From unknown Sat Sep 13 17:04:04 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#6909 <6909@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#6909 <6909@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: transient-mark-mode Reply-To: bug#6909 <6909@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2025 00:04:04 +0000 retitle 6909 transient-mark-mode reassign 6909 emacs submitter 6909 Marco Bisetto severity 6909 wishlist tag 6909 wontfix thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 25 09:17:15 2010 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Aug 2010 13:17:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OoFqs-0007t4-7o for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 09:17:15 -0400 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166] helo=mx10.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OoFXw-0007jI-A1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 08:57:41 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:54670) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OoFZH-0003QU-5Z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 08:59:03 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=48004 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OoFZF-0005Y8-JT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 08:59:02 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OoFZE-00019q-ER for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 08:59:01 -0400 Received: from smtplq-out19.aruba.it ([62.149.158.39]:35235 helo=smtplq01.aruba.it) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OoFZD-00019J-Mq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 08:59:00 -0400 Received: (qmail 2085 invoked by uid 89); 25 Aug 2010 12:58:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp3.aruba.it) (62.149.128.201) by smtplq01.aruba.it with SMTP; 25 Aug 2010 12:58:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 14313 invoked by uid 89); 25 Aug 2010 12:58:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pyxis.rete) (root@folgorante.net@87.5.230.43) by smtp3.ad.aruba.it with SMTP; 25 Aug 2010 12:58:54 -0000 Received: from nekkar.rete ([192.168.71.71]) by pyxis.rete with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1OoFZ9-0006iN-4U for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 12:58:55 +0000 Received: from biso by nekkar.rete with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OoFZ7-0001KG-Rk; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 12:58:53 +0000 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 12:58:53 +0000 From: Marco Bisetto To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Bcc: biso@localhost Subject: transient-mark-mode Message-ID: <20100825125853.GA5073@nekkar.rete> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 09:17:12 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) Hi all, This is not a bug, it's a wrong feature: - transient-mark-mode on by default is a bad idea - transient-mark-mode is a bad idea per se: you must press more keys and waste energy for no reason - Active Region Highlighting is nonsense if you use rectangles such as in C-x r t - Active Region Highlighting is a pain if you change your mind and no more want to act on the region you just marked * transient-mark-mode off by default is a possible workaround to this bad situation where everybody must set it to nil in the configuration file Bye. -- Marco Bisetto A few releases ago theese three lines weren't necessary in .emacs.el: (global-set-key [home] 'beginning-of-buffer) (global-set-key [end] 'end-of-buffer) (setq transient-mark-mode nil) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 25 13:57:34 2010 Received: (at 6909) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Aug 2010 17:57:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OoKEA-0001TK-EV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 13:57:34 -0400 Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1] helo=mail.muc.de) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OoKE4-0001TF-2g for 6909@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 13:57:32 -0400 Received: (qmail 50958 invoked by uid 3782); 25 Aug 2010 17:58:49 -0000 Received: from acm.muc.de (pD9E51AC2.dip.t-dialin.net [217.229.26.194]) by colin2.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 19:58:47 +0200 Received: (qmail 3454 invoked by uid 1000); 25 Aug 2010 18:10:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:10:36 +0000 To: Marco Bisetto Subject: Re: bug#6909: transient-mark-mode Message-ID: <20100825181035.GA3203@muc.de> References: <20100825125853.GA5073@nekkar.rete> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20100825125853.GA5073@nekkar.rete> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.5 (Fettercairn) From: Alan Mackenzie X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 6909 Cc: 6909@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) Hi, Marco On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:58:53PM +0000, Marco Bisetto wrote: > Hi all, > This is not a bug, it's a wrong feature: Agreed > - transient-mark-mode on by default is a bad idea Agreed emphatically. > - transient-mark-mode is a bad idea per se: you must press more keys and > waste energy for no reason Yes, indeed. > - Active Region Highlighting is nonsense if you use rectangles such as in > C-x r t Wouldn't know, since I've never used "Active Region Highlighting". > - Active Region Highlighting is a pain if you change your mind and no more > want to act on the region you just marked I'm sure you're right. > * transient-mark-mode off by default is a possible workaround to this bad > situation where everybody must set it to nil in the configuration file Be thankful that there _is_ a workaround. > Bye. There's a history here. About 2 or 3 years ago, there was long, acrimonious, and bitter (don't slag me off for tautology :-) debate on the Emacs developers' mailing list about making transient-mark-mode enabled by default. Every point you've raised (and quite a lot you haven't) was fiercely fought over. In the end, the maintainers of Emacs decided to leave the misfeature in. Apparently, there are quite a lot of people who actually like t-m-m; I can't imagine why. I predict that, rather sadly, your bug report will be shoved to one side and not acted upon. Nobody, not even me, wants to reopen the matter for more argument. Thanks indeed, though, for taking the trouble to submit this bug report. > -- > Marco Bisetto -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 25 19:01:12 2010 Received: (at 6909) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Aug 2010 23:01:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OoOy0-0003iD-4W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 19:01:12 -0400 Received: from mail-wy0-f172.google.com ([74.125.82.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OoOof-0003dK-Vi for 6909@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:51:34 -0400 Received: by wyi11 with SMTP id 11so1238099wyi.3 for <6909@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 15:52:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:received:from:to:cc :subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type; bh=X6evDOdsY2v6AzaLeQxvBOn4kYMrtNMKtisWxtL7Nmw=; b=J+IncP7NAX+CX7KHNraGwphO6wG61H//fhOhHhIEAJBm/6ZCs8U5EhFnLHdhSj2ws3 a0dVEiZI2iwAIVgn7ybtC4HoOpHArjQwriXZiImy9MeqYAnH+kDiRhGP4+4A1i0ntXYW yVy2FJRrqoI2Csh2Mb6Hr00S1ucxxsNLrvojM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type; b=q7K1szhdsx8FAEc1biQtRkAnMQD4CL964ZSabfrl3JF1sQ11ooNe2Driy0HuSVcP5c ZK3F7xt1AQgHNI0s6gMHiIudUo+bF/WeFuEjRBankU1+axfrlDAAIhB8H6FwTyIsviPe WddXfVH8qfyyB457A8cvoBEOZDToRSVLcpjI0= Received: by 10.216.13.17 with SMTP id a17mr106706wea.46.1282776777003; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 15:52:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from myhost.localdomain ([78.192.119.5]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v44sm1247491weq.4.2010.08.25.15.52.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 25 Aug 2010 15:52:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by myhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C628A4B6B8; Thu, 26 Aug 2010 00:52:55 +0200 (CEST) From: Bastien To: Alan Mackenzie Subject: Re: bug#6909: transient-mark-mode In-Reply-To: <20100825181035.GA3203@muc.de> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:10:36 +0000") References: <20100825125853.GA5073@nekkar.rete> <20100825181035.GA3203@muc.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 00:52:55 +0200 Message-ID: <87k4neuwxk.fsf@altern.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 6909 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 19:01:11 -0400 Cc: Marco Bisetto , 6909@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Alan Mackenzie writes: > I predict that, rather sadly, your bug report will be shoved to one side > and not acted upon. Nobody, not even me, wants to reopen the matter for > more argument. I guess it's never too late to make a poll and see whether most emacs users are using the default or changing it. -- Bastien From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 09 14:56:14 2011 Received: (at 6909-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jul 2011 18:56:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QfchK-00019E-6g for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 14:56:14 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QfchI-000191-J1 for 6909-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 14:56:12 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55019) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QfchD-00076T-9j; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 14:56:07 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: 6909-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#6909: transient-mark-mode References: <20100825125853.GA5073@nekkar.rete> <20100825181035.GA3203@muc.de> <87k4neuwxk.fsf@altern.org> X-Spook: industrial intelligence Nazi Pine Gap bemd threat X-Ran: ReVnVfJI9d_"]N\E&-5V]2`Z|?O)nA@Evcmo?S=+S( X-Hue: red X-Attribution: GM Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2011 14:56:06 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87k4neuwxk.fsf@altern.org> (Bastien's message of "Thu, 26 Aug 2010 00:52:55 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 6909-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) I don't see a point to keeping this particular report open. 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