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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2024 18:27:41 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: 30.0.50; Build scripts break due to DOS-style line endings To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::b32; envelope-from=divvycr@gmail.com; helo=mail-yb1-xb32.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 06 Mar 2024 13:41:22 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Currently, cloning the latest Emacs branches (namely, master and emacs-29) fails to build via `./autogen.sh` with the following error: zsh: ./autogen.sh: bad interpreter: /bin/sh^M: no such file or directory Using Vim's `:set fileformat=unix` on autogen.sh, it still fails to build with the following errors: Checking whether you have the necessary tools... (Read INSTALL.REPO for more details on building Emacs) Checking for autoconf (need at least version 2.65) ... ok Your system has the required tools. Building aclocal.m4 ... Running 'autoreconf -fi -I m4' ... : not found sh: 2: Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting "do") configure.ac:7373: error: expected source file, required through AC_LIBSOURCES, not found ./lib/autoconf/general.m4:2437: AC_FATAL is expanded from... m4/gnulib-comp.m4:222: gl_INIT is expanded from... configure.ac:7373: the top level autom4te: error: /usr/bin/m4 failed with exit status: 1 autoreconf: error: /usr/bin/autoconf failed with exit status: 1 Now, the line ': not found' again hints at problems with DOS-vs-Unix style formatting. I have managed to successfully build latest Emacs after running the following on the repository: git ls-files -z | xargs -0 dos2unix git ls-files -z '*.bat' | xargs -0 unix2dos Is this a bug in Emacs' build scripts, autoreconf, or just an inconvenience of using the latest builds? Notably, my previous Emacs 30.0.50 build from December 2023 did not have these issues. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Mar 06 14:36:58 2024 Received: (at 69590) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Mar 2024 19:36:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51481 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rhx4Q-00080O-SN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Mar 2024 14:36:58 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36240) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rhx4M-000804-2G; Wed, 06 Mar 2024 14:36:53 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rhx3l-00057I-FZ; Wed, 06 Mar 2024 14:36:13 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=pYuvie3JipPC6WiUoNcrgviQA/Z2omznGvu3z+3ujqU=; b=NeH4vPPB4CC3 ZOb2H6YLrli9M02TYrrTQDzq1yPQNaNwMniBixAbZzc3DikcycSaXZ6TWLjl5QRtvT6rb7E7kbHB8 hMBMJNEqZ9C+qr2o9Xr7sq8g2aLLFnb9EtXGi1vAb2VHH7zN03bnAH1jMykeSheiYSbfk8FdyevaF 1D/aIgsDFjjH70yI7IqPXFIGgNIRX5Mqj2XmHd8Vo2S23xMmgJ8sG+SEdf85LiKUEIhI4OXt2srVn VQu+VeKG/2H7YZxRQNbD9kGRrvYYagEiBVBHjIDOTdwMbypYE8aLxK9Rr+/dP9wxRkDquXnUKaABb Y3iqMICOophyRHnytBmeAQ==; Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2024 21:36:05 +0200 Message-Id: <86ttljjgpm.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: "Divvy Cr." In-Reply-To: (divvycr@gmail.com) Subject: Re: bug#69590: 30.0.50; Build scripts break due to DOS-style line endings References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 69590 Cc: 69590@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) tags 69590 notabug thanks > From: "Divvy Cr." > Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2024 18:27:41 +0000 > > Currently, cloning the latest Emacs branches (namely, master and > emacs-29) fails to build via `./autogen.sh` with the following error: > > zsh: ./autogen.sh: bad interpreter: /bin/sh^M: no such file or directory > > Using Vim's `:set fileformat=unix` on autogen.sh, it still fails to > build with the following errors: > > Checking whether you have the necessary tools... > (Read INSTALL.REPO for more details on building Emacs) > Checking for autoconf (need at least version 2.65) ... ok > Your system has the required tools. > Building aclocal.m4 ... > Running 'autoreconf -fi -I m4' ... > : not found > sh: 2: Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting "do") > configure.ac:7373: error: expected source file, required through > AC_LIBSOURCES, not found > ./lib/autoconf/general.m4:2437: AC_FATAL is expanded from... > m4/gnulib-comp.m4:222: gl_INIT is expanded from... > configure.ac:7373: the top level > autom4te: error: /usr/bin/m4 failed with exit status: 1 > autoreconf: error: /usr/bin/autoconf failed with exit status: 1 > > Now, the line ': not found' again hints at problems with DOS-vs-Unix > style formatting. I have managed to successfully build latest Emacs > after running the following on the repository: > > git ls-files -z | xargs -0 dos2unix > git ls-files -z '*.bat' | xargs -0 unix2dos This "cure" is not recommended: no one can guarantee that no files in the Emacs repository except *.bat should have DOS EOL format. IOW, the above might be a lossy conversion, and could silently corrupt some files. Don't do that. > Is this a bug in Emacs' build scripts, autoreconf, or just an > inconvenience of using the latest builds? Notably, my previous Emacs > 30.0.50 build from December 2023 did not have these issues. This is likely due to how you configured Git on your Windows system. It should be configured not to perform any conversions of the end-of-line format, neither when checking out files nor when checking them in. This can be either determined when you install Git for Windows (the installation program asks you about that), or it can be set up later with the following Git command git config --global core.autocrlf false Since you already have this problem, the best alternative for you is delete the entire Emacs repository, then run the above command, and then clone the repository anew, which will now be free from this breakage. (I don't know why it worked for you previously. Maybe you migrated to another machine and installed Git anew, or maybe you upgraded Git and the upgrade somehow changed this setting. Or something else to that effect.) This is not a bug in Emacs. 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In-Reply-To: (divvycr@gmail.com) Subject: Re: bug#69590: 30.0.50; Build scripts break due to DOS-style line endings References: <86ttljjgpm.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 69590 Cc: 69590@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [Please use Reply All to reply to keep the bug tracker CC'ed.] > From: "Divvy Cr." > Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2024 20:25:09 +0000 > > Hmmm, I'm running Emacs on WSL2, and this is the first and only time I've had this issue, which is what baffled > me. > > Sorry for the confusion, and thanks for the reply! You are building a GNU/Linux build of Emacs on WSL2? To update the repository from upstream, are you running Git on Windows or on GNU/Linux? 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X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: > [Please use Reply All to reply to keep the bug tracker CC'ed.] > >> From: "Divvy Cr." >> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2024 20:25:09 +0000 >> >> Hmmm, I'm running Emacs on WSL2, and this is the first and only time I've had this issue, which is what baffled >> me. >> >> Sorry for the confusion, and thanks for the reply! > > You are building a GNU/Linux build of Emacs on WSL2? To update the > repository from upstream, are you running Git on Windows or on > GNU/Linux? More information was requested, but none was given within 6 months, so I'm closing this bug. If this is still an issue, please reply to this email (use "Reply to all" in your email client) and we can reopen the bug report. 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