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Sat, 25 Nov 2023 18:18:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jidanni.org; s=dreamhost; t=1700965096; bh=3GhfZaUrxBVsh/21Alc4W1nh+rxPdfxoWe3VcDTYapM=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=p2yLLgF/BJ1OStxlcccRl+mUuPX3zcFQmoQmpoZXeFUiDwCxEWq7poTqRS089nmAw LZNuT/P30qGn557fwvnrc0SxOxMh2Tv8oHs+Dc2iQQrPEPUkHamjwIrJ1hE9YlHkWy 0mXiPam8HigU1pU7IC6sF9BO/9n9Hus4R+HF5MKmo63KjALYNqgY6k6ajJ3OnGL8Nv LxWkVFscvtw5YHhFqbetODPJjUGd4T1P/y0UMpXpexuvvs61g8zwzk9jCR9RS/Mewp lO9YI1cS+D1DmQ5AAi4pUtMUP4Yq8IP8VfyGlvD9eU+BLQLeu0ICd4WG+80a2x83da 9hEKFFfhhmX1A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2023 10:18:16 +0800 From: Dan Jacobson To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: Manual: add how to change default global font size in .emacs User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.4.3 Message-ID: <63f64522726258ee8dbde487a579325c@jidanni.org> X-Sender: jidanni@jidanni.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received-SPF: pass client-ip=23.83.209.93; envelope-from=jidanni@jidanni.org; helo=insect.birch.relay.mailchannels.net X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) In (info "(emacs) Fonts") we learn > By default, Emacs displays text on graphical displays using a 10-point > monospace font, and the font size can be changed interactively (*note > Text Scale::). That is great. But what is 10-point is not the right default size for you. Well, to make a new defaut, just put (global-text-scale-adjust INCREMENT) in your .emacs. As simple as that. But the manual never gets around to mentioning that. So how shall we fix that problem? Well first there on In (info "(emacs) Fonts") please add: > besides interactively, the default can also be incremented in your > .emacs file: via (global-text-scale-adjust INCREMENT). OK, also in (info "(emacs) Text Scale") we see > to change the sizes of the fonts globally, type ‘C-x > C-M-+’, ‘C-x C-M-=’, ‘C-x C-M--’ or ‘C-x C-M-0’, or scroll the mouse > wheel with both the ‘Ctrl’ and ‘Meta’ modifiers pressed. That is also great, but you also need to mention how to change it permanently in .emacs: via (global-text-scale-adjust INCREMENT). In fact, that would make this index entry * global-text-scale-adjust: Text Scale. (line 35) make sense. As currently all it leads to are the keystrokes. (Note: in all of the above I intentionally do not mention "Easy customization". That is not what I am trying to document.) P.S., emacs -Q --eval '(global-text-scale-adjust 0)' cause the initial text to disappear. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 26 00:51:30 2023 Received: (at 67449) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Nov 2023 05:51:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40629 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1r783F-0004Oz-UH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Nov 2023 00:51:30 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45730) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1r783D-0004Oh-90; Sun, 26 Nov 2023 00:51:28 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r7832-000597-2N; Sun, 26 Nov 2023 00:51:16 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=mgqvEpR1ySyF4azJMfiO/QdiIXqPDf8W1536Pqe8leE=; b=PMjhWsn/FmUa1t957z6r rjZLrocvFURkibdws4VgO/90E0JJGLKLh8IaY8mXi5mR9tK9MsNJFc6zkMg2dD/52AQiV7c/oUAw0 wVFTdKkYfZjmZEZpji6rXQ1enjg1ileyjKr1SFJ/D3w487JYh7Dt+O3KKSeDEFO4G6+FHYGgN7OVK l2yYPIDsr7OXMFB1FqE/RWP4vucbnNcyKLOYpjECz/72wSqjjovNwLwLAYXQlr780Zz7uFdth+zBo 5UDUjq3hUUtWl4wmtT9sCpfE9PavEONTuP42DmcIarVD7cNDiIg8xjX8soNss3yeyREpBeII6YbUb a/pn6E1JejytQg==; Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2023 07:50:48 +0200 Message-Id: <83fs0tawqv.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Dan Jacobson In-Reply-To: <63f64522726258ee8dbde487a579325c@jidanni.org> (message from Dan Jacobson on Sun, 26 Nov 2023 10:18:16 +0800) Subject: Re: bug#67449: Manual: add how to change default global font size in .emacs References: <63f64522726258ee8dbde487a579325c@jidanni.