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There was a bug that I encountered in a downstream Emacs package relating to setting line-move-visual to nil and running line-move when the package has created overlays on newlines. The maintainer of the package has tracked down the bug to some incorrect behavior in the function move-to-column when overlays are present on newlines. Here's a link to the issue that describes the issue with move-to-column: https://github.com/jdtsmith/indent-bars/issues/22 Thoughts? Thank you! From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 05 01:00:48 2023 Received: (at 66942) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Nov 2023 06:00:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36011 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qzWBj-0005rf-QO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Nov 2023 01:00:48 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51188) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qzWBi-0005rL-BL; Sun, 05 Nov 2023 01:00:46 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qzWB2-0008GD-DV; Sun, 05 Nov 2023 01:00:04 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=SiZozH6B+io1GIOj7Tk4Wze4aPpigipG5BozQtRr/QI=; b=Ti+QNPutGhQKM7lSMf2e 4NUT0h0gmz+FVmmmev7LfqdQ/Ou86X7+WE5qgNz9ffvDNCN5Tzfgi3OhOqiM7OZhDv3erjHF9jKN0 MjTOw60qonIWL2+S9dm1WCPPr5AA6hXg2VGaIT6efJ4v4qrbgfKezYD9pttjh6+Os3UuMcNc3z/rW HkxUcNP3n7ky1JYyjTo5m4tx7mnchOxR1bTA4QRImGxNqIUppn5i/OhNwOQy72572DEanqEGHy34H kVUk0NLi055YPODlEEC8OSe+/mNQAIMOdO929ooXIGQt+YVFZ3jfeB7Smlf3q07jUhoy3FmHg/A8I 6PQmOpk09ZSvcA==; Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2023 07:59:45 +0200 Message-Id: <83cywo4u5q.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Sebastian =?utf-8?Q?W=C3=A5linder?= In-Reply-To: <87zfztkvyq.fsf@nixos.mail-host-address-is-not-set> (message from Sebastian =?utf-8?Q?W=C3=A5linder?= on Sun, 05 Nov 2023 09:14:05 +1100) Subject: Re: bug#66942: move-to-column behavior when newlines have a display property References: <87zfztkvyq.fsf@nixos.mail-host-address-is-not-set> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 66942 Cc: 66942@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) unarchive 64988 forcemerge 66942 64988 thanks > From: Sebastian Wålinder > Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2023 09:14:05 +1100 > > There was a bug that I encountered in a downstream Emacs package relating to setting line-move-visual to nil and running line-move when the package has created overlays on newlines. > > The maintainer of the package has tracked down the bug to some incorrect behavior in the function move-to-column when overlays are present on newlines. > > Here's a link to the issue that describes the issue with move-to-column: > https://github.com/jdtsmith/indent-bars/issues/22 > > Thoughts? It's the intended behavior. It is the best Emacs can do given the limitations posed by such overlay strings, see the detailed explanation in bug#64988. My best recommendation is not to use overlay strings with embedded newlines, if accurate movement by columns is important. 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[24.53.187.34]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t18-20020a0cef52000000b0065b151d5d12sm2684227qvs.126.2023.11.05.09.18.24 for <66942@debbugs.gnu.org> (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 05 Nov 2023 09:18:24 -0800 (PST) From: JD Smith Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.700.6\)) Subject: bug#66942: move-to-column behavior when newlines have a display property Message-Id: Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2023 12:18:12 -0500 To: 66942@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.700.6) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 66942 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: > ...unless someone comes with an idea for how to handle these = situations in a sensible way (and I thought long and hard about it, but = couldn't find such ideas), this will remain a limitation of = move-to-column, and one of the complications introduced by display = strings with embedded newlines in general. Would it not make more sense to place the cursor _before_ the first = character with a `\n` in its replacing-display property, if = move-to-column attempts to move past it? It is true that neither that = position nor a position on a subsequent line is =E2=80=9Ccorrect=E2=80=9D,= but the former at least preserves the expected move-to-column semantics = of =E2=80=9Cstay on this line=E2=80=9D. =20 The final newline is the only place to add display on blank lines, so = this will be a general problem for any package attempting to do that. = Here=E2=80=99s a simple test of this for people wanting to investigate: (progn (insert "\n>>>>\n" (propertize "\n" 'display "xxxxx\n") "SHOULD NOT = MOVE HERE\n<<<<") (forward-line -2) ; at beginning of xxxxx\n line (move-to-column 10)) ; should not move past the line= From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 05 12:48:29 2023 Received: (at 66942) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Nov 2023 17:48:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38126 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qzhEb-0001tT-2B for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Nov 2023 12:48:29 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58150) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qzhEY-0001sc-IK for 66942@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Nov 2023 12:48:27 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qzhDs-0002LB-96; Sun, 05 Nov 2023 12:47:44 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=paJwzAJ/e9Tvwy0qg3HUY8qAHdA/VqyYDQA6rA/0xp4=; b=WHXhadudOP/hgxJpVqcA V0fe+frZqyTLc+whHdAofWuYzFFB5QobLi7JtdeCXDPWqlfYohDC6kRVh+9u7aOCEJcVuIRYs070K e8GX4rNsvpISZ7HiKfS9/RM/+fk8s0vyth7ekera0MQCbHfL5TtWlHBvLMduKJ/Mcr0F73o6YJWAW zaTeBPjcsglyH6aUyzq5GYA7Ruy9MvhqqgYJgfN0byWfvc+oeLOiSiVHhGedQXGIg39S3CZs1Elj3 hFCpmN50OF5Zjv9PevK+PZ1D+/S36XrX03te3jp/Kk4bYu79zZQqVDfw/31Tf4bGKVB3WBPBEAd+P 0jcKgXBT8hhDEg==; Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2023 19:47:27 +0200 Message-Id: <83y1fc2its.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: JD Smith In-Reply-To: (message from JD Smith on Sun, 5 Nov 2023 12:18:12 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#66942: move-to-column behavior when newlines have a display property References: <87zfztkvyq.fsf@nixos.mail-host-address-is-not-set> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 66942 Cc: 66942@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: JD Smith > Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2023 12:18:12 -0500 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > ...unless someone comes with an idea for how to handle these situations in a sensible way (and I thought long and hard about it, but couldn't find such ideas), this will remain a limitation of move-to-column, and one of the complications introduced by display strings with embedded newlines in general. > > Would it not make more sense to place the cursor _before_ the first character with a `\n` in its replacing-display property, if move-to-column attempts to move past it? It is true that neither that position nor a position on a subsequent line is “correct”, but the former at least preserves the expected move-to-column semantics of “stay on this line”. "Stay on this line" has one meaning when the text is displayed in some window and move-to-column is used for positioning the cursors, and another meaning when move-to-column is used as part of a Lisp program where move-to-column is used to move point (where "this line" is generally the line of buffer text). In addition, what you suggest will cause the behavior to change drastically when a newline is added to the display property. Moreover, did you also consider what should current-column return in those cases? These two must work in sync, as much as possible. And finally, when neither behavior is 100% correct, I think we should generally prefer the behavior we had for some time, because any changes in that could break someone's code. Whereas if someone wants the behavior you describe, they can have that for the price of relatively simple changes in their Lisp programs. 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