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But if you change the value of the variable ‘shell-command-default-error-buffer’ to a string, error output is < inserted into a buffer of that name. > silently inserted into a buffer of that name. So be sure to check it for any. From unknown Sat Sep 13 08:56:58 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#67542: Warn of shell-command-default-error-buffer non-notification Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2023 08:39:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 67542 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Dan Jacobson Cc: 67542@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 67542-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B67542.170133348222609 (code B ref 67542); Thu, 30 Nov 2023 08:39:02 +0000 Received: (at 67542) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Nov 2023 08:38:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52204 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1r8cYc-0005sX-0X for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2023 03:38:02 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34456) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1r8cYa-0005sD-Bh; Thu, 30 Nov 2023 03:38:01 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r8cYM-0000gO-7X; Thu, 30 Nov 2023 03:37:46 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=zQXr2ORbDMIfcViKEltpfs1voYrfz+wr+xAV0Fly0ek=; b=EXqjX06WqjRHnGHbYhsd 10KT738BMtxs0xAFYUbcrbGNSlbY6etkZlWvTwWsMFgmwambx+PYztTdHjcjeS31o89f/uYp83d5H +5JogzTbLDDvuP3zQdFCcbe9vq2GT5ToeoBxKaqPO5d3Zh3Dn+Bv7bt811KNn0XQ7TwtsjTtFRNIC T6pkiTT8bOaLDE3WK4EQ8RQTVZ4+mOsgHDUVAOPCrtRCoXFNCijTdfqW02PYwliax9iw+vaDj4R3/ APsHocZEN349sZN+jTj5w/HKSdp7nvIyI0khQvWDN2tlDYmY3vSt/T9k6bvz14kCmxh3TiLcmfUnw R42FbsfrVb/fYQ==; Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2023 10:37:37 +0200 Message-Id: <83zfyvbpri.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <87h6l3emro.5.fsf@jidanni.org> (message from Dan Jacobson on Thu, 30 Nov 2023 15:14:03 +0800) References: <87h6l3emro.5.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) tags 67542 notabug wontfix close 67542 thanks > From: Dan Jacobson > Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2023 15:14:03 +0800 > > On (info "(emacs) Single Shell") Please change: > > By default, error output is intermixed with the regular output in the > output buffer. But if you change the value of the variable > ‘shell-command-default-error-buffer’ to a string, error output is > < inserted into a buffer of that name. > > silently inserted into a buffer of that name. So be sure to check it for any. I don't see any reason to add that word, as nothing in the manual says or hints that the error output will be inserted "non-silently", or that the buffer will be popped up by Emacs. Closing. 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But if you put some of it (STDERR) in a separate buffer the separate output doesn't pop up. It's just like saying, "If you don't like living with your parents, you can stay in the guest house." But they don't tell you that the guest house doesn't have electricity, plumbing or heating.