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From: Andrea Corallo <acorallo <at> gnu.org> To: Alan Mackenzie <acm <at> muc.de> Cc: 66750 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#66750: Unhelpful text in C-h v for variables with a lambda form as value Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2023 16:53:38 -0400
Alan Mackenzie <acm <at> muc.de> writes:
> Hello, Emacs.
>
> Supposing a variable has as a value a lambda function. On doing C-h v
> for this variable, there ensues a useless lack of information about the
> lambda. All one gets told is that it is a lambda function, not where the
> source code for it is, or anything useful like that.
>
> A typical example is C-h v search-default-mode, which prints something
> like the following:
>
> Its value is
> #<subr F616e6f6e796d6f75732d6c616d626461_anonymous_lambda_109>
> Original value was nil
> Local in buffer *info*<3>; global value is nil
>
> .. When native compilation is not enabled, the printout is only slightly
> better.
>
> Merely amongst the customisable options (i.e. not ordinary defvars and
> defconsts) there are approximately 63 places where these options get set
> to lambda functions. The following list lists the file and line number
> where it's done, and the customisable option it gets done to:
>
> ../autorevert.el:471 before-save-hook
> ../emacs-lisp/pp.el:320 temp-buffer-show-function
> ../emulation/viper.el:950 eshell-mode-hook
> ../erc/erc-pcomplete.el:99 pcomplete-default-completion-function
> ../eshell/em-cmpl.el:191 eshell-command-completion-function
> ../eshell/em-cmpl.el:202 eshell-default-completion-function
> ../eshell/em-cmpl.el:280 eshell-mode-hook
> ../eshell/em-prompt.el:50 eshell-prompt-function
> ../eshell/em-smart.el:187 eshell-post-command-hook
> ../gnus/gnus-art.el:3077 gnus-exit-gnus-hook
> ../gnus/gnus-delay.el:150 message-send-hook
> ../gnus/gnus-diary.el:213 gnus-summary-menu-hook
> ../gnus/gnus-diary.el:370 nndiary-request-accept-article-functions
> ../gnus/gnus-draft.el:274 message-post-method
> ../gnus/gnus-msg.el:1145 message-reply-to-function
> ../gnus/gnus-msg.el:387 message-header-setup-hook
> ../gnus/gnus-msg.el:392 message-mode-hook
> ../gnus/gnus-registry.el:1000 gnus-summary-menu-hook
> ../gnus/gnus-sum.el:1321 gnus-alter-articles-to-read-function
> ../gnus/gnus-util.el:1205 iswitchb-make-buflist-hook
> ../gnus/message.el:3157 facemenu-add-face-function
> ../gnus/message.el:701 message-cite-level-function
> ../gnus/nnmairix.el:286 nnmairix-widget-select-window-function
> ../help.el:1946 temp-buffer-max-height
> ../help.el:1963 temp-buffer-max-width
> ../isearch.el:4685 search-default-mode
> ../locate.el:670 locate-make-command-line
> ../mail/emacsbug.el:466 message-sent-hook
> ../mail/emacsbug.el:540 message-send-hook
> ../mail/feedmail.el:1400 feedmail-queue-runner-mode-setter
> ../mail/feedmail.el:1436 feedmail-queue-runner-message-sender
> ../mail/feedmail.el:1457 feedmail-queue-runner-cleaner-upper
> ../net/mairix.el:176 mairix-widget-select-window-function
> ../obsolete/gulp.el:103 mail-setup-hook
> ../org/ob-core.el:1524 org-mode-hook
> ../org/ob-latex.el:101 org-babel-latex-end-env
> ../org/ob-latex.el:79 org-babel-latex-preamble
> ../org/ob-latex.el:90 org-babel-latex-begin-env
> ../org/ob-python.el:208 python-shell-first-prompt-hook
> ../org/ol-bibtex.el:268 org-bibtex-headline-format-function
> ../org/org-compat.el:1272 imenu-after-jump-hook
> ../org/org-compat.el:1276 org-mode-hook
> ../org/org-compat.el:1339 speedbar-visiting-tag-hook
> ../org/org-crypt.el:317 org-mode-hook
> ../org/org-ctags.el:196 org-mode-hook
> ../org/org.el:15220 after-save-hook
> ../org/org.el:18651 occur-mode-find-occurrence-hook
> ../org/org-mouse.el:866 org-mode-hook
> ../org/ox-ascii.el:378 org-ascii-format-drawer-function
> ../org/ox-html.el:657 org-html-format-drawer-function
> ../org/ox-latex.el:888 org-latex-format-drawer-function
> ../org/ox-odt.el:635 org-odt-format-drawer-function
> ../org/ox-texinfo.el:334 org-texinfo-format-drawer-function
> ../pcomplete.el:305 pcomplete-command-completion-function
> ../pcomplete.el:315 pcomplete-default-completion-function
> ../play/gametree.el:118 gametree-make-heading-function
> ../progmodes/cperl-mode.el:1848 add-log-current-defun-function
> ../progmodes/octave.el:607 fill-nobreak-predicate
> ../progmodes/ps-mode.el:108 ps-mode-print-function
> ../vc/add-log.el:1129 fill-nobreak-predicate
> ../vc/emerge.el:2086 temp-buffer-show-function
> ../vc/smerge-mode.el:1358 ediff-quit-hook
> ../window.el:6662 pop-up-frame-function
>
> .. Additionally there are about 29 instances in the doc strings where
> users are urged to use lambda functions (rather than defuns) for this
> purpose. They are at:
>
> ../calendar/calendar.el:395 calendar-move-hook
> ../calendar/cal-tex.el:154 cal-tex-hook
> ../comint.el:189 comint-mode-hook
> ../dired-loaddefs.el:646 dired-mode-hook
> ../dired-x.el:152 dired-mode-hook
> ../erc/erc-log.el:218 erc-enable-logging
> ../erc/erc-page.el:55 erc-page-function
> ../files.el:466 auto-save-visited-predicate
> ../font-lock.el:704 c-mode-hook
> ../gnus/gnus-sum.el:1044 gnus-select-group-hook
> ../gnus/nnmail.el:179 nnmail-expiry-wait-function
> ../gnus/nnmail.el:286 nnmail-read-incoming-hook
> ../gnus/nnmail.el:299 nnmail-read-incoming-hook
> ../icomplete.el:154 icomplete-minibuffer-setup-hook
> ../ido.el:890 ido-minibuffer-setup-hook
> ../ielm.el:63 ielm-mode-hook
> ../ldefs-boot.el:29820 sql-mode-hook
> ../ldefs-boot.el:5069 c-mode-hook
> ../loaddefs.el:29950 sql-mode-hook
> ../loaddefs.el:5069 c-mode-hook
> ../obsolete/nnir.el:415 nnir-notmuch-filter-group-names-function
> ../org/org-keys.el:688 org-use-speed-commands
> ../org/ox-html.el:968 org-html-table-row-open-tag
> ../progmodes/compile.el:885 c-mode-hook
> ../progmodes/prog-mode.el:296 emacs-lisp-mode-hook
> ../progmodes/sql.el:4134 sql-mode-hook
> ../progmodes/sql.el:4256 sql-interactive-mode-hook
> ../textmodes/tildify.el:156 tildify-foreach-region-function
> ../transient.el:278 transient-substitute-key-function
>
> .. Furthermore there are, perhaps, around 150 such settings of ordinary
> defvars or defconsts to lambda functions.
>
> #########################################################################
>
> I see two ways to fix this bug:
> (i) Systematically to replace each of these lambda functions by a named
> defun.
> (ii) To adopt git branch feature/named-lambdas, which attaches to every
> lambda function the name of the defun (or defvar) in which it was
> defined. This extra information could then be printed out for C-h v,
> something like this:
>
> Its value is
> {isearch-fold-quotes-mode} #<subr F616e6f6e796d6f75732d6c616d626461_anonymous_lambda_109>
> Original value was nil
> Local in buffer *info*<3>; global value is nil
>
> , thus enabling the user quickly to locate the source of the lambda form
> in isearch.el.
Hi Alan,
what (if any) do you think are the downsides of option ii?
Thanks
Andrea
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