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But in that case please point to / explain where this is explained/defined in the manual. There are multiple functions/commands that have `visual' in their name, and refer to "visual lines". And there is `visual-line-mode', which is not necessarily involved/required for such functions. I haven't found a definition of "visual line" in the manual. But I do see a definition of "screen line", in node `Continuation Lines'. Is "visual line" synonymous with "screen line"? If so, should "visual line" replace "screen line", since there are line-oriented functions with `visual' in their name? Please take a look, and if relevant fix the manual to make this clear. Functions whose doc strings or manual doc refers to "visual line" should be able to be understood by referring to some definition/explanation of "visual line" in the manual. The only index entry matching "visual line" is for node `Visual Line Mode'. The Glossary refers only to "screen lines", not "visual lines" - there's no match for "visual" in the Glossary at all. In GNU Emacs 26.3 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2019-08-29 Repository revision: 96dd0196c28bc36779584e47fffcca433c9309cd Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.19045 Configured using: `configure --without-dbus --host=3Dx86_64-w64-mingw32 --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -static -g3'' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 23 09:58:27 2023 Received: (at 67382-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Nov 2023 14:58:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34573 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1r6B9v-0007el-5y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 09:58:27 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37524) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1r6B9t-0007eZ-QR for 67382-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 09:58:26 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r6B9k-0002Un-0t; Thu, 23 Nov 2023 09:58:16 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=R6p4pg0VOLK8QQR0PPUiYAys9Ngoh6fngDIoorZ8f1A=; b=hcU41jPvmauS OxdTLa9VU2zgu7f0AYlHD1Lj4+nQ+vHnFAHB0IDvyUHaSEDrFNViF5/i53eZeT0zJa2wrFAj0tgRe cuzQAROiU3khtNfesyWnx94FVjJpnn49QgTwCTRumuFMbI250ud5f+6dxxiqqE2OxnkM6QXaxLYX+ GKaWZ5bnDsSFPB4qnhXdoJCfyNzmyFeAbmuyXuZYGGILOq/rFWcvxuxFyEX9i3gM8WItyRWdTWkBa 3T7YULQy+YvBXzil68ZaDEqgMXOo0SgX08BHhKsi8WQc1Xyym3VzddPSL6melt2gt7P+gN3qatvQg v2YX5GVXI4ZqDo4CXngNUg==; Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2023 16:58:09 +0200 Message-Id: <83sf4wfrem.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:56:55 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#67382: 26.3; Emacs manual: clarify notions/names "visual line" and "screen line" References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 67382-done Cc: 67382-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Drew Adams > Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 16:56:55 +0000 > > Close if you don't think this is a bug. But in that case please point > to / explain where this is explained/defined in the manual. > > There are multiple functions/commands that have `visual' in their name, > and refer to "visual lines". And there is `visual-line-mode', which is > not necessarily involved/required for such functions. > > I haven't found a definition of "visual line" in the manual. But I do > see a definition of "screen line", in node `Continuation Lines'. Is > "visual line" synonymous with "screen line"? If so, should "visual line" > replace "screen line", since there are line-oriented functions with > `visual' in their name? > > Please take a look, and if relevant fix the manual to make this clear. > Functions whose doc strings or manual doc refers to "visual line" should > be able to be understood by referring to some definition/explanation of > "visual line" in the manual. The only index entry matching "visual > line" is for node `Visual Line Mode'. The Glossary refers only to > "screen lines", not "visual lines" - there's no match for "visual" in > the Glossary at all. Thanks, I added "visual line" to a few places in the manual (on the emacs-29 branch), and also added an index entry, so readers will now be able to find it quickly. I'm therefore closing this bug. From unknown Sun Jun 22 08:07:19 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2023 12:24:11 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator