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Reply-To: bug#67651 <67651@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2025 18:36:18 +0000 retitle 67651 [gnome-team] What should we do with the "gnome" package? reassign 67651 guix submitter 67651 Vivien Kraus severity 67651 normal thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 05 15:56:28 2023 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Dec 2023 20:56:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38493 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rAcSy-0007Nm-Ai for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Dec 2023 15:56:28 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:470:142::17]:41460) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rAcSv-0007NY-Kb for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Dec 2023 15:56:27 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rAcSb-0007DS-Mb for bug-guix@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Dec 2023 15:56:06 -0500 Received: from planete-kraus.eu ([89.234.140.182]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_CHACHA20_POLY1305:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rAcSZ-0005Dr-I6 for bug-guix@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Dec 2023 15:56:05 -0500 Received: from planete-kraus.eu (localhost.lan [127.0.0.1]) by planete-kraus.eu (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id e9d603be for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2023 20:55:58 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=planete-kraus.eu; h= message-id:subject:from:to:date:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; s=albinoniB; bh=wsDDhku la/hDiJh18WK1hDzHalA=; b=MSZCHhfcq9BrUSSccmQApcDsr7D96kKjX5mtD78 AlLJRv1v0vbUAERynMYSxwYko5iN1sSwDgQLc+A1ExUga0PE2UVWFaK4Zv/loVEP o8cSkI57LU53y3j2VRBuv6DoknC9xepMlyF/UjRbIkythTNP1cRKn9Le4ISpUeD1 tazh0A4x/GIAC/Go4jtQHJ9JlAZKXKBXshS0B6Pdie4Xvkmlk+RKDu35Ctkd2WS/ vVR64D1PNcvLggqVypNbbiCJfp7CFedMmFksDOZJOw1tBxHWgPVSwpJdp/sZU1/U dTllXDziWHf3VAYUmgExBioiCoJ0R0U8G4p3N56gVy1gAAw== Received: by planete-kraus.eu (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 963079f5 (TLSv1.3:TLS_CHACHA20_POLY1305_SHA256:256:NO) for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2023 20:55:58 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <271383e7dfc7e1beecc0fcebe533f94e9da4d499.camel@planete-kraus.eu> Subject: [gnome-team] What should we do with the "gnome" package? From: Vivien Kraus To: bug-guix@gnu.org Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2023 21:55:56 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.46.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=89.234.140.182; envelope-from=vivien@planete-kraus.eu; helo=planete-kraus.eu X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) Dear guix, On the one hand, we have this list of packages: https://ftp2.nluug.nl/windowing/gnome/teams/releng/44.6/versions On the other hand, we have the propagated-inputs of the gnome package. Should we update the latter so that it contains everything from the former? What should we do about the comments dividing the propagated- inputs into categories? Where do these categories come from? Should we preserve them? How do we know which package goes to which category? The gnome package disables eog on 32-bit machines because it depends on librsvg-next. It seems a bit outdated to me, as most of gnome won=E2=80=99t work on 32-bit machines, not only eog. Should we try and find which ones work on 32-bit systems? 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From: Liliana Marie Prikler To: Vivien Kraus , 67651@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2023 08:34:28 +0100 In-Reply-To: <271383e7dfc7e1beecc0fcebe533f94e9da4d499.camel@planete-kraus.eu> References: <271383e7dfc7e1beecc0fcebe533f94e9da4d499.camel@planete-kraus.eu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.46.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 67651 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Vivien, Am Dienstag, dem 05.12.2023 um 21:55 +0100 schrieb Vivien Kraus: > Dear guix, >=20 > On the one hand, we have this list of packages: > https://ftp2.nluug.nl/windowing/gnome/teams/releng/44.6/versions >=20 > On the other hand, we have the propagated-inputs of the gnome > package. >=20 > Should we update the latter so that it contains everything from the > former?=C2=A0 No. > What should we do about the comments dividing the propagated- > inputs into categories? Where do these categories come from?=C2=A0 The categories are roughly inferred from a previous categorisation of GNOME Apps. It is a little arcane and should probably be updated to reflect (roughly). Note that we'll still be using the Core Apps from GNOME 44, which are listed in [1]. =20 > Should we preserve them? How do we know which package goes to which > category? We should try to update them and better keep with upstream terms. I think it also makes sense to split the gnome meta-package into multiple meta packages and adjust the gnome-desktop service accordingly. For one, we do need a gnome-shell-meta that has everything required to get a running gnome-shell, even without any of the other core applications. Then, gnome-core-main, gnome-core-mobile and gnome-core-tools could hold the main, mobile and developer tools in the core apps respectively. > The gnome package disables eog on 32-bit machines because it depends > on librsvg-next. It seems a bit outdated to me, as most of gnome > won=E2=80=99t work on 32-bit machines, not only eog. Should we try and fi= nd > which ones work on 32-bit systems? Seeing how GNOME 45 deprecates eog in favour of loupe, yet another bootstrap and build system nightmare, we should anyhow look into what's buildable on 32-bit machines and offer suitable replacements. I'm very much a proponent of reducing the amount of software on our GNOME stack, not piling yet another heap of checksums onto it and calling dependency management done. Cheers [1] https://blogs.gnome.org/mcatanzaro/2023/05/10/gnome-core-apps-update/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 07 06:26:21 2023 Received: (at 67651) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Dec 2023 11:26:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41230 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rBCWK-0007Mq-5Q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Dec 2023 06:26:21 -0500 Received: from mail-wm1-x32b.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::32b]:47154) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rBCWE-0007MZ-MQ for 67651@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Dec 2023 06:26:18 -0500 Received: by mail-wm1-x32b.google.com with SMTP id 5b1f17b1804b1-40b595bf5d2so9672165e9.2 for <67651@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 07 Dec 2023 03:26:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1701948356; x=1702553156; darn=debbugs.gnu.org; h=in-reply-to:content-disposition:mime-version:references :mail-followup-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:sender:from:to :cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=RwlP1oNY1SPadDAHLGX4KcLb1tfRI7hk1SZToyBpo18=; b=dOhRbvEfuj1ZvqIb4sUDz1IZADp9xd7nLwj/YL4JLgcyearHMXpTeEZ3tecMpFoU1b aYk/E72osNkosRbbrBd446CxSkChyWk3lmGhySSIrA8XKNYvVCols6Ta7cS18tOWqtFT D6oHiBvIvP6n90+iqM7lRmVD+Jv1Hsz/+Zijh4TM6OEf0San6gojDn3TiCvC7gCanXkn COPo9DnngFQBonu3jmPUB8csr72BPNxoUEKJJm/YGWCXSZSsTYhU7LAIPWQn/lDY8jrt WnvSLTBj3cXWMYFd6DFO1rWdSs8+NR8sbaYV7IeoViCyQVyEv50MtTS1Gwl8Vv3OOQi8 2yIQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1701948356; x=1702553156; h=in-reply-to:content-disposition:mime-version:references :mail-followup-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:sender :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=RwlP1oNY1SPadDAHLGX4KcLb1tfRI7hk1SZToyBpo18=; b=sehDVjTYELUCLthVi8Co1/0FtpQBcNvdpiC5tNgtZfO6gH7c52gfSTJxI3rDmxtJ8o s8hTofH8gV8RrRl2vX8dwUs2AgJfEFSd1hoG30J9kLIClqP2lHJPSVkE173E55j4geqc KduppnuYEvgrj4ty6ZJTbW34eijpjBdN9Sney3E+IPBH4VLxjIjkrXW8iAtQpEMST1BS 4r3xA6Ku0RsNzberZJMew55lrhZqSFOWInpKGbKwdCh+7YMyEHiIqPANBtk/P2lRT/zp 5yvN5z818vncJ71TnTgAwpSp3xhoNNG6cVXs/4FwQhQPewYJIkHMiECuRjrxwLikQ5w8 kH+w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwBnbZsgwBQ5Q2Ig2UkGyH6jPvPA+JBIEh3LGktn3Vvmc7+dNN4 H616OVhxunHqCt46oMho7p9mnB34LgtF5A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFaG4q8SlgumSFaIix0tEYPBwJP1gRFHcaxZh5mDJmVG3MCuCLzL80qYIdPgcOeod4iC9kK1Q== X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:3baa:b0:40c:2671:1553 with SMTP id n42-20020a05600c3baa00b0040c26711553mr530588wms.36.1701948356282; Thu, 07 Dec 2023 03:25:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([188.120.129.233]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id bi12-20020a05600c3d8c00b0040b397787d3sm1661711wmb.24.2023.12.07.03.25.55 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 07 Dec 2023 03:25:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2023 13:25:54 +0200 From: Efraim Flashner To: Vivien Kraus Subject: Re: bug#67651: [gnome-team] What should we do with the "gnome" package? Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Efraim Flashner , Vivien Kraus , 67651@debbugs.gnu.org References: <271383e7dfc7e1beecc0fcebe533f94e9da4d499.camel@planete-kraus.eu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="aM8u52zHrMuQbSAg" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <271383e7dfc7e1beecc0fcebe533f94e9da4d499.camel@planete-kraus.eu> X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x41AAE7DCCA3D8351 X-PGP-Key: https://flashner.co.il/~efraim/efraim_flashner.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: A28B F40C 3E55 1372 662D 14F7 41AA E7DC CA3D 8351 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 67651 Cc: 67651@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) --aM8u52zHrMuQbSAg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Dec 05, 2023 at 09:55:56PM +0100, Vivien Kraus via Bug reports for = GNU Guix wrote: > Dear guix, > > The gnome package disables eog on 32-bit machines because it depends on > librsvg-next. It seems a bit outdated to me, as most of gnome won=E2=80= =99t > work on 32-bit machines, not only eog. Should we try and find which > ones work on 32-bit systems? One option would be to wrap everything in 'supported-package?' and append everything together. Then if something depends on the newer librsvg and that isn't supported on that architecture it will just be skipped. 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From: Liliana Marie Prikler To: Vivien Kraus , 67651@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2024 17:53:07 +0100 In-Reply-To: <271383e7dfc7e1beecc0fcebe533f94e9da4d499.camel@planete-kraus.eu> References: <271383e7dfc7e1beecc0fcebe533f94e9da4d499.camel@planete-kraus.eu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.46.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 67651 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Am Dienstag, dem 05.12.2023 um 21:55 +0100 schrieb Vivien Kraus: > Dear guix, >=20 > On the one hand, we have this list of packages: > https://ftp2.nluug.nl/windowing/gnome/teams/releng/44.6/versions For the record, we have a new 44 release: https://ftp2.nluug.nl/windowing/gnome/teams/releng/44.7/versions I've summarised our TODOs below: Each commented line (preceded by #) denotes a package that doesn't exist on the gnome-team branch yet. core:atkmm:2.28.3: #core:calls:44.2: core:font-abattis-cantarell:0.303.1: core:epiphany:44.7: #core:gnome-logs:43.0: #core:gnome-software:44.5: #core:gnome-tour:44.0: I think we should settle on what to do with the gnome package soon to not stall the branch even further. We can already start working towards GNOME 46 after the merge :) There is some gnome-adjacent software (particularly extensions, I don't want all of them to break like they did the last time and the time before) to have a look at as well before the merge, but it looks like a nice road ahead. We can do this! From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 09 06:10:32 2024 Received: (at 67651) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jan 2024 11:10:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38467 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rNA07-0004Vv-EL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2024 06:10:32 -0500 Received: from planete-kraus.eu ([89.234.140.182]:56252) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rNA00-0004VY-Gb for 67651@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2024 06:10:28 -0500 Received: from planete-kraus.eu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by planete-kraus.eu (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id b655a8ca; Tue, 9 Jan 2024 11:10:10 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=planete-kraus.eu; h= message-id:subject:from:to:date:in-reply-to:references :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; s= albinoniA; bh=16a0KInVfyqHiIbeQu2vZuWFqC8=; b=d05BHQn1L4UrQo8+sL Wvarf8iEhBkaQRp16gBnsB7n5ZeEpTrAqznHLMpizCxcRK3HKQQqwXUA1JfoFTxg qshVtphUHpCngam5x1vaS+GF4N8DwkSn25OHc4hvumULLFzKauVm6UMOwMn8W7S3 l6Zw3+3hKI7to1PXjUMbcFuam7Yl/Vyr33KMnTNVH2HjNW6bXarzowrbZmqY2QP9 nHF4Z8KwHv7AK5lVZIBRn3L3QLLSaoGNRtBucel1ZKAOF+C6sZn9SL3cVC5W0wfK OB2KN3UlUGuk4R9xWOmiNwkMzw76WXOcDfLbePkPEe4IWejCWBhrFmohKo0PyzZ7 msjg== Received: by planete-kraus.eu (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 074aca43 (TLSv1.3:TLS_CHACHA20_POLY1305_SHA256:256:NO); Tue, 9 Jan 2024 11:10:10 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <12ef074c9aeeb94459a4791ca4d095c368ebdf89.camel@planete-kraus.eu> Subject: Re: [gnome-team] What should we do with the "gnome" package? From: Vivien Kraus To: Liliana Marie Prikler , 67651@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2024 12:10:10 +0100 In-Reply-To: <47e607ee3184584dea2ab23ca0d517fa44b7076f.camel@gmail.com> References: <271383e7dfc7e1beecc0fcebe533f94e9da4d499.camel@planete-kraus.eu> <47e607ee3184584dea2ab23ca0d517fa44b7076f.camel@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.48.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 67651 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Dear Guix, Le dimanche 07 janvier 2024 =C3=A0 17:53 +0100, Liliana Marie Prikler a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0: > I've summarised our TODOs below: Each commented line (preceded by #) > denotes a package that doesn't exist on the gnome-team branch yet. >=20 > core:atkmm:2.28.3: Oops, I missed that one. Sorry. I checked the list by comparing our versions to those of the list, but of course, our version of "atkmm" is reported as 2.36.2, so I did not think further.=C2=A0 The git log shows various documentation update, build system updates, and documentation updates between 2.28.1 and 2.28.3. > #core:calls:44.2: (as said on IRC, I believe we have Calls already on gnome-team) > core:font-abattis-cantarell:0.303.1: I don=E2=80=99t know where this 0.303.1 tag comes from, I can=E2=80=99t see= it. It=E2=80=99s neither a tag nor a gitlab release. There has only been translation updates for the appstream metadata since our commit. > core:epiphany:44.7: We now have it, thank you! > #core:gnome-logs:43.0: The day elogind supports the journald API, we will be delighted to have it (also see https://issues.guix.gnu.org/67338 ). > #core:gnome-software:44.5: I thought it was pointless to package it, but see https://issues.guix.gnu.org/68228 : it is claimed that we can use it to install flatpaks. > #core:gnome-tour:44.0: That=E2=80=99s Rust, unfortunately. >=20 > I think we should settle on what to do with the gnome package soon to > not stall the branch even further.=C2=A0 We can already start working > towards GNOME 46 after the merge :) In my opinion, we should have atkmm:2.28.3, but I see atkmm-2.28 being used as a propagated-inputs for gtkmm-3, and gtkmm-3 is an input for inkscape. That=E2=80=99s a world rebuild=E2=80=A6 For Cantarell fonts, maybe we should point to the latest commit? That=E2=80= =99s another world rebuild though, and for very little gain as of now. I=E2=80=99m not sure a flatpak-only gnome software is a hard requirement. I= t would be most confusing. Gnome-tour is nice, but I think we can live without it until we figure out this =E2=80=9Crust=E2=80=9D stuff. > There is some gnome-adjacent software (particularly extensions, I > don't > want all of them to break like they did the last time and the time > before) to have a look at as well before the merge You mean, the gnome-shell-extension-* in (gnu packages gnome-xyz)? I don=E2=80=99t use them (I was told they were frequently broken so I never bothered to try them!) so I=E2=80=99m not sure I can reliably tell whether = they work correctly. Best regards, Vivien P.S. After a brief period of not being able to send an e-mail, this is the first I send with my new email-key-rotation-service-type! 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From: Liliana Marie Prikler To: Vivien Kraus , 67651@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2024 20:29:51 +0100 In-Reply-To: <12ef074c9aeeb94459a4791ca4d095c368ebdf89.camel@planete-kraus.eu> References: <271383e7dfc7e1beecc0fcebe533f94e9da4d499.camel@planete-kraus.eu> <47e607ee3184584dea2ab23ca0d517fa44b7076f.camel@gmail.com> <12ef074c9aeeb94459a4791ca4d095c368ebdf89.camel@planete-kraus.eu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.46.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 67651 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Am Dienstag, dem 09.01.2024 um 12:10 +0100 schrieb Vivien Kraus: > Dear Guix, >=20 > [...] I know that a bunch of packages have reasons not to exist in Guix, I simply wanted to point out that we don't have them. > > I think we should settle on what to do with the gnome package soon > > to not stall the branch even further.=C2=A0 We can already start workin= g > > towards GNOME 46 after the merge :) > In my opinion, we should have atkmm:2.28.3, but I see atkmm-2.28 > being used as a propagated-inputs for gtkmm-3, and gtkmm-3 is an > input for inkscape. That=E2=80=99s a world rebuild=E2=80=A6 >=20 > For Cantarell fonts, maybe we should point to the latest commit? > That=E2=80=99s another world rebuild though, and for very little gain as = of > now. >=20 > I=E2=80=99m not sure a flatpak-only gnome software is a hard requirement.= It > would be most confusing. Gnome-tour is nice, but I think we can live > without it until we figure out this =E2=80=9Crust=E2=80=9D stuff. With "the gnome package" I mean the gnome metapackage that made you raise this issue. > > There is some gnome-adjacent software (particularly extensions, I > > don't want all of them to break like they did the last time and the > > time before) to have a look at as well before the merge >=20 > You mean, the gnome-shell-extension-* in (gnu packages gnome-xyz)? I > don=E2=80=99t use them (I was told they were frequently broken so I never > bothered to try them!) so I=E2=80=99m not sure I can reliably tell whethe= r > they work correctly. They tend to get broken with each gnome update, but I'm here to change that. Testing them is actually quite simple: construct a guix system vm with a gnome that has all the extensions, run it, then enable all of them one by one in the GUI. If there's a version incompatibility, you will notice. 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