From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Aug 27 18:50:17 2010 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Aug 2010 22:50:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Op7kW-00026x-Gf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 18:50:16 -0400 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Op7kU-00026r-4G for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 18:50:14 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:53788) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Op7lu-0004iB-OU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 18:51:42 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=60649 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Op7lp-0005Qk-KG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 18:51:42 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Op7lk-0005ap-1K for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 18:51:37 -0400 Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]:19354) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Op7lj-0005aY-QN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 18:51:31 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id o7RMpTMT014712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 22:51:30 GMT Received: from acsmt353.oracle.com (acsmt353.oracle.com [141.146.40.153]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o7RM2tSi003132 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 22:51:29 GMT Received: from abhmt002.oracle.com by acsmt355.oracle.com with ESMTP id 556069391282949430; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:50:30 -0700 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.220.83) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:50:30 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 24.0.50; fringe-mode Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:50:32 -0700 Message-ID: <1222E80F95BD4AF9835A8848BC30F17D@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: ActGOkDazta5TL0UTUy2cws73Jj8Eg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) Command `fringe-mode' is not normal. It does not act as a normal mode command. And its variable, `fringe-mode', does not act as a normal mode variable. This is not good for users or for Lisp coders. If you are going to keep this behavior, then do not use "-mode" in the name at all - call it `fringe-mess' or something instead. Code that tests a mode variable should be able to treat a value of nil as meaning that the mode is turned off. In this case, that would mean there is no fringe. Not so, however. If you want the value of variable `fringe-mode' to provide the fringe width also, then 0 and nil should give the same info: fringe is not shown. If you want a special value that means "the default width", then use the symbol `default' or something - do not use nil to mean a default width of 8. This command and its variable are a mess. In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2010-08-16 on 3249CTO Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (4.4) --no-opt --cflags -Ic:/imagesupport/include' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Apr 27 18:48:31 2016 Received: (at 6931) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Apr 2016 22:48:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50904 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avYFz-0000N9-NY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 18:48:31 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:51647) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avYFy-0000N2-GX for 6931@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Apr 2016 18:48:30 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avYFw-0004qy-15; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 00:48:29 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: "Drew Adams" Subject: Re: bug#6931: 24.0.50; fringe-mode References: <1222E80F95BD4AF9835A8848BC30F17D@us.oracle.com> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 00:48:27 +0200 In-Reply-To: <1222E80F95BD4AF9835A8848BC30F17D@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:50:32 -0700") Message-ID: <87lh3yr7lw.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 6931 Cc: 6931@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) "Drew Adams" writes: > Command `fringe-mode' is not normal. It does not act as a normal mode > command. And its variable, `fringe-mode', does not act as a normal mode > variable. This is not good for users or for Lisp coders. If you are > going to keep this behavior, then do not use "-mode" in the name at all > - call it `fringe-mess' or something instead. > > Code that tests a mode variable should be able to treat a value of nil > as meaning that the mode is turned off. In this case, that would mean > there is no fringe. Not so, however. > > If you want the value of variable `fringe-mode' to provide the fringe > width also, then 0 and nil should give the same info: fringe is not > shown. If you want a special value that means "the default width", then > use the symbol `default' or something - do not use nil to mean a default > width of 8. > > This command and its variable are a mess. Yes, it's pretty confusing. Perhaps the `fringe-mode' command should be renamed to `choose-fringe-state' or something? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jun 03 04:21:04 2021 Received: (at 6931) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jun 2021 08:21:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42154 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1loibA-0000v3-HG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Jun 2021 04:21:04 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:39884) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1loib9-0000uE-B4 for 6931@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Jun 2021 04:21:03 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=FJge/osGP63OuCSz+o5uvtcv8POogTSNWdggfcNRuTQ=; b=tUBSp/d2Fi1eO9AZ5OmR2VZ/DS /2aq6TKB+fjYOY0zlXK8ofOQxpMf3w0sWVpHGHsu6T8Wua0voS6of9ukYBTWcpn/NwwGgLpmDPD8I WsBEfxs9rbM7Anr3+xCRH/oqthbhLxX54X5njrjIxs+ndZVGFUZsX2+xSQQi11V+9aGc=; Received: from cm-84.212.220.105.getinternet.no ([84.212.220.105] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1loib0-0008EG-EG; Thu, 03 Jun 2021 10:20:56 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: "Drew Adams" Subject: Re: bug#6931: 24.0.50; fringe-mode References: <1222E80F95BD4AF9835A8848BC30F17D@us.oracle.com> <87lh3yr7lw.fsf@gnus.org> X-Now-Playing: Little Simz's _Grey Area_: "Offence" Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2021 10:20:52 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87lh3yr7lw.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Thu, 28 Apr 2016 00:48:27 +0200") Message-ID: <87wnrb8il7.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Yes, it's pretty confusing. Perhaps the `fringe-mode' command should be > renamed to `choose-fringe-state' or something? I think that would have been preferable, but since this is both a user option and a command, renaming them will be prohibitively expensive (i.e., it'll affect a lot of users, since presumably many of [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 6931 Cc: 6931@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Yes, it's pretty confusing. Perhaps the `fringe-mode' command should be > renamed to `choose-fringe-state' or something? I think that would have been preferable, but since this is both a user option and a command, renaming them will be prohibitively expensive (i.e., it'll affect a lot of users, since presumably many of them will have `fringe-mode' settings in their .emacs files). 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