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 67449 Cc: 67449@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) tags 67449 notabug wontfix close 67449 thanks > Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2023 10:18:16 +0800 > From: Dan Jacobson > > In (info "(emacs) Fonts") we learn > > > By default, Emacs displays text on graphical displays using a 10-point > > monospace font, and the font size can be changed interactively (*note > > Text Scale::). > > That is great. But what is 10-point is not the right default size for > you. The text just below that explains how to do that in half a dozen different ways. > Well, to make a new defaut, just put > (global-text-scale-adjust INCREMENT) > in your .emacs. As simple as that. No, that's not the right way, since it doesn't affect all the faces used by Emacs. You've misunderstood the intent and purpose of global-text-scale-adjust and friends. > OK, also in (info "(emacs) Text Scale") we see > > > to change the sizes of the fonts globally, type ‘C-x > > C-M-+’, ‘C-x C-M-=’, ‘C-x C-M--’ or ‘C-x C-M-0’, or scroll the mouse > > wheel with both the ‘Ctrl’ and ‘Meta’ modifiers pressed. > > That is also great, but you also need to mention how to change it > permanently in .emacs: via (global-text-scale-adjust INCREMENT). Because doing that permanently makes no sense, and that's not what global-text-scale-adjust is for. This is not a bug, and there's nothing we should do here. Closing. 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From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 26 08:50:48 2023 Received: (at 67449) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Nov 2023 13:50:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40929 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1r7FX6-0007IG-6c for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Nov 2023 08:50:48 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60466) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1r7FX1-0007Hw-Pc for 67449@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Nov 2023 08:50:46 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r7FWp-0003K5-9v; Sun, 26 Nov 2023 08:50:31 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=f6uGjDJY1Yfav9g++3upI0pW4my3dXsNfZUQd4JiJbw=; b=gpowbu7xqDQN kURF5QivLIsW5r1qDh4icGpXmjuha3oEoN1FajRy5W23BZT+3lPAqtON2xgiIA7mudVY86UmiWSfa JMZr4+VBMST/H+vVC2iDxDUyOdnxwQEUgGps+c9cTp3D5aSwsGxGxFGG9YAHdtEyn1TGU2sxIwocw NMxTIrLGglM5TdcC9UWsqejYeHAaDRtWpLmuVce8gxLxpbN8CoPYcwETsRGU40po1gT5XTE6Ym8bA LL2zCAR8USC8hX39mC/pKqjEVDrFU6Tyez46igckmUUICw28uJEmHFy2U+Uaw2eDSOLUxsMMc+V13 DkGJdF8tpeP6rH3CgtJNcw==; Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2023 15:50:12 +0200 Message-Id: <83wmu4aajv.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Dan Jacobson In-Reply-To: (message from Dan Jacobson on Sun, 26 Nov 2023 21:28:31 +0800) Subject: Re: bug#67449: Manual: add how to change default global font size in .emacs References: <63f64522726258ee8dbde487a579325c@jidanni.org> <83fs0tawqv.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 67449 Cc: 67449@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2023 21:28:31 +0800 > From: Dan Jacobson > Cc: 67449@debbugs.gnu.org > > OK, so if "emacs' default font size is 10", > there is no way to make it e.g., 15. Yes, there is: see the manual, in the same node where you found the description of the default. There are 5 different ways of doing this described there, two of them are suitable for customizing the font Emacs will use as the default one, and recording that customization once and for all. 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If there is a simple way, to change the default font size, one line that one can put in one's .emacs file, without needing to deal with the customization system, then please mention it, right there, below the line that says emacs's default font size is 10. Thank you. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 26 22:27:39 2023 Received: (at 67449) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Nov 2023 03:27:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43044 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1r7SHa-0005j5-ME for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Nov 2023 22:27:38 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57322) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1r7SHW-0005ip-9g for 67449@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Nov 2023 22:27:37 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r7SHK-0005wG-IS; Sun, 26 Nov 2023 22:27:22 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=tVhZdDCPLjTh0oTsBe1LpWId/mMA6Q8vz7lystA92us=; b=S4BZsDU5K9zs zhBv/5WKdnucpvyGaA3ciu88pdkLniFbHQlS8FYDdbLhF9jCuvSB2FhUr2m2qa9avLECjxnnOUhQ3 8Nzqq/0odM8kSci43w1EooLHAZvcynfVbCHk0BM2nR/hXarjDZgrwPdYPf+lziH3XjaNKgDl6WNOs FdTzAatT3uosEnpyXZOoata1qy+l8dZkVtNyFtjXzllqg9bi1/ZDFxp1yeftpZBOphIIveUM1G+eb foa8uCo8c5J7DfsxcyNrAO/wGeC4lhvzK2jxjnKXb493hQSMS7GEiLzUTMyLCGzhcjEFpUPq6bIKe 1rKt+uXDfKanFvBqI+eOnQ==; Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2023 05:27:05 +0200 Message-Id: <83h6l7anau.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Dan Jacobson In-Reply-To: <83b92d9750b8259a21b54abf7391188c@jidanni.org> (message from Dan Jacobson on Mon, 27 Nov 2023 04:55:29 +0800) Subject: Re: bug#67449: Manual: add how to change default global font size in .emacs References: <63f64522726258ee8dbde487a579325c@jidanni.org> <83fs0tawqv.fsf@gnu.org> <83wmu4aajv.fsf@gnu.org> <83b92d9750b8259a21b54abf7391188c@jidanni.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 67449 Cc: 67449@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2023 04:55:29 +0800 > From: Dan Jacobson > Cc: 67449@debbugs.gnu.org > > Fine. If there is a simple way, to change the default font size, one > line that one can put in one's .emacs file, without needing to deal with > the customization system, then please mention it, right there, below the > line that says emacs's default font size is 10. Thank you. It's already mentioned there. 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Let's say we want it to use 14 point default. > monospace font, We don't care about monospace or not. We just want to make 10 into 14. > and the font size can be changed interactively (*note > Text Scale::). We don't want to change it interactively. We just want to put a line in our .emacs file to change it. > There are several different ways to specify a different font: We don't want to specify a different font. We don't care about the font. We just want to make it use a different size as default. > • Click on ‘Set Default Font’ in the ‘Options’ menu. This makes the > selected font the default on all existing graphical frames. To > save this for future sessions, click on ‘Save Options’ in the > ‘Options’ menu. We don't want to click on anything. Nor do we want to choose a font. We just want to change the default size for emacs of fonts. > > • Add a line to your init file, modifying the variable > ‘default-frame-alist’ to specify the ‘font’ parameter (*note Frame > Parameters::), like this: > > (add-to-list 'default-frame-alist > '(font . "DejaVu Sans Mono-10")) Yes we want to add a line to our .emacs file. But we don't want to have to say some font name. We just want to tell emacs to use "default size 14, not 10". > > This makes the font the default on all graphical frames created > after restarting Emacs with that init file. > > • Add an ‘emacs.font’ X resource setting to your X resource file, > like this: > > emacs.font: DejaVu Sans Mono-12 Again we are forced to name a font. We don't want to name a font. We just want to tell emacs to do what it does, but at scale 14 not 10. Anyway maybe there is a glimmer of hope with some line like -*-*-*-14-*-*-*- or something, but it so frustrating. Whereas in other apps one can just choose a default font size, in emacs ... well you have to go down to the car dealership and learn about muffler types. You can't just tell the rental agency to deliver an economy sized car. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 29 07:47:42 2023 Received: (at 67449) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Nov 2023 12:47:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49076 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1r8Jyf-0002sC-Ie for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Nov 2023 07:47:42 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36608) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1r8Jyc-0002rq-M5 for 67449@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Nov 2023 07:47:40 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r8JyP-0005NX-FZ; Wed, 29 Nov 2023 07:47:25 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=7KZWqoTy9jKJV5Nieg0BcgPTS0n6wbbgavywC648K2Q=; b=fG02D5kRi1LOSr0JtNKO YnDfh/8FfLAbFpdBGh0nz3c1ODgk98rfXpL53Drj8H6msgxwzQwezNdib+ijnZnopPCm1Dn3crf2K ZyF5p/osCR39rLpElRTrwLU4xvaPca5fzrIMGjs751CadT2JLpi0nST8riAUppz11aRPkb26w5s+D o/qyod7i8YJUg8XE2+ecj/t6w/oS85IOp6TzGFddjH1pPWfyl8/Gx9W7xl7pQHXLJC7FB7O7/SvG8 89LWOZIJD3kaTfpxvfe50M3NxxASN45tmGtjNEsei8du24GgBJ0mq0SQ/kYd1S7f0gc32vdbSQgyn QWO8AqWR/aoBEg==; Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2023 14:47:16 +0200 Message-Id: <83plzs7mln.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Dan Jacobson In-Reply-To: <87jzq11cha.7.fsf@jidanni.org> (message from Dan Jacobson on Wed, 29 Nov 2023 11:10:09 +0800) Subject: Re: bug#67449: Manual: add how to change default global font size in .emacs References: <63f64522726258ee8dbde487a579325c@jidanni.org> <83fs0tawqv.fsf@gnu.org> <83wmu4aajv.fsf@gnu.org> <83b92d9750b8259a21b54abf7391188c@jidanni.org> <83h6l7anau.fsf@gnu.org> <87jzq11cha.7.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 67449 Cc: 67449@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Dan Jacobson > Cc: 67449@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2023 11:10:09 +0800 > > In (info "(emacs) Fonts") > > > File: emacs.info, Node: Fonts, Next: Speedbar, Prev: Frame Commands, Up: Frames > > > > 22.8 Fonts > > ========== > > > > By default, Emacs displays text on graphical displays using a 10-point > > 10 point. Let's say we want it to use 14 point default. > > > monospace font, > > We don't care about monospace or not. We just want to make 10 into 14. Monospace is the default, so it doesn't matter whether "we" care or not. > > and the font size can be changed interactively (*note > > Text Scale::). > > We don't want to change it interactively. We just want to put a line in > our .emacs file to change it. > > > There are several different ways to specify a different font: > > We don't want to specify a different font. We don't care about the font. > We just want to make it use a different size as default. So just specify the same font with the different size. Case closed. > > • Add a line to your init file, modifying the variable > > ‘default-frame-alist’ to specify the ‘font’ parameter (*note Frame > > Parameters::), like this: > > > > (add-to-list 'default-frame-alist > > '(font . "DejaVu Sans Mono-10")) > > Yes we want to add a line to our .emacs file. But we don't want to have > to say some font name. We just want to tell emacs to use "default size > 14, not 10". So just specify the same font with the different size. Case closed. > > This makes the font the default on all graphical frames created > > after restarting Emacs with that init file. > > > > • Add an ‘emacs.font’ X resource setting to your X resource file, > > like this: > > > > emacs.font: DejaVu Sans Mono-12 > > Again we are forced to name a font. We don't want to name a font. We > just want to tell emacs to do what it does, but at scale 14 not 10. So just specify the same font with the different size. Case closed. > Anyway maybe there is a glimmer of hope with some line like > -*-*-*-14-*-*-*- or something, but it so frustrating. A two-liner in the init file or a X resource setting cannot be anywhere near frustrating. > Whereas in other apps one can just choose a default font size, in > emacs ... well you have to go down to the car dealership and learn > about muffler types. You can't just tell the rental agency to > deliver an economy sized car. Or you can do the above, which is easy and a no-brainer, really. Case closed. And this bug is also closed. Please accept the decision and stop pushing. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 30 02:23:29 2023 Received: (at 67449) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Nov 2023 07:23:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52113 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1r8bOS-0003ZW-KP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2023 02:23:29 -0500 Received: from mail-lf1-x132.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::132]:44054) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1r8bOH-0003Z3-54 for 67449@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2023 02:23:27 -0500 Received: by mail-lf1-x132.google.com with SMTP id 2adb3069b0e04-50bccc2e3efso538200e87.0 for <67449@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 29 Nov 2023 23:23:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1701328983; x=1701933783; darn=debbugs.gnu.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:user-agent:message-id:date :references:in-reply-to:subject:cc:to:from:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=EBL3hObhr5KmixQyGp9m2Lyi2Vm6sl7RZDr9pj12ufM=; b=D+Z2xkQXvonsfuv0Idkws8G8f94UC924aO43m8BijzikaCSUobP+ok0+A+cO1xMOoo euMqf9pA+yXquWdbjY8cKmWjqHbRvHiREqYn0xajp8R4idDXeNMhsGfQjDSJqoogTLyQ FMMxlrmwW0hR+rWkueurAGwVvA9A25r4ewfAa4PBNZq3n25cLm9os18jTpC6Cin0H7HW nzNxUqvBDCLxMA0G2wdGoK9rBZKzxJE1mylRIgIhN6CfCjF6ptXvYuTnQsFj0xA4GLHZ VkhteGOqSWKDqkcOLQ/7HjVVQNeN2E9X1foHnZtRsJ10WxM2o96x/W4Saf//pvVJWKFK X/cw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1701328983; x=1701933783; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:user-agent:message-id:date :references:in-reply-to:subject:cc:to:from:x-gm-message-state:from :to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=EBL3hObhr5KmixQyGp9m2Lyi2Vm6sl7RZDr9pj12ufM=; b=Gbb9WzK8ZwEv8B39bBSISS22DOnwxpj5XxF3eIpvY6V6HRp3SLTHwPTR6M9gBuHr2t mXbW2lZEoFbCCyITIe/qPrz4XXBvk23AvcGxLMpxZc8q/bZ/eiqBG1jKt6WmBf3/WBVK SZWDBBD4wzIsfUn2bL1ZTKWxAfJNHGKaHudLI/8U0gLhCDpkCLYmy+X3O3+7UEVy0aco QXyvty1coFlZ/eXPVW/gqISr+jQyiTznxRfUNG/nsXtEIur+IPV9UopdKZmOOMyMtsNP 6jPpMZAlnggpDM9ef6hYOntr3itYCg2vZV+nIg35N/hzvMqe0pusyM218l1QTUbxxJmn FYog== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yw4BhOMNr9+6E9sm/rUihV0pZrFWqkYLIZhys8tsUuvoDvee8y7 /3fuAPL2VmcndNFAAHOda4py+t8RA+sBBQ2d X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHx3UbVszFfnfRELf0fYJtMLMrWFi0bhve6XDzB2qsUn/lWD8kK7DUmjEdwIffldlN2VMEItA== X-Received: by 2002:ac2:42d0:0:b0:50b:bb96:d0e1 with SMTP id n16-20020ac242d0000000b0050bbb96d0e1mr5226460lfl.41.1701328982527; Wed, 29 Nov 2023 23:23:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from amdahl30 ([2a01:e0a:253:fe0:2ef0:5dff:fed2:7b49]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id je18-20020a05600c1f9200b003feea62440bsm908125wmb.43.2023.11.29.23.23.01 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 29 Nov 2023 23:23:01 -0800 (PST) From: =?utf-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin_Le_Gouguec?= To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#67449: Manual: add how to change default global font size in .emacs In-Reply-To: <83plzs7mln.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 29 Nov 2023 14:47:16 +0200") References: <63f64522726258ee8dbde487a579325c@jidanni.org> <83fs0tawqv.fsf@gnu.org> <83wmu4aajv.fsf@gnu.org> <83b92d9750b8259a21b54abf7391188c@jidanni.org> <83h6l7anau.fsf@gnu.org> <87jzq11cha.7.fsf@jidanni.org> <83plzs7mln.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2023 08:23:00 +0100 Message-ID: <87msuvhfhn.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 67449 Cc: 67449@debbugs.gnu.org, Dan Jacobson X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> > and the font size can be changed interactively (*note >> > Text Scale::). >>=20 >> We don't want to change it interactively. We just want to put a line in >> our .emacs file to change it. >>=20 >> > There are several different ways to specify a different font: >>=20 >> We don't want to specify a different font. We don't care about the font. >> We just want to make it use a different size as default. > > So just specify the same font with the different size. Case closed. > >> > =E2=80=A2 Add a line to your init file, modifying the variable >> > =E2=80=98default-frame-alist=E2=80=99 to specify the =E2=80=98fon= t=E2=80=99 parameter (*note Frame >> > Parameters::), like this: >> >=20 >> > (add-to-list 'default-frame-alist >> > '(font . "DejaVu Sans Mono-10")) >>=20 >> Yes we want to add a line to our .emacs file. But we don't want to have >> to say some font name. We just want to tell emacs to use "default size >> 14, not 10". > > So just specify the same font with the different size. Case closed. > >> > This makes the font the default on all graphical frames created >> > after restarting Emacs with that init file. >> >=20 >> > =E2=80=A2 Add an =E2=80=98emacs.font=E2=80=99 X resource setting to= your X resource file, >> > like this: >> >=20 >> > emacs.font: DejaVu Sans Mono-12 >>=20 >> Again we are forced to name a font. We don't want to name a font. We >> just want to tell emacs to do what it does, but at scale 14 not 10. > > So just specify the same font with the different size. Case closed. > >> Anyway maybe there is a glimmer of hope with some line like >> -*-*-*-14-*-*-*- or something, but it so frustrating. > > A two-liner in the init file or a X resource setting cannot be > anywhere near frustrating. > >> Whereas in other apps one can just choose a default font size, in >> emacs ... well you have to go down to the car dealership and learn >> about muffler types. You can't just tell the rental agency to >> deliver an economy sized car. > > Or you can do the above, which is easy and a no-brainer, really. Case > closed. And this bug is also closed. Please accept the decision and > stop pushing. FWIW, I've been following this thread because I empathize with Dan in this report: depending on the system I use, emacs -Q gets me either Ubuntu Mono (GNOME/Ubuntu 22.04), Noto Sans Mono (Plasma/Debian 12) or Source Code Pro (Plasma/openSUSE Tumbleweed). In practice I customize Emacs to pick DejaVu Sans Mono in every setup, but that's a decision I take for incidental reasons (character coverage, bold/italic variants); so indeed I happen to > just specify the same font but I can imagine wanting to keep the system's default _family_, yet have a consistent font _size_ across all my setups, in which case having to spell out the font in my dotfiles is a bother. (Granted, the X resource solution cited above might work? Would it work --with-pgtk on Wayland?) (Granted=C2=B2, as soon as each "setup" differs in screen size, resolution, or density, "a consistent font _size_ across all my setups" probably requires bespoke face heights for each setup; still, that does not mean I'd want to mess with the _family_) FWIW=C2=B2, if I were to attempt to "just set the size, ignoring the font" = in my dotfiles, I'd probably go with either ;; (1) (set-face-attribute 'default nil :height my/height) or ;; (2) (let* ((family (face-attribute 'default :family)) (font-desc (format "%s-%s" family my/size))) (add-to-list 'default-frame-alist (cons 'font font-desc))) ? Not saying that's worth documenting, just hoping that'll help Dan sort out his config. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 30 03:40:17 2023 Received: (at 67449) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Nov 2023 08:40:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52217 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1r8can-0005xr-Az for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2023 03:40:17 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58140) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1r8cam-0005xf-1s for 67449@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2023 03:40:16 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r8caY-0000xm-Cm; Thu, 30 Nov 2023 03:40:02 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=sHYC72vTIDDxkXdV+lZIoIIhQgr6Fk1XurOAsV5uVKM=; b=ClOZqbOByV5GcHnvzfps krJpm/SCL+sGs64KpvFV7pD4PxkF6c1URBhTp/TdltIPqv9uf1ZudZt0wsgSlTR50GbRh1+fqmSiY ZjbCkv1npx5C0ZwofMUtkPRK/9L5wlmbylI/Qrk679+hrUpyR0eVjWZ6Z1pB/QrkzzAkzvsKyscKL gIo1i0onqMwueHO5lJGAXxu4HvKfSCqc6KJ8/Da94BzpB+Zkmu6F2E7yaDN3Me6SONL/j5GA6tQtX 9opWHqF35s6GsrtuUrgYFv9rPO074aB+/uit3pP7yZPlSCPqf72R72fsgHCzPEyLi113jGX2P3pRL PV8Qs+/0auMRgg==; Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2023 10:39:55 +0200 Message-Id: <83y1efbpno.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: =?utf-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin?= Le Gouguec In-Reply-To: <87msuvhfhn.fsf@gmail.com> (message from =?utf-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin?= Le Gouguec on Thu, 30 Nov 2023 08:23:00 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#67449: Manual: add how to change default global font size in .emacs References: <63f64522726258ee8dbde487a579325c@jidanni.org> <83fs0tawqv.fsf@gnu.org> <83wmu4aajv.fsf@gnu.org> <83b92d9750b8259a21b54abf7391188c@jidanni.org> <83h6l7anau.fsf@gnu.org> <87jzq11cha.7.fsf@jidanni.org> <83plzs7mln.fsf@gnu.org> <87msuvhfhn.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 67449 Cc: 67449@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Kévin Le Gouguec > Cc: Dan Jacobson , 67449@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2023 08:23:00 +0100 > > > just specify the same font > > but I can imagine wanting to keep the system's default _family_, yet > have a consistent font _size_ across all my setups, in which case having > to spell out the font in my dotfiles is a bother. I don't see why it should be a bother. That same node of the manual says a bit later: To check what font you're currently using, the ‘C-u C-x =’ command can be helpful. It describes the character at point, and names the font that it's rendered in. 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Too bad. P.S., $ emacs -Q -eval "(set-face-attribute 'default nil :height (* 18 6))" tests great! (Except I found I needed to multiply any value I wanted by six, in order to get that value. At least on a Chromebook.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 02 02:42:43 2023 Received: (at 67449) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Dec 2023 07:42:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56589 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1r9KeB-0007PV-Je for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Dec 2023 02:42:43 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59570) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1r9Ke9-0007PH-CM for 67449@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Dec 2023 02:42:42 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r9Kdu-00028F-KQ; Sat, 02 Dec 2023 02:42:26 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=+9HGi/k6uvzMcLwAP25spcLlLQVUWqXtjLDCKtZ3lR0=; b=clvnx/xYJMcx5ae+HYuR hlZzV3EoGTrKuWKVk9PPGeecW6pVAZXnzhQZegCvuw9xoXbtIeZ48d1mmqedGtsyVDKEWVVg5/2qb uFHq7aorUCcP64L6vPXoMNrw8By5Pwhy03iRNULG91KOfqqgD16cHOOvniJ4bgZ0+cHgnu67q0WRP hLVQ7wJvxoizKFbHZ6YUvYykqc7e7g331xloVeeo4BZLkNED6tJv3Gv2+kfc+UTYeTZJbQfZw0jfn QIezlRY8EwG7mclJAC+pJ+plJtSlPRiBi/33DlJiqEe0ZSlRCUPHK940aA/3fmP2uwsEzkj4ayj9Q wsWy8HUBk6jKdA==; Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2023 09:42:25 +0200 Message-Id: <83sf4l82zi.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Dan Jacobson In-Reply-To: <8dc1669f020a6a5ffcf2efd1ff541c18@jidanni.org> (message from Dan Jacobson on Sat, 02 Dec 2023 11:16:14 +0800) Subject: Re: bug#67449: Manual: add how to change default global font size in .emacs References: <63f64522726258ee8dbde487a579325c@jidanni.org> <83fs0tawqv.fsf@gnu.org> <83wmu4aajv.fsf@gnu.org> <83b92d9750b8259a21b54abf7391188c@jidanni.org> <83h6l7anau.fsf@gnu.org> <87jzq11cha.7.fsf@jidanni.org> <83plzs7mln.fsf@gnu.org> <87msuvhfhn.fsf@gmail.com> <83y1efbpno.fsf@gnu.org> <8dc1669f020a6a5ffcf2efd1ff541c18@jidanni.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 67449 Cc: 67449@debbugs.gnu.org, kevin.legouguec@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2023 11:16:14 +0800 > From: Dan Jacobson > Cc: Kévin Le Gouguec , > 67449@debbugs.gnu.org > > So the default size "10" must be buried in the C source code, and if > the user wants to change *it* they must recompile emacs. > Too bad. It isn't too bad, since the default size can be customized, as explained by that section of the manual. > $ emacs -Q -eval "(set-face-attribute 'default nil :height (* 18 6))" > tests great! (Except I found I needed to multiply any value I wanted by > six, in order to get that value. At least on a Chromebook.) The section "Frame Parameters" explains how to do this for the init file. (The section "Fonts", which started this discussion, has a hyper-link to "Frame Parameters".) From unknown Mon Aug 11 12:54:31 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2023 12:24:06 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator