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X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) tags 68900 notabug thanks > Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2024 16:47:57 -0600 > From: Jaft > > This is where the inconsistent behavior is: if we M-: (forward-line -1) > or M-: (previous-line) and, then, M-: (point), we'll get what (I would > think) we'd expect: point 72, the point of the beginning of the second > line. > > BUT, if we do the above via key-binding ¡V i.e. if, from point 145, we > press C-p to get to the line above ¡V and, then, run M-: (point), we > get back the number 1. This is the point-adjustment feature in action: it moves point out of the invisible text in the direction of the last movement. If you want to disable it, set global-disable-point-adjustment to a non-nil value; if you want to disable that temporarily in a Lisp program, set disable-point-adjustment non-nil before invoking some cursor-movement command. In your recipe, if you set global-disable-point-adjustment non-nil, the behavior of previous-line, whether via M-: or C-p, will be consistent: it will end at position 72. This is not a bug, but the intended behavior. Read all about it in the "Adjusting Point" section of the ELisp manual. Admittedly, this feature can sometimes cause surprising behavior. 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X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 68900 Cc: "68900@debbugs.gnu.org" <68900@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Jaft Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) ------=_Part_4850342_1829813598.1706999005121 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ahhh; you know, I was looking at=C2=A0Invisible Text (GNU Emacs Lisp Refer= ence Manual)=C2=A0but missed the end where it talks about Adjusting Point. = While I'd been wondering if "relocat[ing] point to the other side of the te= xt" might be affecting this, I don't think I'd grasped that it'd be after t= he command runs, either. Thanks so much for clarifying it (and pointing out where to look, in the do= cumentation). Do I need to close this, in any way, or was you tagging it as= "notabug" sufficient? |=20 |=20 | |=20 Invisible Text (GNU Emacs Lisp Reference Manual) Invisible Text (GNU Emacs Lisp Reference Manual) | | | On Saturday, February 3, 2024 at 01:31:09 AM CST, Eli Zaretskii wrote: =20 =20 tags 68900 notabug thanks > Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2024 16:47:57 -0600 > From: Jaft >=20 > This is where the inconsistent behavior is: if we M-: (forward-line -1) > or M-: (previous-line) and, then, M-: (point), we'll get what (I would > think) we'd expect: point 72, the point of the beginning of the second > line. >=20 > BUT, if we do the above via key-binding =E2=80=93 i.e. if, from point 145= , we > press C-p to get to the line above =E2=80=93 and, then, run M-: (point), = we > get back the number 1. This is the point-adjustment feature in action: it moves point out of the invisible text in the direction of the last movement.=C2=A0 If you want to disable it, set global-disable-point-adjustment to a non-nil value; if you want to disable that temporarily in a Lisp program, set disable-point-adjustment non-nil before invoking some cursor-movement command.=C2=A0 In your recipe, if you set global-disable-point-adjustment non-nil, the behavior of previous-line, whether via M-: or C-p, will be consistent: it will end at position 72. This is not a bug, but the intended behavior.=C2=A0 Read all about it in the "Adjusting Point" section of the ELisp manual.=C2=A0 Admittedly, this feature can sometimes cause surprising behavior. =20 ------=_Part_4850342_1829813598.1706999005121 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ahhh; you know, I was lookin= g at Invisible Text (GNU Emacs Lisp Reference Manual)&nbs= p;but missed the end where it talks about Adjusting Point. While I'd been w= ondering if "relocat[ing] point to the other side of the text&qu= ot; might be affecting this, I don't think I'd grasped that it'd be after t= he command runs, either.

Thanks= so much for clarifying it (and pointing out where to look, in the document= ation). Do I need to close this, in any way, or was you tagging it as "= ;notabug" sufficient?




=20
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On Saturday, February 3, 2024 at 01:31:09 AM CST, Eli Z= aretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:


tags 68900 notabug
= thanks
> Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2024 16:47:57 -0600
> From: Jaft <jaft.r@outlook.com>
>
> This is where the inconsistent behav= ior is: if we M-: (forward-line -1)
> or M-: (previous= -line) and, then, M-: (point), we'll get what (I would
&g= t; think) we'd expect: point 72, the point of the beginning of the second> line.
>
> = BUT, if we do the above via key-binding =E2=80=93 i.e. if, from point 145, = we
> press C-p to get to the line above =E2=80=93 and,= then, run M-: (point), we
> get back the number 1.

This is the point-adjustment featu= re in action: it moves point out of
the invisible text in= the direction of the last movement.  If you want
to= disable it, set global-disable-point-adjustment to a non-nil value;
if you want to disable that temporarily in a Lisp program, set<= br clear=3D"none">disable-point-adjustment non-nil before invoking some cur= sor-movement
command.  In your recipe, if you set gl= obal-disable-point-adjustment
non-nil, the behavior of pr= evious-line, whether via M-: or C-p, will
be consistent: = it will end at position 72.

This is no= t a bug, but the intended behavior.  Read all about it in
the "Adjusting Point" section of the ELisp manual.  Ad= mittedly, this
feature can sometimes cause surprising beh= avior.

= ------=_Part_4850342_1829813598.1706999005121-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Feb 04 01:33:12 2024 Received: (at 68900-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Feb 2024 06:33:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48082 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rWW40-0005IQ-06 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Feb 2024 01:33:12 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55934) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rWW3y-0005IF-H4 for 68900-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Feb 2024 01:33:10 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rWW3h-0000RP-Dp; Sun, 04 Feb 2024 01:32:53 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=1C58ZJDhfvw3FNtsz93t61bV+LFTqQehcmkG5qBng+o=; b=qHmkDdhvz5VT oum2cqOnZH8FhQ8SuhEDfqUpVc87boLTgyfsed+2QKztQO0UjMPa5Gn95YXMFzXZ3G0x92gJYU/Rw k9f8nDbIelfzBxmjsSe0DUbv7qpJsI3GIqtyEwfCq4ebmC0d2drgFQCUpn3EMH35VOEiwEN0weHc8 CU4QxSFzw0N5VcY/yl/pAjfOAUcUWiDZXczNPYKrt5CxvpfH3pnlgC6FxOBLA3qnhAEo4RTbghwfr iT0TTP/o0US/bcTNhkzNIDU191aUzssCk918LH0dYBmMtOCVX5CkUIYQdI5rStIh4kMC1QGjPBNYR pQJq/jCx4qCQj0yDKR7/rw==; Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2024 08:32:49 +0200 Message-Id: <86le803fji.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Jaft In-Reply-To: (message from Jaft on Sat, 3 Feb 2024 22:23:25 +0000 (UTC)) Subject: Re: bug#68900: 29.1; Inconsistent Cursor Behavior when Executed as Lisp Code vs. Run by Key Binding References: <86jznm3sy2.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 68900-done Cc: 68900-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2024 22:23:25 +0000 (UTC) > From: Jaft > Cc: "68900@debbugs.gnu.org" <68900@debbugs.gnu.org> > > Ahhh; you know, I was looking at Invisible Text (GNU Emacs Lisp Reference Manual) but missed the > end where it talks about Adjusting Point. While I'd been wondering if "relocat[ing] point to the other > side of the text" might be affecting this, I don't think I'd grasped that it'd be after the command runs, > either. > > Thanks so much for clarifying it (and pointing out where to look, in the documentation). Do I need to > close this, in any way, or was you tagging it as "notabug" sufficient? I'm closing the bug with this message. From unknown Sun Jun 22 07:50:07 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2024 12:24:05 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator