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I set up nnimap to point to my iCloud mail imap account, started reading mail in Gnus, then set up the Gnus cloud repository there. Everything worked as expected. I quit Gnus multiple times and restarted and everything worked as expected. Then I quit emacs and restarted a few hours later, and found that Gnus would hang on startup while checking for new news. I removed the nnimap lines from init.el and restarted emacs, but it still hanged. I touched .newsrc and Gnus started. I conclude that there is a problem with .newsrc.eld but I don't understand the format well enough to do surgery on it. My theory is that maybe there is some kind of security feature on iCloud mail that is not allowing Gnus access after a time. For now I'm deactivating nnimap and restoring .newsrc.eld from backup which should get me back to normal, but I would appreciate any guidance you may have using Gnus cloud with iCloud. 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Gnus worked very well for me until I decided to try Gnus Cloud to

synchronize news between two computers.  I set up nnimap to point t= o my

iCloud mail imap account, started reading mail in Gnus, then set up the<= o:p>

Gnus cloud repository there.  Everything worked as expected.  = I quit

Gnus multiple times and restarted and everything worked as expected.

 

Then I quit emacs and restarted a few hours later, and found that Gnus

would hang on startup while checking for new news.  I removed the n= nimap

lines from init.el and restarted emacs, but it still hanged.  I tou= ched

.newsrc and Gnus started.  I conclude that there is a problem with<= o:p>

.newsrc.eld but I don't understand the format well enough to do surgery<= o:p>

on it.  My theory is that maybe there is some kind of security feat= ure on

iCloud mail that is not allowing Gnus access after a time.

 

For now I'm deactivating nnimap and restoring .newsrc.eld from backup

which should get me back to normal, but I would appreciate any guidance<= o:p>

you may have using Gnus cloud with iCloud.

 

 

In GNU Emacs 29.1 (build 1, x86_64-pc-cygwin) of 2023-08-02 built on

fv-az1230-315

Repository revision: 4b30826aa1cffa1961d0b337dd3735a541937792=

Repository branch: master

Windowing system distributor 'Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.19045<= /o:p>

Configured using:

'configure

--srcdir=3D/cygdrive/d/a/scallywag/emacs/emacs-29.1-1.x86_64/src/emacs-2= 9.1

--prefix=3D/usr --exec-prefix=3D/usr --localstatedir=3D/var --sysconfdir= =3D/etc

--docdir=3D/usr/share/doc/emacs --htmldir=3D/usr/share/doc/emacs/html -C=

--with-w32 'CFLAGS=3D-ggdb -O2 -pipe -Wall -Werror=3Dformat-security

-Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=3D2 -fstack-protector-strong

--param=3Dssp-buffer-size=3D4

-fdebug-prefix-map=3D/cygdrive/d/a/scallywag/emacs/emacs-29.1-1.x86_64/b= uild=3D/usr/src/debug/emacs-29.1-1

-fdebug-prefix-map=3D/cygdrive/d/a/scallywag/emacs/emacs-29.1-1.x86_64/s= rc/emacs-29.1=3D/usr/src/debug/emacs-29.1-1'

CPPFLAGS=3D LDFLAGS=3D'

 

Configured features:

ACL DBUS GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS HARFBUZZ JPEG JSON LCMS2 LIBXML2 MODULES

NOTIFY GFILENOTIFY PDUMPER PNG SOUND SQLITE3 THREADS TIFF

TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS TREE_SITTER WEBP XIM XPM ZLIB

 

Important settings:

  locale-coding-system: nil

 

Major mode: Fundamental

 

Minor modes in effect:

  pyvenv-mode: t

  electric-cursor-mode: t

  which-key-mode: t

  google-this-mode: t

  delete-selection-mode: t

  TeX-PDF-mode: t

  TeX-source-correlate-mode: t

  server-mode: t

  tooltip-mode: t

  global-eldoc-mode: t

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If you require more details, please reply to 66675@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 66675: https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D66675 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1698085622-23672-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 66675-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Oct 2023 18:26:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51649 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1quzdY-00069Q-HT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2023 14:26:48 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52042) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1quzdV-00069C-BV for 66675-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2023 14:26:47 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1quzcu-0002Ic-MJ; Mon, 23 Oct 2023 14:26:09 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=6nErzB1bUfrT/p72bmvp5dclXTndBES7i1HtN3kCZtc=; b=bPC6PmSRwPiy nMH9HAIQ1SdjSmmuVFAk9ajVw6kiG8Ctskkk0V1voIjYPyRnEhwxHxwGQ0iwC4pmOl5sLFJncRFm9 BTULuIuZMKARzez9SJz/LNSpMgVARQ8hvvNewpsqN78gpCG4TwrIaAs9JjEPR/YpRjOUTCLIRcyqb ZH0QINF8a9gDjpZALMQI2lwom/c1dko3p+1oyYb8z2jvWxLJ0LdPpZBSUTEl3gLpGyky09qd9ZHuj fpE2v5E/gMeORrBoDk8d6Gk2I++66tKon2A9uRlqugUIU7ote4mxaAi51c7RVmxHdyo5qmYw19uxt WoKW3rvJ6McHkhA9VNxUJA==; Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2023 21:26:09 +0300 Message-Id: <83wmvdmbzy.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: "Doolittle, Edward" In-Reply-To: (edoolittle@firstnationsuniversity.ca) Subject: Re: bug#66675: Acknowledgement (29.1; Gnus hangs on startup fetching new news) References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 66675-done Cc: 66675-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: "Doolittle, Edward" > Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2023 13:46:27 +0000 > > Hello, > > I have taken a closer look at the situation, and found that it was a problem with my configuration. I was using init.el instead of ~/.gnus.el to store my configuration and using (eval-region) to test changes to my configuration, which maintained values for some variables from one run to another. > > When I moved configuration to ~/.gnus.el I found that I had made a mistake which was easily rectified. Everything works as expected again. > > I'd like to withdraw or close my bug report. Sorry for the bother. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable *** E-Mail body has been placed on clipboard, please paste it here! *** Gnus worked very well for me until I decided to try Gnus Cloud to synchronize news between two computers. I set up nnimap to point to my iCloud mail imap account, started reading mail in Gnus, then set up the Gnus cloud repository there. Everything worked as expected. I quit Gnus multiple times and restarted and everything worked as expected. Then I quit emacs and restarted a few hours later, and found that Gnus would hang on startup while checking for new news. I removed the nnimap lines from init.el and restarted emacs, but it still hanged. I touched .newsrc and Gnus started. I conclude that there is a problem with .newsrc.eld but I don't understand the format well enough to do surgery on it. My theory is that maybe there is some kind of security feature on iCloud mail that is not allowing Gnus access after a time. For now I'm deactivating nnimap and restoring .newsrc.eld from backup which should get me back to normal, but I would appreciate any guidance you may have using Gnus cloud with iCloud. In GNU Emacs 29.1 (build 1, x86_64-pc-cygwin) of 2023-08-02 built on fv-az1230-315 Repository revision: 4b30826aa1cffa1961d0b337dd3735a541937792 Repository branch: master Windowing system distributor 'Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.19045 Configured using: 'configure --srcdir=3D/cygdrive/d/a/scallywag/emacs/emacs-29.1-1.x86_64/src/emacs-29.1 --prefix=3D/usr --exec-prefix=3D/usr --localstatedir=3D/var --sysconfdir=3D= /etc --docdir=3D/usr/share/doc/emacs --htmldir=3D/usr/share/doc/emacs/html -C --with-w32 'CFLAGS=3D-ggdb -O2 -pipe -Wall -Werror=3Dformat-security -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=3D2 -fstack-protector-strong --param=3Dssp-buffer-size=3D4 -fdebug-prefix-map=3D/cygdrive/d/a/scallywag/emacs/emacs-29.1-1.x86_64/buil= d=3D/usr/src/debug/emacs-29.1-1 -fdebug-prefix-map=3D/cygdrive/d/a/scallywag/emacs/emacs-29.1-1.x86_64/src/= emacs-29.1=3D/usr/src/debug/emacs-29.1-1' CPPFLAGS=3D LDFLAGS=3D' Configured features: ACL DBUS GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS HARFBUZZ JPEG JSON LCMS2 LIBXML2 MODULES NOTIFY GFILENOTIFY PDUMPER PNG SOUND SQLITE3 THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS TREE_SITTER WEBP XIM XPM ZLIB Important settings: locale-coding-system: nil Major mode: Fundamental Minor modes in effect: pyvenv-mode: t electric-cursor-mode: t which-key-mode: t google-this-mode: t delete-selection-mode: t TeX-PDF-mode: t TeX-source-correlate-mode: t server-mode: t tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t show-paren-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t line-number-mode: t indent-tabs-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t Load-path shadows: None found. 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Gnus worked very well for me until I decided to try Gnus Cloud to

synchronize news between two computers.  I set up nnimap to point t= o my

iCloud mail imap account, started reading mail in Gnus, then set up the<= o:p>

Gnus cloud repository there.  Everything worked as expected.  = I quit

Gnus multiple times and restarted and everything worked as expected.

 

Then I quit emacs and restarted a few hours later, and found that Gnus

would hang on startup while checking for new news.  I removed the n= nimap

lines from init.el and restarted emacs, but it still hanged.  I tou= ched

.newsrc and Gnus started.  I conclude that there is a problem with<= o:p>

.newsrc.eld but I don't understand the format well enough to do surgery<= o:p>

on it.  My theory is that maybe there is some kind of security feat= ure on

iCloud mail that is not allowing Gnus access after a time.

 

For now I'm deactivating nnimap and restoring .newsrc.eld from backup

which should get me back to normal, but I would appreciate any guidance<= o:p>

you may have using Gnus cloud with iCloud.

 

 

In GNU Emacs 29.1 (build 1, x86_64-pc-cygwin) of 2023-08-02 built on

fv-az1230-315

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Repository branch: master

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Configured using:

'configure

--srcdir=3D/cygdrive/d/a/scallywag/emacs/emacs-29.1-1.x86_64/src/emacs-2= 9.1

--prefix=3D/usr --exec-prefix=3D/usr --localstatedir=3D/var --sysconfdir= =3D/etc

--docdir=3D/usr/share/doc/emacs --htmldir=3D/usr/share/doc/emacs/html -C=

--with-w32 'CFLAGS=3D-ggdb -O2 -pipe -Wall -Werror=3Dformat-security

-Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=3D2 -fstack-protector-strong

--param=3Dssp-buffer-size=3D4

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-fdebug-prefix-map=3D/cygdrive/d/a/scallywag/emacs/emacs-29.1-1.x86_64/s= rc/emacs-29.1=3D/usr/src/debug/emacs-29.1-1'

CPPFLAGS=3D LDFLAGS=3D'

 

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emacs)

 

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--_000_YQXPR01MB5865C989B233345A7A0856B3C5DAAYQXPR01MB5865CANP_-- ------------=_1698085622-23672-1-- From unknown Sun Sep 07 17:04:51 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#66675: 29.1; Gnus hangs on startup fetching new news Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2023 13:03:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 66675 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "Doolittle, Edward" , Eric Abrahamsen , Andrew G Cohen Cc: 66675@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 66675-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B66675.169823897428134 (code B ref 66675); Wed, 25 Oct 2023 13:03:01 +0000 Received: (at 66675) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Oct 2023 13:02:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57688 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qvdXB-0007Jh-Id for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 09:02:53 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43078) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qvdXA-0007JP-Kt for 66675@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 09:02:53 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qvdWa-0001pB-Bi; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 09:02:16 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=wFVKnLnaqGwmaKF+a4Ar+Nd6pYz/KMY1bAXz9QKSATc=; b=gUqS2DurI5iC qXL4+2+KR+Jfg3UmbBe4iLRevO9dVvOnvQM8Frl5Mu/Op19SsxTUgrLV2jbIv5jcEU0zRmkIsCmij CbYCkkwOYeLislprbDxVhKnFKvjWsB/YjKxaK0fR7kJK2lAYPt0DxTPpjJOhgSzalo44/TGYjXcMX nP8l1c6np8g1TAiYD+xSo5A7DgyZdupNPbrof+yupH5+TUfLx0dOyorQwEJmjoE7ABjB3/Mw3tGgP qXqM5kczWgaj7TMAtOwHOAcp3QHBVBJxFpqPzS3AB3n/VYDasl4+2O+pNaPM7fvlwWwEQ5EcPEXRj nYNLNHO3Ut1Ykb4edxTLTA==; Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2023 16:02:22 +0300 Message-Id: <837cnakg81.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (edoolittle@firstnationsuniversity.ca) References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: "Doolittle, Edward" > Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2023 21:37:20 +0000 > > Gnus worked very well for me until I decided to try Gnus Cloud to > synchronize news between two computers. I set up nnimap to point to my > iCloud mail imap account, started reading mail in Gnus, then set up the > Gnus cloud repository there. Everything worked as expected. I quit > Gnus multiple times and restarted and everything worked as expected. > > Then I quit emacs and restarted a few hours later, and found that Gnus > would hang on startup while checking for new news. I removed the nnimap > lines from init.el and restarted emacs, but it still hanged. I touched > .newsrc and Gnus started. I conclude that there is a problem with > .newsrc.eld but I don't understand the format well enough to do surgery > on it. My theory is that maybe there is some kind of security feature on > iCloud mail that is not allowing Gnus access after a time. > > For now I'm deactivating nnimap and restoring .newsrc.eld from backup > which should get me back to normal, but I would appreciate any guidance > you may have using Gnus cloud with iCloud. Eric and Andrew, could you please look into this? From unknown Sun Sep 07 17:04:51 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#66675: 29.1; Gnus hangs on startup fetching new news Resent-From: Eric Abrahamsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2023 14:02:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 66675 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 66675@debbugs.gnu.org, "Doolittle, Edward" , Andrew G Cohen Received: via spool by 66675-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B66675.169824248614067 (code B ref 66675); Wed, 25 Oct 2023 14:02:01 +0000 Received: (at 66675) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Oct 2023 14:01:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59720 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qveRq-0003ep-Hn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 10:01:26 -0400 Received: from mail.ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:39720) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qveRo-0003ec-LB for 66675@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 10:01:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (71-212-21-65.tukw.qwest.net [71.212.21.65]) (Authenticated sender: eric@ericabrahamsen.net) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7A766FA151; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 14:00:46 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ericabrahamsen.net; s=mail; t=1698242446; bh=2fffxwhYqH5qEtkPtngJb5r4N4O4aQZOeKTYlSZuB6Q=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=Dfn24d9ZlzDM913vzJluV5qzFrK3IDppBOxpzwQ0Hvc/cT9Ca14Xw3HSEwxm763IY G/hM6+Vow+ziW2T9x4bTP3hXEBBonDxhP9Sbcf7xpwBm9Uc+vqDyyvCVzy9AHfBtkH YYqfXeVHCnlGOJYwHlyK1Mc7IZq5fsItxvRlIBWM= From: Eric Abrahamsen In-Reply-To: <837cnakg81.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 25 Oct 2023 16:02:22 +0300") References: <837cnakg81.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2023 07:00:44 -0700 Message-ID: <87h6merecz.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: "Doolittle, Edward" >> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2023 21:37:20 +0000 >> >> Gnus worked very well for me until I decided to try Gnus Cloud to >> synchronize news between two computers. I set up nnimap to point to my >> iCloud mail imap account, started reading mail in Gnus, then set up the >> Gnus cloud repository there. Everything worked as expected. I quit >> Gnus multiple times and restarted and everything worked as expected. >> >> Then I quit emacs and restarted a few hours later, and found that Gnus >> would hang on startup while checking for new news. I removed the nnimap >> lines from init.el and restarted emacs, but it still hanged. I touched >> .newsrc and Gnus started. I conclude that there is a problem with >> .newsrc.eld but I don't understand the format well enough to do surgery >> on it. My theory is that maybe there is some kind of security feature on >> iCloud mail that is not allowing Gnus access after a time. >> >> For now I'm deactivating nnimap and restoring .newsrc.eld from backup >> which should get me back to normal, but I would appreciate any guidance >> you may have using Gnus cloud with iCloud. > > Eric and Andrew, could you please look into this? Edward later wrote to say it was a config error, and I think you've already closed the report! From unknown Sun Sep 07 17:04:51 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#66675: 29.1; Gnus hangs on startup fetching new news Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2023 14:18:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 66675 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eric Abrahamsen Cc: 66675@debbugs.gnu.org, edoolittle@firstnationsuniversity.ca, cohen@andy.bu.edu Received: via spool by 66675-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B66675.169824347425611 (code B ref 66675); Wed, 25 Oct 2023 14:18:02 +0000 Received: (at 66675) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Oct 2023 14:17:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59749 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qvehm-0006f1-Bs for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 10:17:54 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46338) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qvehj-0006en-UQ for 66675@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 10:17:53 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qveh9-0000Ul-RP; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 10:17:15 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=hW4zSPyeVb3JfrNCCp8rbMwQXSF7UQCoXQtp8Im8Zkw=; b=cccbds+5yq18 2LuAhuZaONXBb4zS8QhDgXfXYyTxmqOswvlUrhVyAJuR533Vk09KmFodnUUq1y7hKInfaiiIU1PlB IpZ8RDdCVaYADwpO3eux7GC18wyu+dL3Ei9mif5ftFHWG7w8OqAY7tgcxJN9+UPaPnTNWl9T7t8Wt Td156HXYVkMlgj+Icd3p0xO8OnS/lYX3oT76MdtCct/6RoM9OE2REb++HNgK6mMuuhTXiFDfHBYie Rq+gca+AWTaf+z2MP1fl8L5rn3qZKooSla9DARCez9v0rXNHzi2u8JjxmwRcz+VMTXaCTbbohUzKj U6yyIdS8CBuuTYfnSlzd9w==; Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2023 17:17:22 +0300 Message-Id: <83sf5yiy6l.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <87h6merecz.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> (message from Eric Abrahamsen on Wed, 25 Oct 2023 07:00:44 -0700) References: <837cnakg81.fsf@gnu.org> <87h6merecz.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Eric Abrahamsen > Cc: "Doolittle, Edward" , Andrew G > Cohen , 66675@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2023 07:00:44 -0700 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Eric and Andrew, could you please look into this? > > Edward later wrote to say it was a config error, and I think you've > already closed the report! Oops.