >=20 The git commit is done by David Reitter. He is in copyright.list for = Emacs. Jan D. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 19 14:40:49 2011 Received: (at 7030) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Dec 2011 19:40:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Rcj4q-0004uk-Hc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 14:40:48 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Rcj4l-0004ua-AP for 7030@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 14:40:45 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rcj2t-0004Vt-GF; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 14:38:47 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: Jan =?utf-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= Subject: Re: bug#7030: more info References: <75BFD05F-3EFB-4859-A17E-E1321140F9DE@swipnet.se> <756EBA24-B23A-48A9-8704-CD41D538F23C@swipnet.se> X-Spook: Chobetsu White Water $400 million in gold bullion X-Ran: |.Yl#]dJFgF8zqE5grOH=pnaQZG+e; ("Jan =?utf-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv=22's?= message of "Mon, 19 Dec 2011 17:33:49 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7030 Cc: David Reitter , 7030@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier , Derrell Piper X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) Jan Dj=C3=A4rv wrote: > 19 dec 2011 kl. 12:30 skrev Stefan Monnier: > >>>>> I've included the relevant code from Aquamacs, please try it. >>>> Do we know who the author of that code is? >>> No, but the files I took it from says Copyright Free Software Foundatio= n so >>> I assumed it was OK, maybe that was wrong. The snippets are so short t= hey >>> should be considered tiny changes. >>=20 >> Could you please try and figure out who they come from? If they're >> "tiny changes" it's important to know who they come from, because tiny >> changes from the same author can accumulate to something non-tiny. > > The git commit is done by David Reitter. He is in copyright.list for Ema= cs. People who do the commits aren't always the author of the code. I'm cc'ing David so he can confirm. Could you adjust the ChangeLog entry so that the relevant pieces are in his (or whoever's) name? Thanks, and sorry for the extra bother. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 19 18:52:45 2011 Received: (at 7030) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Dec 2011 23:52:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Rcn0e-00038W-ET for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 18:52:45 -0500 Received: from smtp.andrew.cmu.edu ([128.2.11.95]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Rcn0c-00038O-3v for 7030@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 18:52:42 -0500 Received: from elin.speedport_w_723v_typ_a (pD9FF7682.dip.t-dialin.net [217.255.118.130]) (user=reitter mech=PLAIN (0 bits)) by smtp.andrew.cmu.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pBJNoiJD019650 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 19 Dec 2011 18:50:45 -0500 Subject: Re: bug#7030: more info Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: David Reitter In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 00:50:43 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <19DC82C8-DAA1-4FF3-959D-DA1EFB7293CE@cmu.edu> References: <75BFD05F-3EFB-4859-A17E-E1321140F9DE@swipnet.se> <756EBA24-B23A-48A9-8704-CD41D538F23C@swipnet.se> To: Glenn Morris X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-PMX-Version: 5.5.9.388399, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2011.5.19.222118 X-SMTP-Spam-Clean: 8% ( SUPERLONG_LINE 0.05, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_1000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_600_699 0, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS 0, FROM_EDU_TLD 0, NO_URI_FOUND 0, RDNS_DYNAMIC 0, RDNS_SUSP 0, RDNS_SUSP_SPECIFIC 0, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ 0, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __MSGID_APPLEMAIL 0, __PHISH_SPEAR_STRUCTURE_1 0, __RDNS_DYNAMIC_1 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __TO_MALFORMED_2 0) X-SMTP-Spam-Score: 8% X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.60 on 128.2.11.95 X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7030 Cc: 7030@debbugs.gnu.org, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jan_Dj=E4rv?= , Stefan Monnier , Derrell Piper X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) On Dec 19, 2011, at 8:38 PM, Glenn Morris wrote: >>=20 >> The git commit is done by David Reitter. He is in copyright.list for = Emacs. >=20 > People who do the commits aren't always the author of the code. > I'm cc'ing David so he can confirm. > Could you adjust the ChangeLog entry so that the relevant pieces are = in > his (or whoever's) name? > Thanks, and sorry for the extra bother. Yep - though generally, just because someone commits to Emacs doesn't = mean they sign over all Emacs code they write (elsewhere) to the FSF, as = far as I remember. In this case however this is perfectly fine. By the way, it's "Aquamacs", not "AquaEmacs". - David= From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 20 01:51:10 2011 Received: (at 7030) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Dec 2011 06:51:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RctXa-00045D-3R for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2011 01:51:10 -0500 Received: from mailout.melmac.se ([62.20.26.67]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RctXX-000455-QJ for 7030@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2011 01:51:09 -0500 Received: from mail01.melmac.se (mail01.melmac.se [62.20.26.80]) by mailout.melmac.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED83E9619 for <7030@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 20 Dec 2011 07:49:09 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 11742 invoked by uid 89); 20 Dec 2011 06:48:29 -0000 Received: from h-46-59-42-18.na.cust.bahnhof.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) (boel.djarv@bdtv.se@46.59.42.18) by mail01.melmac.se with ESMTPA; 20 Dec 2011 06:48:29 -0000 Received: from [10.225.16.5] (unknown [193.45.43.33]) by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 078157FA058; Tue, 20 Dec 2011 07:49:08 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4EF02FE3.5020505@swipnet.se> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 07:49:07 +0100 From: "Jan D." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Reitter Subject: Re: bug#7030: more info References: <75BFD05F-3EFB-4859-A17E-E1321140F9DE@swipnet.se> <756EBA24-B23A-48A9-8704-CD41D538F23C@swipnet.se> <19DC82C8-DAA1-4FF3-959D-DA1EFB7293CE@cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <19DC82C8-DAA1-4FF3-959D-DA1EFB7293CE@cmu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7030 Cc: Glenn Morris , 7030@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier , Derrell Piper X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) Hello. David Reitter skrev 2011-12-20 00:50: > On Dec 19, 2011, at 8:38 PM, Glenn Morris wrote: >>> >>> The git commit is done by David Reitter. He is in copyright.list >>> for Emacs. >> >> People who do the commits aren't always the author of the code. I'm >> cc'ing David so he can confirm. Could you adjust the ChangeLog >> entry so that the relevant pieces are in his (or whoever's) name? >> Thanks, and sorry for the extra bother. > > Yep - though generally, just because someone commits to Emacs doesn't > mean they sign over all Emacs code they write (elsewhere) to the FSF, > as far as I remember. In this case however this is perfectly fine. I'm not a copyrights expert, but if some parts aren't assigned to FSF, should not the files (nsmenu.m, nsterm.m in this case) have another Copyright statement besides the one for FSF? > > By the way, it's "Aquamacs", not "AquaEmacs". > I fixed it in the next commit, sorry for that. Jan D. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 20 02:52:22 2011 Received: (at 7030) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Dec 2011 07:52:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RcuUn-0005R3-CL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2011 02:52:21 -0500 Received: from smtp.andrew.cmu.edu ([128.2.11.96]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RcuUk-0005Qs-1n for 7030@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2011 02:52:18 -0500 Received: from elin.speedport_w_723v_typ_a (pD9FF7682.dip.t-dialin.net [217.255.118.130]) (user=reitter mech=PLAIN (0 bits)) by smtp.andrew.cmu.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pBK7oGZ7015894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 20 Dec 2011 02:50:18 -0500 Subject: Re: bug#7030: more info Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: David Reitter In-Reply-To: <4EF02FE3.5020505@swipnet.se> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 08:50:14 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <75BFD05F-3EFB-4859-A17E-E1321140F9DE@swipnet.se> <756EBA24-B23A-48A9-8704-CD41D538F23C@swipnet.se> <19DC82C8-DAA1-4FF3-959D-DA1EFB7293CE@cmu.edu> <4EF02FE3.5020505@swipnet.se> To: "Jan D." X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-PMX-Version: 5.5.9.388399, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.4.9.4220 X-SMTP-Spam-Clean: 8% ( BODY_SIZE_1000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_300_399 0, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS 0, FROM_EDU_TLD 0, RDNS_DYNAMIC 0, RDNS_SUSP 0, RDNS_SUSP_SPECIFIC 0, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ 0, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __MSGID_APPLEMAIL 0, __PHISH_SPEAR_STRUCTURE_1 0, __RDNS_DYNAMIC_1 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __TO_MALFORMED_2 0) X-SMTP-Spam-Score: 8% X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.60 on 128.2.11.96 X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7030 Cc: Glenn Morris , 7030@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier , Derrell Piper X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) On Dec 20, 2011, at 7:49 AM, Jan D. wrote: >=20 > I'm not a copyrights expert, but if some parts aren't assigned to FSF, = should not the files (nsmenu.m, nsterm.m in this case) have another = Copyright statement besides the one for FSF? It may make sense, though I think that one can hold copyright without = asserting it explicitly. I think that may depend on jurisdiction.=20= From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 20 18:41:34 2011 Received: (at 7030) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Dec 2011 23:41:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Rd9JN-0002X7-NM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2011 18:41:33 -0500 Received: from mail.yoyodyne.com ([216.129.107.2]) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Rd9JJ-0002Wz-TM for 7030@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Dec 2011 18:41:30 -0500 Received: from [192.168.45.124] ([216.243.111.165]) by Mail.Yoyodyne.COM via Internet for <7030@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 20 Dec 2011 15:39:27 PST From: Derrell Piper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: seems fixed in trunk Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 16:39:27 -0700 Message-Id: To: 7030@debbugs.gnu.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7030 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) I pulled the trunk and rebuilt the world from scratch and with the = latest changes, the problem no longer occurs. It's fixed as far as I = can tell. Derrell= From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 21 01:32:38 2011 Received: (at 7030-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Dec 2011 06:32:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RdFjB-00047d-Sa for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 01:32:38 -0500 Received: from mailout.melmac.se ([62.20.26.67]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RdFj6-00047R-PT for 7030-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 01:32:34 -0500 Received: from mail01.melmac.se (mail01.melmac.se [62.20.26.80]) by mailout.melmac.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 044BE9AC5 for <7030-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 07:30:29 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 9570 invoked by uid 89); 21 Dec 2011 06:29:47 -0000 Received: from h-46-59-42-18.na.cust.bahnhof.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) (boel.djarv@bdtv.se@46.59.42.18) by mail01.melmac.se with ESMTPA; 21 Dec 2011 06:29:47 -0000 Received: from [172.20.199.13] (zeplin [172.20.199.13]) by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7E8807FA058; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 07:30:28 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: bug#7030: seems fixed in trunk Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jan_Dj=E4rv?= In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 07:30:29 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0F852419-8547-4303-BB7C-2C8DFFF81AC4@swipnet.se> References: To: Derrell Piper X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7030-done Cc: 7030-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) Hello. 21 dec 2011 kl. 00:39 skrev Derrell Piper: > I pulled the trunk and rebuilt the world from scratch and with the = latest changes, the problem no longer occurs. It's fixed as far as I = can tell. Ok, closing this report. Thanks for testing. Jan D. From unknown Sat Aug 09 15:56:36 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 12:24:03 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator