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Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2024 13:35:28 +0100 In-reply-to: <89482184-13a0-4ec7-9908-8b0c01c59107@web.de> Message-ID: <87eddrdr6f.fsf@cbaines.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 68922-done Cc: 68922-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Jonathan Brielmaier via Guix-patches via writes: > This is a follow-up to https://issues.guix.gnu.org/68876, as the patch > was forgotten there and never applied to the maintenance repo... I've pushed this now as 71f1d88282fb1c638a25937de5d640da0a6dc8ed. 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