From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:26:15 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#68369: [BUG] Unexpected behaviour with Rmail starting from message #22 Resent-From: rameiko87@posteo.net Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 13:59:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 68369 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 68369@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.170489509313245 (code B ref -1); Wed, 10 Jan 2024 13:59:03 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jan 2024 13:58:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39326 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rNZ5x-0003RZ-4z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 08:58:13 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:470:142::17]:44900) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rNZ5v-0003Py-MM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 08:58:12 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rNYDD-0007xA-Am for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 08:01:39 -0500 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rNYDA-0007Sz-JJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 08:01:39 -0500 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B5E3240027 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 14:01:33 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1704891693; bh=xOT0AKF0U238TdvMTNI2yFIzIiR/06AeQeiPGCHKwFg=; h=MIME-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Date:From:To:Subject: Message-ID:From; b=ObBk2zexumj/idihlVkt2fwvj7fTm6thntuzmvecqlQtlbcAEAC9O+HJ7iHduoKiz 0WALKADZdlbqN7NbX7xGXxgrrV8d4st0LDg5rE4YWEmAF6PEXu83hiBYJ/UdIxPpHx wwbkTRDdskvX9iN5kFEVqj+cr/re1b9R2xNVxRA5ytXpsLL76UtB2/kmrst1QrxZ7o z2fd+uqF+y1XLN7JUXx+bbJU3KikLLix3BTUExDBm2qfj1/fcQC/5lubGHpP7kdgve 48Eb/ZdTvcoHjyttTY3xrP/q97JK0d+m7gZ+ECQRhkGeFrCkLz9O8DdVHKfwRcCp09 j3jKt+2KGlXAg== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4T97Gh6bhWz9rxG for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 14:01:32 +0100 (CET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 13:01:32 +0000 From: rameiko87@posteo.net Message-ID: <51ad324e02d0edc616200d33eb61f2eb@posteo.net> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=rameiko87@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) A. Open any Rmail mailbox with at least 22 messages. Suppose for simplicity that this Rmail mailbox is connected via imap to a remote mailbox which won't receive any new message for the duration of our experiment. B. Place yourself over any message from 1 to 21: the echo area says nothing. Now press the key "g" to update your mailbox, the echo area displays "0 new messages read" C. Place yourself over message number 22 or higher (say we choose number 22): the echo area now says "Showing message 22...done"!! Now press the key "g" to update your mailbox, the echo area now displays "Showing message 22...done"!! What is going on from message #22? From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:26:15 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#68369: [BUG] Unexpected behaviour with Rmail starting from message #22 Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 14:44:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 68369 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: rameiko87@posteo.net Cc: 68369@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 68369-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B68369.170489779017069 (code B ref 68369); Wed, 10 Jan 2024 14:44:01 +0000 Received: (at 68369) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jan 2024 14:43:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39462 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rNZnR-0004RF-Hv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 09:43:09 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49014) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rNZnP-0004R1-7h for 68369@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 09:43:08 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rNZnK-000517-4c; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 09:43:02 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=HB35IET4aEvt1NqLl5sAZ0qp64KxeiXDQC+0Xub1hkI=; b=lRg3Ghrg/+TS xRpwGCrTjuUZ+v543ho01YeJL/mcSiwCRVwVYUr8AgigA5DHjRw4K2ttOTSd7g/39+icAmm19NwD/ OqQKy5ghUqLWxJ313CWtWKIIugsEdukVZMUcfmbpvStwSBFnG2bJzK1GTcaSuONoG1r0LgO3dpBjU 71O1/+UT26dqkHHKTrQzDFh4DPjoEsJEiKf4pViDSI6XwNMYdbBXtKwogww6AqjXmgr0g+NloEt90 LfUPt0en79sHU53VWhn2ZNIXYJ15JJAFTmctvwhhRpl7jdDgXI50XThJlsEJaHvi6auBxhexc0vIM puUw06gNfCPfIWg0gclcXw==; Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 16:42:44 +0200 Message-Id: <83wmshmeqj.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <51ad324e02d0edc616200d33eb61f2eb@posteo.net> (rameiko87@posteo.net) References: <51ad324e02d0edc616200d33eb61f2eb@posteo.net> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 13:01:32 +0000 > From: rameiko87@posteo.net > > A. Open any Rmail mailbox with at least 22 messages. Suppose for > simplicity that this Rmail mailbox is connected via imap to a remote > mailbox which won't receive any new message for the duration of our > experiment. > B. Place yourself over any message from 1 to 21: the echo area says > nothing. Now press the key "g" to update your mailbox, the echo area > displays "0 new messages read" > C. Place yourself over message number 22 or higher (say we choose number > 22): the echo area now says "Showing message 22...done"!! Now press the > key "g" to update your mailbox, the echo area now displays "Showing > message 22...done"!! > > What is going on from message #22? See rmail-show-message-verbose-min. This is not a bug. 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Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rOV2X-0002Rs-R8; Fri, 12 Jan 2024 22:50:34 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman In-Reply-To: <83wmshmeqj.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Wed, 10 Jan 2024 16:42:44 +0200) References: <51ad324e02d0edc616200d33eb61f2eb@posteo.net> <83wmshmeqj.fsf@gnu.org> Message-Id: Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2024 22:50:33 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > See rmail-show-message-verbose-min. > This is not a bug. It is not a bug in the functionality, but I wonder if there is a way to make it more self-explanatory. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:26:15 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#68369: [BUG] Unexpected behaviour with Rmail starting from message #22 Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2024 07:27:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 68369 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: rms@gnu.org Cc: rameiko87@posteo.net, 68369@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 68369-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B68369.170513076422451 (code B ref 68369); Sat, 13 Jan 2024 07:27:01 +0000 Received: (at 68369) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jan 2024 07:26:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38279 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rOYP5-0005py-UD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 13 Jan 2024 02:26:04 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36846) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rOYP3-0005pA-F7 for 68369@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 13 Jan 2024 02:26:01 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rOYOz-0007nN-K6; Sat, 13 Jan 2024 02:25:57 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=1dCp5gwQh8pxLyNZqibfhaJizohvlDJ6KG8sgaMHQw8=; b=EY2BJFK9vvYK B7MqHHNINlIy8Z0qqNzoNuoQ5jo/mcqkMoMi5Ewch4wlRQMRvAcvtdUysS/jkNq6fAdjNyKepzD56 1Lr3/EjQg98PlnnqsBncuxtBpXMgiVRSlLzw9hPgcS0jMcH+xUZU/YptSH5Fm0bpwubZ7M5h1PaIh t9/DN0g3FfOmbsdk4PY6yr1FJP/s2mR3rTPL/vLDgECSYwI5bAdMrdKwgAvQDnDHcYFE6UYLF/1tl KOv78xX/mSFdTyIEaPCJjgcUu5iQxInxvpCIxEnVhr8m0dawWAr9r2pa7OWycyKpLr0b7ryIzpt6O hH9C2S0+Aiy9DVuFqspQSw==; Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2024 09:25:21 +0200 Message-Id: <83mst9hezi.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Fri, 12 Jan 2024 22:50:33 -0500) References: <51ad324e02d0edc616200d33eb61f2eb@posteo.net> <83wmshmeqj.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: rameiko87@posteo.net, 68369@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2024 22:50:33 -0500 > > > See rmail-show-message-verbose-min. > > > This is not a bug. > > It is not a bug in the functionality, but I wonder if there > is a way to make it more self-explanatory. Which aspects of this do you think need better explanations? From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:26:15 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#68369: [BUG] Unexpected behaviour with Rmail starting from message #22 Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2024 03:32:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 68369 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: rameiko87@posteo.net, 68369@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 68369-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B68369.170537589927335 (code B ref 68369); Tue, 16 Jan 2024 03:32:01 +0000 Received: (at 68369) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jan 2024 03:31:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47382 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rPaAs-00076a-EG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 22:31:38 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48338) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rPaAp-00070s-Tw for 68369@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 22:31:36 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rPaAk-00058v-FN; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 22:31:30 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=wWIlh/S1rxJR8qufxTRIKufWN5Lt8IQKQACUGHuzlCw=; b=b5Ya4FdzYDsc 9YCWX0xtSv7+F1S+tDtVwVAFInylpzjHUsHAvt8C4j3PIHNH0H3fJPdB1tVChkzaG/MxXFw6+ouxc ReJCY82iEYtXnaO6ssUY2oqQ+oQs7x95sJr9h8RUSqstArvSG66b5YKBK0FB032Z91Bs9ag78pPEt vyJ0h3wGNJsK2gZcSFklVq7IuTDoNwqettGLSSYDeKhO3iOftEMcfRw8V6SawLJlPMxehaw6f4RIA 2p/yVg0plNn5WWj2j8HzLc3ZRLo7fn6XMACgfUHwkcwQZOWh7mQEEtacIdZ25eb7OJSBUy7VBQx8V VKIU0W0JmEXqZcj81Wqw3g==; Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rPaAf-0004p8-JO; Mon, 15 Jan 2024 22:31:25 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman In-Reply-To: <83mst9hezi.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sat, 13 Jan 2024 09:25:21 +0200) References: <51ad324e02d0edc616200d33eb61f2eb@posteo.net> <83wmshmeqj.fsf@gnu.org> <83mst9hezi.fsf@gnu.org> Message-Id: Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2024 22:31:25 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > See rmail-show-message-verbose-min. > > > > > This is not a bug. > > > > It is not a bug in the functionality, but I wonder if there > > is a way to make it more self-explanatory. > Which aspects of this do you think need better explanations? It is not a matter of explanation -- rather, is there a way to modify the feature a tiny bit such that its meaning will be evident. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:26:15 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#68369: [BUG] Unexpected behaviour with Rmail starting from message #22 Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2024 12:30:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 68369 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: rms@gnu.org Cc: rameiko87@posteo.net, 68369@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 68369-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B68369.170540818126770 (code B ref 68369); Tue, 16 Jan 2024 12:30:01 +0000 Received: (at 68369) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jan 2024 12:29:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48008 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rPiZZ-0006xe-AP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Jan 2024 07:29:41 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53708) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rPiZW-0006xM-MO for 68369@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Jan 2024 07:29:39 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rPiZQ-0000bI-VW; Tue, 16 Jan 2024 07:29:32 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=69AdiuMCK2W2aD7myyIwo84JNeZiYx+fpAGD8eaDf3M=; b=c2GKQ+/VZ88p 6xbHVjjv96h9rp7MVD/ZRlkpycjaCge9ckaLH/hjpReHi0mIG1c+dOMN8gfR6fJmsaMEpd3HZLsDD Lwj2ksFokvXNK7L2kZbwTGGYj8hYOE5TSjkJGF6lXwaksQKGhFJa4ATUxGdwyEb+p+B2MwIrFKVGS CS/rsycSA5nn1+aItoJu+C5G6rCwip2rsQQwDwm88cElSnnIhSb/rbmZz1pWdyyi+CL/rnK4WPbNr rd19A900d8vAK+9fXeesRmtn8VGE0atOb9ds6gxlfVWpuUOUebR8gsEZ+zNEoZ9Fvn5klynmxN8Gt WZgdyCvJ7Xkbcb1udm3hWg==; Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2024 14:29:16 +0200 Message-Id: <83fryxcvhf.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Mon, 15 Jan 2024 22:31:25 -0500) References: <51ad324e02d0edc616200d33eb61f2eb@posteo.net> <83wmshmeqj.fsf@gnu.org> <83mst9hezi.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: rameiko87@posteo.net, 68369@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2024 22:31:25 -0500 > > > > > See rmail-show-message-verbose-min. > > > > > > > This is not a bug. > > > > > > It is not a bug in the functionality, but I wonder if there > > > is a way to make it more self-explanatory. > > > Which aspects of this do you think need better explanations? > > It is not a matter of explanation -- rather, is there a way to > modify the feature a tiny bit such that its meaning will be evident. Sorry, I still don't think I follow. What kind of changes in the feature you had in mind that would make its meaning evident? From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:26:15 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#68369: [BUG] Unexpected behaviour with Rmail starting from message #22 Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2024 03:39:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 68369 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: rameiko87@posteo.net, 68369@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Received: via spool by 68369-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B68369.170554908621044 (code B ref 68369); Thu, 18 Jan 2024 03:39:01 +0000 Received: (at 68369) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jan 2024 03:38:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54099 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rQJEE-0005TK-7p for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Jan 2024 22:38:06 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36006) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rQJEC-0005Ss-6n for 68369@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Jan 2024 22:38:05 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rQJE5-0006C4-0F; Wed, 17 Jan 2024 22:37:57 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=ormoA1+YaJrZwe7pe2cgsirAKSBE5oyjB36Nc05FWqM=; b=jiY3X2EtUCmc u1zNsD1B8yF5kzpTxgZGdQ3PfaLVAKJ2qDMsT0PUA7RiQRGR1AcFwxpFO6gFtAiASUHDP5I55SjWg V73k/SlJwfO+c6gYZgvnk0p50cfB8QiAlIdlnfgBOfj8xCD1nMV7DsfFmY1yi9Zr6LJSfkdNPeh/l KT4GOPIDDyJ7mNqvy3M7meM+KHdHSxNX74dn+LiD/jvyjlshcAnS7Qj3AeP9X3nkdKYsjORNQGH5C cAW9tIsgUM4DMpz2qNxPw8daGwBsHP+gxeLFmfs6PDY2vUHhLrwKudtCXAcLLKQ71UMuyLvRaDdGI NaIOwe+22AfnhgvO/dF3RQ==; Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rQJE4-0001ZK-L7; Wed, 17 Jan 2024 22:37:56 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman In-Reply-To: <83fryxcvhf.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Tue, 16 Jan 2024 14:29:16 +0200) References: <51ad324e02d0edc616200d33eb61f2eb@posteo.net> <83wmshmeqj.fsf@gnu.org> <83mst9hezi.fsf@gnu.org> <83fryxcvhf.fsf@gnu.org> Message-Id: Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2024 22:37:56 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > It is not a matter of explanation -- rather, is there a way to > > modify the feature a tiny bit such that its meaning will be evident. > Sorry, I still don't think I follow. What kind of changes in the > feature you had in mind that would make its meaning evident? I don't have any specific ideas for that feature. I'm suggesting that other people look for interface ideas to make this more self-explanatory. Maybe we will find one. If not, well will still have the option of trying to explain it better. If we don't find one, we will still have the option of documenting it better. Our usual first response to any wish for an interface to be clearer is to write documentation, and for wishing for it to be more featureful, is to add optional features. However, I learned over the years that it was always good to try to design a feature to be more self-evident. When I tried this, sometimes I succeeded. The result was a simpler program which could do more without more options or more documentation. So it is always good to think for a while about ways to do that, before resorting to the less elegant approach. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:26:15 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: rameiko87@posteo.net Subject: bug#68369: closed (Re: bug#68369: [BUG] Unexpected behaviour with Rmail starting from message #22) Message-ID: References: <8334uvb19z.fsf@gnu.org> <51ad324e02d0edc616200d33eb61f2eb@posteo.net> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 68369 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs X-Gnu-PR-Keywords: notabug Reply-To: 68369@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2024 06:33:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1705559582-2692-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1705559582-2692-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #68369: [BUG] Unexpected behaviour with Rmail starting from message #22 which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 68369@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 68369: https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D68369 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1705559582-2692-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 68369-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jan 2024 06:32:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54179 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rQLwY-0000Vy-4r for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2024 01:32:02 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47428) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rQLwV-0000Nl-Qe for 68369-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Jan 2024 01:32:00 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rQLwM-0006kY-1T; Thu, 18 Jan 2024 01:31:51 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=9X4+z3grRJC3Rw3femeLW3wx0HKfmygAPda7mfiuRn8=; b=b69edsucJJRR StisogtN0Wt4S+gRmsaPeKhtdoTAQXP95Owd00oPdQqAX58zgjhQ3hXSmMe56MXNT7bZnPJ29lekF pk1GoQ+UbAotbgqqj0bZSgz/J5RF/43W+2SXSXbsr1o9xPWJZ5uojM5LmfkXqFR5peV+1wNDQLdzK by/U8Hyc3SOPeeKQPaX2Xu0Bm3LocQ1Km19q9P8FiOnd7v9gwoPhAR23xOJw7MM4teAE1iCG6TioT z8YYz+a+xghFUXdI0khaS1JHuwXhknATFKPZyrFB+hMKnetff+M4Regzh5Q41o9c76hV/iYn0iwtf CdrP9YCWyuJusj1k1IG1wA==; Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2024 08:31:36 +0200 Message-Id: <8334uvb19z.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Wed, 17 Jan 2024 22:37:56 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#68369: [BUG] Unexpected behaviour with Rmail starting from message #22 References: <51ad324e02d0edc616200d33eb61f2eb@posteo.net> <83wmshmeqj.fsf@gnu.org> <83mst9hezi.fsf@gnu.org> <83fryxcvhf.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 68369-done Cc: rameiko87@posteo.net, 68369-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: rameiko87@posteo.net, 68369@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2024 22:37:56 -0500 > > > > It is not a matter of explanation -- rather, is there a way to > > > modify the feature a tiny bit such that its meaning will be evident. > > > Sorry, I still don't think I follow. What kind of changes in the > > feature you had in mind that would make its meaning evident? > > I don't have any specific ideas for that feature. I'm suggesting that > other people look for interface ideas to make this more self-explanatory. > Maybe we will find one. If not, well will still have the option of > trying to explain it better. > > If we don't find one, we will still have the option of documenting it > better. Thanks, I made the doc string more clear about the effect of the option, and I'm therefore closing this bug. ------------=_1705559582-2692-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jan 2024 13:58:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39326 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rNZ5x-0003RZ-4z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 08:58:13 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:470:142::17]:44900) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rNZ5v-0003Py-MM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 08:58:12 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rNYDD-0007xA-Am for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 08:01:39 -0500 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rNYDA-0007Sz-JJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 08:01:39 -0500 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B5E3240027 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 14:01:33 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1704891693; bh=xOT0AKF0U238TdvMTNI2yFIzIiR/06AeQeiPGCHKwFg=; h=MIME-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Date:From:To:Subject: Message-ID:From; b=ObBk2zexumj/idihlVkt2fwvj7fTm6thntuzmvecqlQtlbcAEAC9O+HJ7iHduoKiz 0WALKADZdlbqN7NbX7xGXxgrrV8d4st0LDg5rE4YWEmAF6PEXu83hiBYJ/UdIxPpHx wwbkTRDdskvX9iN5kFEVqj+cr/re1b9R2xNVxRA5ytXpsLL76UtB2/kmrst1QrxZ7o z2fd+uqF+y1XLN7JUXx+bbJU3KikLLix3BTUExDBm2qfj1/fcQC/5lubGHpP7kdgve 48Eb/ZdTvcoHjyttTY3xrP/q97JK0d+m7gZ+ECQRhkGeFrCkLz9O8DdVHKfwRcCp09 j3jKt+2KGlXAg== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4T97Gh6bhWz9rxG for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 14:01:32 +0100 (CET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 13:01:32 +0000 From: rameiko87@posteo.net To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: [BUG] Unexpected behaviour with Rmail starting from message #22 Message-ID: <51ad324e02d0edc616200d33eb61f2eb@posteo.net> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=rameiko87@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) A. Open any Rmail mailbox with at least 22 messages. Suppose for simplicity that this Rmail mailbox is connected via imap to a remote mailbox which won't receive any new message for the duration of our experiment. B. Place yourself over any message from 1 to 21: the echo area says nothing. Now press the key "g" to update your mailbox, the echo area displays "0 new messages read" C. Place yourself over message number 22 or higher (say we choose number 22): the echo area now says "Showing message 22...done"!! Now press the key "g" to update your mailbox, the echo area now displays "Showing message 22...done"!! What is going on from message #22? ------------=_1705559582-2692-1--