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[2603:8000:a400:cdc:840b:1d34:253d:fa69]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i18-20020a170902c95200b001cfd2c5ae6fsm4754546pla.25.2023.11.28.23.01.59 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:01:59 -0800 (PST) From: Xiyue Deng Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:01:58 -0800 Message-ID: <87y1ehavq1.fsf@debian-hx90.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::430; envelope-from=manphiz@gmail.com; helo=mail-pf1-x430.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain In section 5.1, "The Definition of `copy-to-buffer'" of "Introduction to Emacs Lisp", when describing the implementation, the description of function `with-current-buffer' is a little too succinct with a sentence "Then, the `with-current-buffer 'function evaluates its body with that buffer temporarily current." and another one in the parentheses "`with-current-buffer' is a newer, and arguably easier, mechanism." AIUI the intro book is intended for people without programming experience. While arguably these two sentences do describe the `with-current-buffer' function, it would be better to expand a little more on what it does after "with that buffer temporarily current", such as it will switch back to the current buffer upon finishing the inner operations, etc. Below is a proposed patch to expand the description a little. Thanks in advance for considering! --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-diff Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=0001-Add-more-text-to-clarify-the-behavior-of-with-curren.patch >From adf5973940e99e7ec676e2f5d43aae9026075f43 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Xiyue Deng Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:44:31 -0800 Subject: [PATCH] Add more text to clarify the behavior of with-current-buffer * doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi (copy-to-buffer): update text --- doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi | 6 +++++- 1 file changed, 5 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-) diff --git a/doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi b/doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi index e4a0f585f69..ba93dfd3b91 100644 --- a/doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi +++ b/doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi @@ -5445,7 +5445,11 @@ That expression starts with @code{get-buffer-create buffer}. The function tells the computer to use the buffer with the name specified as the one to which you are copying, or if such a buffer does not exist, to create it. Then, the @code{with-current-buffer} function -evaluates its body with that buffer temporarily current. +evaluates its body with that buffer temporarily current, after which +it will switch back to the buffer we are at now@footnote{It is like +calling @code{(save-excursion (set-buffer ...) ...)} in one go, though +it is defined slightly differently which interested reader can find +out using @code{describe-function}}. (This demonstrates another way to shift the computer's attention but not the user's. The @code{append-to-buffer} function showed how to do -- 2.39.2 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain In GNU Emacs 29.1 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.37, cairo version 1.16.0) of 2023-09-19, modified by Debian built on debian-hx90 System Description: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm) Configured using: 'configure --build x86_64-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr --sharedstatedir=/var/lib --libexecdir=/usr/libexec --localstatedir=/var/lib --infodir=/usr/share/info --mandir=/usr/share/man --with-libsystemd --with-pop=yes --enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/29.1/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/29.1/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp --with-sound=alsa --without-gconf --with-mailutils --with-native-compilation --build x86_64-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr --sharedstatedir=/var/lib --libexecdir=/usr/libexec --localstatedir=/var/lib --infodir=/usr/share/info --mandir=/usr/share/man --with-libsystemd --with-pop=yes 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charset="utf-8" Your bug report #67521: 29.1; Describe with-current-buffer in more details which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 67521@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 67521: https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D67521 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1701263222-13357-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 67521-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Nov 2023 13:06:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49088 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1r8KGk-0003SQ-Fx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Nov 2023 08:06:22 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44960) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1r8KGi-0003SE-J5 for 67521-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Nov 2023 08:06:21 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r8KGU-0001CK-Fn; Wed, 29 Nov 2023 08:06:06 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=ES8H2+6VglZnnKlNElPe9ACLh7FH1GEoFsu33gy1Thc=; b=BMPRo/MiktLG E9Fozoeg/erDgibNIc4+phxICPc92imktsOQfrQT8NiTmN0mNun2aioKaYaUJPe6G/8lzd7eTsEfR 8uMSuwIHr+UGziTu5BJZELAgRt0twXNeRX7tYzIiP/gkCC4fj1kmD9EuCWRIBQJ7tXwRTgOEOfzsL PtBqgPEmQKO7Et9qHEyyyEiNEMR3Tt/zBNdX9ljAEuAf/7M2KcosMNHXDsbYAxMoffnrPwdxrJ1zi VOGqaHW4yjqLcW8SgUZTvf8iAsNli+NUWRDBrJSL4btsKYpjvm+7wNkUO0bnFrz1ySyI9L77tZo/J CHzZ8nKEUvw+nokXJ2fcZQ==; Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2023 15:05:56 +0200 Message-Id: <83msuw7lqj.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Xiyue Deng In-Reply-To: <87y1ehavq1.fsf@debian-hx90.lan> (message from Xiyue Deng on Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:01:58 -0800) Subject: Re: bug#67521: 29.1; Describe with-current-buffer in more details References: <87y1ehavq1.fsf@debian-hx90.lan> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 67521-done Cc: 67521-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Xiyue Deng > Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:01:58 -0800 > > In section 5.1, "The Definition of `copy-to-buffer'" of "Introduction to > Emacs Lisp", when describing the implementation, the description of > function `with-current-buffer' is a little too succinct with a sentence > "Then, the `with-current-buffer 'function evaluates its body with that > buffer temporarily current." and another one in the parentheses > "`with-current-buffer' is a newer, and arguably easier, mechanism." > > AIUI the intro book is intended for people without programming > experience. While arguably these two sentences do describe the > `with-current-buffer' function, it would be better to expand a little > more on what it does after "with that buffer temporarily current", such > as it will switch back to the current buffer upon finishing the inner > operations, etc. > > Below is a proposed patch to expand the description a little. Thanks in > advance for considering! 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[2603:8000:a400:cdc:840b:1d34:253d:fa69]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i18-20020a170902c95200b001cfd2c5ae6fsm4754546pla.25.2023.11.28.23.01.59 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:01:59 -0800 (PST) From: Xiyue Deng To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 29.1; Describe with-current-buffer in more details Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:01:58 -0800 Message-ID: <87y1ehavq1.fsf@debian-hx90.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::430; envelope-from=manphiz@gmail.com; helo=mail-pf1-x430.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain In section 5.1, "The Definition of `copy-to-buffer'" of "Introduction to Emacs Lisp", when describing the implementation, the description of function `with-current-buffer' is a little too succinct with a sentence "Then, the `with-current-buffer 'function evaluates its body with that buffer temporarily current." and another one in the parentheses "`with-current-buffer' is a newer, and arguably easier, mechanism." AIUI the intro book is intended for people without programming experience. While arguably these two sentences do describe the `with-current-buffer' function, it would be better to expand a little more on what it does after "with that buffer temporarily current", such as it will switch back to the current buffer upon finishing the inner operations, etc. Below is a proposed patch to expand the description a little. Thanks in advance for considering! --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-diff Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=0001-Add-more-text-to-clarify-the-behavior-of-with-curren.patch >From adf5973940e99e7ec676e2f5d43aae9026075f43 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Xiyue Deng Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:44:31 -0800 Subject: [PATCH] Add more text to clarify the behavior of with-current-buffer * doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi (copy-to-buffer): update text --- doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi | 6 +++++- 1 file changed, 5 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-) diff --git a/doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi b/doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi index e4a0f585f69..ba93dfd3b91 100644 --- a/doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi +++ b/doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi @@ -5445,7 +5445,11 @@ That expression starts with @code{get-buffer-create buffer}. The function tells the computer to use the buffer with the name specified as the one to which you are copying, or if such a buffer does not exist, to create it. Then, the @code{with-current-buffer} function -evaluates its body with that buffer temporarily current. +evaluates its body with that buffer temporarily current, after which +it will switch back to the buffer we are at now@footnote{It is like +calling @code{(save-excursion (set-buffer ...) ...)} in one go, though +it is defined slightly differently which interested reader can find +out using @code{describe-function}}. (This demonstrates another way to shift the computer's attention but not the user's. 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[2603:8000:a400:cdc:840b:1d34:253d:fa69]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f35-20020a631023000000b005ac384b71cbsm11169912pgl.60.2023.11.29.08.45.35 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 29 Nov 2023 08:45:35 -0800 (PST) From: Xiyue Deng In-Reply-To: <83msuw7lqj.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 29 Nov 2023 15:05:56 +0200") References: <87y1ehavq1.fsf@debian-hx90.lan> <83msuw7lqj.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2023 08:45:34 -0800 Message-ID: <87ttp4bj9t.fsf@debian-hx90.