From unknown Wed Jun 18 23:16:21 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#6826 <6826@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#6826 <6826@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 24.0.50; Tutorial claims that "emacs -Q" was customized Reply-To: bug#6826 <6826@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2025 06:16:21 +0000 retitle 6826 24.0.50; Tutorial claims that "emacs -Q" was customized reassign 6826 emacs submitter 6826 Eli Zaretskii severity 6826 normal thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Aug 08 13:27:19 2010 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Aug 2010 17:27:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Oi9eZ-0002wP-G7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 13:27:19 -0400 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166] helo=mx10.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Oi9eW-0002wE-Gl for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 13:27:17 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:59455) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Oi9fC-0000tS-CG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 13:27:58 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=51212 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Oi9f0-0002EG-Ey for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 13:27:53 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OhgKP-0005ve-NJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Aug 2010 06:08:35 -0400 Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:39894) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OhgKP-0005vS-Fc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Aug 2010 06:08:33 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0L6S00M0017YTI00@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Aug 2010 13:06:46 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.126.102.143]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0L6S00MFA1F5T620@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Aug 2010 13:06:42 +0300 (IDT) Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 13:06:42 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: 24.0.50; Tutorial claims that "emacs -Q" was customized X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Message-id: <834of6wxcd.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) This bug report will be sent to the Free Software Foundation, not to your local site managers! Please write in English if possible, because the Emacs maintainers usually do not have translators to read other languages for them. Your bug report will be posted to the bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org mailing list, and to the gnu.emacs.bug news group. Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug and the precise symptoms of the bug. If you can, give a recipe starting from `emacs -Q': emacs -Q C-h t You will most probably see the following Notice in red near the beginning: NOTICE: The main purpose of the Emacs tutorial is to teach you the most important standard Emacs commands (key bindings). However, your Emacs has been customized by changing some of these basic editing commands, so it doesn't correspond to the tutorial. We have inserted colored notices where the altered commands have been introduced. [More] Activation of the "More" button shows the following *Help* buffer: The following key bindings used in the tutorial have been changed from the Emacs default: Standard Key Command In Your Emacs C-d delete-char more info It is OK to change key bindings, but changed bindings do not correspond to what the tutorial says. I see this both on GNU/Linux on a tty, and on MS-Windows. I think this is a bogus warning, because "emacs -Q" by definition cannot be customized. If Emacs crashed, and you have the Emacs process in the gdb debugger, please include the output from the following gdb commands: `bt full' and `xbacktrace'. For information about debugging Emacs, please read the file d:/gnu/bzr/emacs/trunk/etc/DEBUG. In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2010-08-07 on HOME-C4E4A596F7 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4)' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: ENU value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: cp1255 default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Lisp Interaction Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t scroll-bar-mode: right global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: M-x r e p o r t Recent messages: For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. Making completion list... 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Features: (shadow sort gnus-util mail-extr message rfc822 mml mml-sec mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mailabbrev mail-utils gmm-utils mailheader emacsbug help-mode easymenu view tooltip ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel dos-w32 disp-table ls-lisp w32-win w32-vars tool-bar dnd fontset image fringe lisp-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mldrag mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev button minibuffer faces cus-face files text-properties overlay md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process multi-tty emacs) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Aug 08 19:14:07 2010 Received: (at 6826) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Aug 2010 23:14:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OiF4B-0007PS-9n for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 19:14:07 -0400 Received: from pantheon-po41.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.98]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OiF49-0007P6-UY for 6826@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Aug 2010 19:14:06 -0400 Received: from furry (173-9-75-145-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.9.75.145]) (authenticated bits=0) by pantheon-po41.its.yale.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id o78NEjv9013239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 8 Aug 2010 19:14:46 -0400 Received: by furry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B5148C013; Sun, 8 Aug 2010 19:14:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Chong Yidong To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#6826: 24.0.50; Tutorial claims that "emacs -Q" was customized References: <834of6wxcd.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2010 19:14:45 -0400 In-Reply-To: <834of6wxcd.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 07 Aug 2010 13:06:42 +0300") Message-ID: <87wrs04ryy.fsf@stupidchicken.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2c (attachment(s) not renamed) X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 6826 Cc: 6826@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) Eli Zaretskii writes: > emacs -Q > C-h t > > NOTICE: The main purpose of the Emacs tutorial is to teach you > the most important standard Emacs commands (key bindings). > However, your Emacs has been customized by changing some of > these basic editing commands, so it doesn't correspond to the > tutorial. We have inserted colored notices where the altered > commands have been introduced. [More] > > I think this is a bogus warning, because "emacs -Q" by definition cannot > be customized. It's because C-d is now delete-forward-char. I've checked in a fix. Thanks. 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