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Then maintaining it. Plz consider speeding up the launch time of Emacs make it on par with Neovim atleast may with some cut down features or using a selective reduced modules in terminal. My primary use on Emacs is with note taking in Org mode, launch time for with highly modded Emacs is some 25 seconds, more or less same time even in terminal 'emacs -nw' command, I don't want to use the daemon thingy and for neovim with neorg it's just 1.5 seconds am on some legacy 2002 old hardware. So sadly I am taking use of neovim with neorg. As trend and acceptability of rust increasing we will see more feature rich and quicker note taking apps performance. I understand Emacs is itself is an standalone operating system but not so privileged people also use this platform and to abandon so many is cutting own following, one trend which am seeing is on neovim they are wanna be Emacs, almost every 3rd plugin is being copied somewhere even the Emacsconf is replicated some way. I wish to see emacs competitive and more adaptive it has all the capabilities to lead the charts just some push is good direction is needed work with startup time is one of them. Obliged And concerned Emacs user Warm Regards --0000000000005db173060ed7504c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings dear Gnu Emacs team,
First I w= ould like to thank you Emacs team for creating such a wonderful application= Emacs. Then maintaining it.
Plz consider speeding up = the launch time of Emacs make it on par with Neovim atleast may with some c= ut down features or using a selective reduced modules in terminal. My prima= ry use on Emacs is with note taking in Org mode, launch time for with highl= y modded Emacs is some 25 seconds, more or less same time even in terminal = 'emacs -nw' command, I don't want to use the daemon thingy and = for neovim with neorg it's just 1.5 seconds am on some legacy 2002 old = hardware. So sadly I am taking use of neovim with neorg. As trend and accep= tability of rust increasing we will see more feature rich and quicker note = taking apps performance.
I understand Emacs is itsel= f is an standalone operating system but not so privileged people also use t= his platform and to abandon so many is cutting own following, one trend whi= ch am seeing is on neovim they are wanna be Emacs, almost every 3rd plugin = is being copied somewhere even the Emacsconf is replicated some way.
<= div dir=3D"auto">I wish to see emacs competitive and more adaptive it has a= ll the capabilities to lead the charts just some push is good direction is = needed work with startup time is one of them.=C2=A0
=

Obliged And concern= ed Emacs user
Warm Regards
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My primary use on Emacs is with note taking in Org > mode, launch time for with highly modded Emacs is some 25 seconds, more or > less same time even in terminal 'emacs -nw' command, I don't want to use > the daemon thingy and for neovim with neorg it's just 1.5 seconds am on > some legacy 2002 old hardware. So sadly I am taking use of neovim with > neorg. As trend and acceptability of rust increasing we will see more > feature rich and quicker note taking apps performance. > I understand Emacs is itself is an standalone operating system but not so > privileged people also use this platform and to abandon so many is cutting > own following, one trend which am seeing is on neovim they are wanna be > Emacs, almost every 3rd plugin is being copied somewhere even the Emacsconf > is replicated some way. Thanks for the bug report. My recommendation is searching online for how to make Emacs start faster. This typically involves using autoloads, to make packages load only when they are actually needed. We encourage package authors to prefer using that in their installation instructions, but it is not always the case. But I don't think this is strictly a bug in Emacs, as I don't see anything here that is actionable. For further assistance, instead of using our bug tracker, you will have better luck using support forums instead, like the help-gnu-emacs mailing list, Reddit, IRC, EmacsWiki, and so on. PS. For what it's worth, my Emacs loads hundreds of packages and starts in 1.5 seconds. 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X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) tags 68444 + notabug thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 04 21:18:29 2024 Received: (at 68444-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Oct 2024 01:18:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36953 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1swtRE-0001kk-OI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Oct 2024 21:18:29 -0400 Received: from mail-ed1-f44.google.com ([209.85.208.44]:42274) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1swtRC-0001kc-R4 for 68444-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Oct 2024 21:18:27 -0400 Received: by mail-ed1-f44.google.com with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-5c88e45f467so4419817a12.1 for <68444-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 04 Oct 2024 18:18:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1728091042; x=1728695842; darn=debbugs.gnu.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=WmlVlGdBL+fmbKxaMa5m5FzmpD6RSnotrWKBADDuYsc=; b=mjkj6tofEVGrRt+NZcUOyIicuF217LBKQOG3fn/9m3Hb9Xoe+hnCkNsW/HaNvn9END 3Nd01AfpUjDr38Z98abyzSmsQXrfvMpcfUkGiVCkYt/jas3/BrN/dXHma/zY/jiC3Q7a 8tQIAtqi53yhTeS+HPC6I2SRJYDBL8p89CiKBV2fldj6nCRTQGtwe5xYxMuAVSD3JaFs DUfwBShz91vcy0LdrMMbhEd4EXCD3SO+V/k947s8EIHkZ3ZLoH0HwcyxL2OC+5A0vnW2 5UKKyLlBTt4loeY+bZUWLonkDo+91njAZ88UsYsw+XhXaPTTL6TvdiqR7nxFXmx24u7r RalQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1728091042; x=1728695842; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=WmlVlGdBL+fmbKxaMa5m5FzmpD6RSnotrWKBADDuYsc=; b=UJDpUJxIqn+lX2GsfFELPmTYw/60j6EN8m1C2Xv6C/uzHuixSvhsTKxxbP0nR2uQux GM4TpZCx6f67c1/wrSSN6pIKcGXCe0CnOT0JRZSn/ieI3VPV9zVHcTc73IUNIZV8RAkP uR3zcWAMOb8M8zWYRJsGx3kNIpvUig8iL1OjNEToSJRpJxoXoWyUTeVyz0q8bFfyfk7b vIKrRwI9ZSsJ5ZEp5ezfyRWJl9RDgOd1UCoC2095WmoIewqY3kD4hLzO5jejuXC0LgHD PEIsU6UWpRBQkI7mnnUrTBsxNX/xRiepKouZsVoY5JSRgFWm/KcGorLeujfAzNRIPB72 SSSA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Ywx1tumW/YtHTw+jCIsUSo0CPGNjESGJSIBZIJ2Y5nTcR+HtwAa zVKx21x7GAhQCRI+c7AP/ouHguXc4X8QNFEjoRvA8C7pfYbZxitmfbeueoLlsBuylH4ZIo2K5ax b8ghX13thLmE2NPcdjP7rsb2suhK8zg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFG2TRZfgqVIukHZlp3GL6Zlkh06550mm9c8TkQXmXboTrhjffgwcze0mT00NlFVzkf6mLrKAtvjfEDYF9Gkl4= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:2808:b0:5c5:cda5:9328 with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-5c8c09f679dmr9688828a12.4.1728091042079; Fri, 04 Oct 2024 18:17:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Fri, 4 Oct 2024 18:17:21 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Sun, 14 Jan 2024 04:25:04 -0600") References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2024 18:17:21 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#68444: Optimization / Staying in the complete /Feature request To: sir robert downey senior Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 68444-done Cc: 68444-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Stefan Kangas writes: > sir robert downey senior writes: > >> Plz consider speeding up the launch time of Emacs make it on par with >> Neovim atleast may with some cut down features or using a selective reduced >> modules in terminal. My primary use on Emacs is with note taking in Org >> mode, launch time for with highly modded Emacs is some 25 seconds, more or >> less same time even in terminal 'emacs -nw' command, I don't want to use >> the daemon thingy and for neovim with neorg it's just 1.5 seconds am on >> some legacy 2002 old hardware. So sadly I am taking use of neovim with >> neorg. As trend and acceptability of rust increasing we will see more >> feature rich and quicker note taking apps performance. >> I understand Emacs is itself is an standalone operating system but not so >> privileged people also use this platform and to abandon so many is cutting >> own following, one trend which am seeing is on neovim they are wanna be >> Emacs, almost every 3rd plugin is being copied somewhere even the Emacsconf >> is replicated some way. > > Thanks for the bug report. > > My recommendation is searching online for how to make Emacs start > faster. This typically involves using autoloads, to make packages load > only when they are actually needed. We encourage package authors to > prefer using that in their installation instructions, but it is not > always the case. > > But I don't think this is strictly a bug in Emacs, as I don't see > anything here that is actionable. > > For further assistance, instead of using our bug tracker, you will have > better luck using support forums instead, like the help-gnu-emacs > mailing list, Reddit, IRC, EmacsWiki, and so on. > > PS. For what it's worth, my Emacs loads hundreds of packages and starts > in 1.5 seconds. No further comments within 9 months, so I'm closing this bug report. From unknown Sat Jun 21 05:19:55 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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