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Xiyue Deng >> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:01:58 -0800 >> >> In section 5.1, "The Definition of `copy-to-buffer'" of "Introduction to >> Emacs Lisp", when describing the implementation, the description of >> function `with-current-buffer' is a little too succinct with a sentence >> "Then, the `with-current-buffer 'function evaluates its body with that >> buffer temporarily current." and another one in the parentheses >> "`with-current-buffer' is a newer, and arguably easier, mechanism." >> >> AIUI the intro book is intended for people without programming >> experience. While arguably these two sentences do describe the >> `with-current-buffer' function, it would be better to expand a little >> more on what it does after "with that buffer temporarily current", such >> as it will switch back to the current buffer upon finishing the inner >> operations, etc. >> >> Below is a proposed patch to expand the description a little. Thanks in >> advance for considering! > > Thanks, installed on the emacs-29 branch, and closing the issue. Thanks Eli! Just wondering will this be installed on master also (with your fix of course)? -- Xiyue Deng From unknown Sun Jun 22 08:12:13 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#67521: 29.1; Describe with-current-buffer in more details Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2023 05:53:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 67521 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Xiyue Deng Cc: 67521-done@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 67521-done@debbugs.gnu.org id=D67521.170132353014509 (code D ref 67521); Thu, 30 Nov 2023 05:53:01 +0000 Received: (at 67521-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Nov 2023 05:52:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51992 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1r8Zy6-0003lx-1f for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2023 00:52:10 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33450) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1r8Zy3-0003lk-Sp for 67521-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2023 00:52:08 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r8Zxq-0002jn-EW; Thu, 30 Nov 2023 00:51:54 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=HzUE8wegWJoAcAuq7YoAdsF3H0ZHwkfNcTa40zeYxqQ=; b=oa7DzxIrJgG1 QpxrBG34pIhSHcP3kv8/WUhw6LxisVbFySW76AYNIMiRrKMvq32nDn41VS/xjRBlgpI1Dn7KgFp7B Y+c5V86xiYcIhlgFy0w1/TI/VB5xaPpCjJXvNaQnTJ+R3p2mL261hN9C3wtkYmeOevzsnRjjBj+7d kTLWhDZS8BjGyEbe5wIjc4sc9KGmULrAG7E7+bHsJJhwMhgFVk+cbnhs84Ps7GCcnid1vblDcZ16G A6J7CXJaQbowZGgQoqhWMAri3f+Ek5DjEGmVJu0ohi4V48nG1Ausylui8zaqqhletRnqw8jVADa7n gHLbtEaHwN1XZyjJs2XWng==; Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2023 07:51:46 +0200 Message-Id: <83wmtz6b65.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <87ttp4bj9t.fsf@debian-hx90.lan> (message from Xiyue Deng on Wed, 29 Nov 2023 08:45:34 -0800) References: <87y1ehavq1.fsf@debian-hx90.lan> <83msuw7lqj.fsf@gnu.org> <87ttp4bj9t.fsf@debian-hx90.lan> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Xiyue Deng > Cc: 67521-done@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2023 08:45:34 -0800 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> From: Xiyue Deng > >> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:01:58 -0800 > >> > >> In section 5.1, "The Definition of `copy-to-buffer'" of "Introduction to > >> Emacs Lisp", when describing the implementation, the description of > >> function `with-current-buffer' is a little too succinct with a sentence > >> "Then, the `with-current-buffer 'function evaluates its body with that > >> buffer temporarily current." and another one in the parentheses > >> "`with-current-buffer' is a newer, and arguably easier, mechanism." > >> > >> AIUI the intro book is intended for people without programming > >> experience. While arguably these two sentences do describe the > >> `with-current-buffer' function, it would be better to expand a little > >> more on what it does after "with that buffer temporarily current", such > >> as it will switch back to the current buffer upon finishing the inner > >> operations, etc. > >> > >> Below is a proposed patch to expand the description a little. Thanks in > >> advance for considering! > > > > Thanks, installed on the emacs-29 branch, and closing the issue. > > Thanks Eli! Just wondering will this be installed on master also (with > your fix of course)? The release branch is periodically merged onto master, so yes, it will, in a few days. 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[2603:8000:a400:cdc:2f66:a6c8:60e9:f687]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 8-20020a17090a01c800b0028590a7b3c5sm521209pjd.37.2023.11.29.22.18.25 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 29 Nov 2023 22:18:26 -0800 (PST) From: Xiyue Deng In-Reply-To: <83wmtz6b65.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 30 Nov 2023 07:51:46 +0200") References: <87y1ehavq1.fsf@debian-hx90.lan> <83msuw7lqj.fsf@gnu.org> <87ttp4bj9t.fsf@debian-hx90.lan> <83wmtz6b65.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2023 22:18:24 -0800 Message-ID: <87plzrbw7j.fsf@debian-hx90.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Xiyue Deng >> Cc: 67521-done@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2023 08:45:34 -0800 >> >> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> >> >> From: Xiyue Deng >> >> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:01:58 -0800 >> >> >> >> In section 5.1, "The Definition of `copy-to-buffer'" of "Introduction to >> >> Emacs Lisp", when describing the implementation, the description of >> >> function `with-current-buffer' is a little too succinct with a sentence >> >> "Then, the `with-current-buffer 'function evaluates its body with that >> >> buffer temporarily current." and another one in the parentheses >> >> "`with-current-buffer' is a newer, and arguably easier, mechanism." >> >> >> >> AIUI the intro book is intended for people without programming >> >> experience. While arguably these two sentences do describe the >> >> `with-current-buffer' function, it would be better to expand a little >> >> more on what it does after "with that buffer temporarily current", such >> >> as it will switch back to the current buffer upon finishing the inner >> >> operations, etc. >> >> >> >> Below is a proposed patch to expand the description a little. Thanks in >> >> advance for considering! >> > >> > Thanks, installed on the emacs-29 branch, and closing the issue. >> >> Thanks Eli! Just wondering will this be installed on master also (with >> your fix of course)? > > The release branch is periodically merged onto master, so yes, it > will, in a few days. Ah didn't know that. Thanks for clarifying! -- Xiyue Deng