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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2023 00:23:38 +0200 Message-ID: X-Mailer: git-send-email 2.41.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Debbugs-Cc: Maxim Cournoyer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.111.4.27; envelope-from=clement@lassieur.org; helo=out3-smtp.messagingengine.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: =?UTF-8?q?Cl=C3=A9ment=20Lassieur?= X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.3 (/) * etc/git/gitconfig: Remove the default email address to avoid mistakes that could lead to send private patches to guix-patches@gnu.org. --- This just happened to me twice in a row, so I imagine it could happen to some other people as well. etc/git/gitconfig | 1 - 1 file changed, 1 deletion(-) diff --git a/etc/git/gitconfig b/etc/git/gitconfig index 907ad0180454..3e94fe801e90 100644 --- a/etc/git/gitconfig +++ b/etc/git/gitconfig @@ -13,6 +13,5 @@ rebase = true [sendemail] - to = guix-patches@gnu.org headerCmd = etc/teams.scm cc-members-header-cmd thread = no base-commit: de8cf1b50277bd5bc47397011b1669ada1b46e9d -- 2.41.0 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 18 21:35:22 2023 Received: (at 66618) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2023 01:35:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35158 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qtHwY-0000Z8-6c for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2023 21:35:22 -0400 Received: from mail-yw1-x112d.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::112d]:51639) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qtHwV-0000Yw-U2 for 66618@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2023 21:35:21 -0400 Received: by mail-yw1-x112d.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-5a7cc03dee5so91505297b3.3 for <66618@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 18 Oct 2023 18:34:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1697679288; x=1698284088; darn=debbugs.gnu.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:user-agent:message-id:date :references:in-reply-to:subject:cc:to:from:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=vCUg+/4EIGf8PPdtjm7fMX0Y+B3Wd+EhQ8wmyHlbRvI=; b=kvqZBw3wrI4T7XPG+vSF7OgnTtgasOBp2p81g7P9C7jvjDyYUq4IG+N+yYfz0+9v02 tK/7soVGGQPxMCdIckNCEaoCByCeeFBwe1EoSzQDEuEjlh/L8fRukCB/wiNGLBEQUryq JbeYmKflWqadfRReFu9cGkakTPP2ptgC8NaujtK0GVhSkTouFJERwuC1SHDlQ9kzxS23 QN/sqa1kolF07y1O7VSIEpVtYyn9zWeKDrdZNGE93lJs6qtwtAXGxumSuZKTAC0LJOPs bV3Ixb6Mp64ZOi9vEOCnTe1RlvXk0veS6xLRmEA24ryohWYrIJigrfgIkGryvNH+WIO8 72pg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1697679288; x=1698284088; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:user-agent:message-id:date :references:in-reply-to:subject:cc:to:from:x-gm-message-state:from :to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=vCUg+/4EIGf8PPdtjm7fMX0Y+B3Wd+EhQ8wmyHlbRvI=; b=b0JZxmZINhsrnv20/77g6GUETr3qT/0LZHCGdGmEIDrHY719ovOkUtHTfECh7mVTbL ajg94UZNEOVVZc4E1woZIMkxuywn8WvUz+fMcrUqBpPTBzL4I+xOxJ3LBiFZtCCMkWtt qgL9y5mTIAr6yFAtnSjrkjnKH+SMg1Vp++uX2gU3cz1IX2sUUyil2R8dxKSRHLLTcto2 FiP3oXhwmTyAnER4JjotO3uUc7BZoYqW0y3Er9L7xzDzRuD7aPrNlaeJ1CITBWs/MKwZ JQdXlnRTZiclNAxZxesjDT13J9WRQErVSGuqzLMgxY0kvauiyJQ8lk6pRxprhG9KU81G cBbQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwHsxuuOxvacImMdzYl22RLwpW7dQ4kNUXup+zKyZrQtr09PWJc 2AiV6FpX1OdH9UtXIlaF8EGnt4XqpmU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFi3+Y3tA9EfkAjiIdw8rK0q/1TXiYt0YNtlT8fVqK8nLoEl6V5W+4xIXiRm8c2Q2hC9TfZlQ== X-Received: by 2002:a0d:d0c2:0:b0:5a7:be29:19ac with SMTP id s185-20020a0dd0c2000000b005a7be2919acmr924938ywd.12.1697679287697; Wed, 18 Oct 2023 18:34:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hurd (dsl-155-177.b2b2c.ca. [66.158.155.177]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id fb6-20020ad44f06000000b0065b21b232bfsm401967qvb.138.2023.10.18.18.34.46 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 18 Oct 2023 18:34:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Maxim Cournoyer To: =?utf-8?Q?Cl=C3=A9ment?= Lassieur Subject: Re: [bug#66618] [PATCH] etc: gitconfig: Remove the default email address to avoid mistakes. In-Reply-To: (=?utf-8?Q?=22Cl=C3=A9ment?= Lassieur"'s message of "Thu, 19 Oct 2023 00:23:38 +0200") References: Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2023 21:34:45 -0400 Message-ID: <87y1fzqtsa.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 66618 Cc: 66618@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Cl=C3=A9ment, Cl=C3=A9ment Lassieur writes: > * etc/git/gitconfig: Remove the default email address to avoid mistakes t= hat > could lead to send private patches to guix-patches@gnu.org. > --- > > This just happened to me twice in a row, so I imagine it could happen to = some > other people as well. > > etc/git/gitconfig | 1 - > 1 file changed, 1 deletion(-) > > diff --git a/etc/git/gitconfig b/etc/git/gitconfig > index 907ad0180454..3e94fe801e90 100644 > --- a/etc/git/gitconfig > +++ b/etc/git/gitconfig > @@ -13,6 +13,5 @@ > rebase =3D true >=20=20 > [sendemail] > - to =3D guix-patches@gnu.org > headerCmd =3D etc/teams.scm cc-members-header-cmd > thread =3D no Having guix-patches@gnu.org as the default endpoint of 'git send-email' seems reasonable when working on the Guix checkout. 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In-Reply-To: (=?utf-8?Q?=22Cl=C3=A9ment?= Lassieur"'s message of "Thu, 19 Oct 2023 00:23:38 +0200") References: Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2023 21:36:42 -0400 Message-ID: <87pm1bqtp1.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 66618 Cc: 66618@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Cl=C3=A9ment, Cl=C3=A9ment Lassieur writes: > * etc/git/gitconfig: Remove the default email address to avoid mistakes t= hat > could lead to send private patches to guix-patches@gnu.org. > --- > > This just happened to me twice in a row, so I imagine it could happen to = some > other people as well. That's part of learning 'git send-email', I'd think :-). 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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94efe9d0fc2f4a52b02d7575e346d83e X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 66618 Cc: 66618@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) --94efe9d0fc2f4a52b02d7575e346d83e Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > This just happened to me twice in a row, so I imagine it could happe= n to some > > other people as well. >=20 > That's part of learning 'git send-email', I'd think :-). On a positive > note, now you get to learn how to use Debbugs for the same price ;-). People don't expect their git/config to be modified in such substantial = ways. It's already difficult for new comers to use git send-email well,= please don't make it harder. (And I'm not even talking about the crash= .) There this git send-email feature: > The header of the email is configurable via command-line option= s. If not specified on the command line, the user will be prompted with = a ReadLine enabled interface to provide the necessary information. that has been removed with your patch. I call this a bug. I prefer the "wontfix" tag if you really don't want to amend your patch.= :-) Thanks, Cl=C3=A9ment --94efe9d0fc2f4a52b02d7575e346d83e Content-Type: text/html;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

> This just happened t= o me twice in a row, so I imagine it could happen to some
= > other people as well.

That's part of l= earning 'git send-email', I'd think :-).  On a positive
note, now you get to learn how to use Debbugs for the same price ;-).=

People don't expect their git= /config to be modified in such substantial ways.  It's already diff= icult for new comers to use git send-email well, please don't make = it harder.  (And I'm not even talking about the crash.)

There this git send-email feature:

<= /div>
      = The header of the email is configurable via command-line options. If no= t specified on the command line, the user will be prompted with a ReadLi= ne enabled interface to provide the necessary information.

that has been removed with your patch. = ; I call this a bug.

I prefer the "wontfix"= tag if you really don't want to amend your patch. :-)
Thanks,
Cl=C3=A9ment
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Having guix-patches@gnu.org as the default endpo= int of 'git send-email'
seems reasonable when working on t= he Guix checkout.  From my
perspective, it is a usefu= l default to me at least, so without more
information as t= o how that happened, I'm inclined to close this as notabug
:-).

Here is the information = about what happened:

I used --reply-to inst= ead of --to.

This should have happen to tel= l me about my mistake:

To whom should the emails be sent (if anyone)?
(plus readline prompt)

But nothing = happened and the mail went to gu= ix-patches@gnu.org.

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[66.158.156.111]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ph5-20020a0562144a4500b0064f43efc844sm315196qvb.32.2023.10.19.18.54.39 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 19 Oct 2023 18:54:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Maxim Cournoyer To: =?utf-8?Q?Cl=C3=A9ment?= Lassieur Subject: Re: [bug#66618] [PATCH] etc: gitconfig: Remove the default email address to avoid mistakes. In-Reply-To: (=?utf-8?Q?=22Cl=C3=A9ment?= Lassieur"'s message of "Thu, 19 Oct 2023 09:37:20 +0000") References: <87pm1bqtp1.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2023 21:54:38 -0400 Message-ID: <87zg0em529.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 66618 Cc: 66618@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi, Cl=C3=A9ment Lassieur writes: >> > This just happened to me twice in a row, so I imagine it could happen = to some >> > other people as well. >>=20 >> That's part of learning 'git send-email', I'd think :-). On a positive >> note, now you get to learn how to use Debbugs for the same price ;-). > > People don't expect their git/config to be modified in such > substantial ways. It's already difficult for new comers to use git > send-email well, please don't make it harder. (And I'm not even > talking about the crash.) > > There this git send-email feature: > >> The header of the email is configurable via command-line >> options. If not specified on the command line, the user will be >> prompted with a ReadLine enabled interface to provide the necessary >> information. > > that has been removed with your patch. I call this a bug. One could argue it's also a misleading documentation. It should say if a 'to' address is not specified *or* configured. What would you have typed interactively if prompted; guix-patches@gnu.org? :-) I think you might grow to like this default after this initial mishap. > I prefer the "wontfix" tag if you really don't want to amend your patch. = :-) OK! I'll leave this opened for a bit longer to allow for others to tip in, after which I'll do so. --=20 Thanks, Maxim From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 20 04:43:19 2023 Received: (at 66618) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Oct 2023 08:43:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38599 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qtl6E-00079d-Ku for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2023 04:43:19 -0400 Received: from wout1-smtp.messagingengine.com ([64.147.123.24]:46129) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qtl69-00079K-6Z for 66618@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 Oct 2023 04:43:16 -0400 Received: from compute5.internal (compute5.nyi.internal [10.202.2.45]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id E02EC3200A1B; Fri, 20 Oct 2023 04:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute5.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 20 Oct 2023 04:42:40 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lassieur.org; h= cc:cc:content-type:content-type:date:date:from:from:in-reply-to :in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to:sender :subject:subject:to:to; s=fm2; t=1697791359; x=1697877759; bh=8M eydAWkMMkNMi8unod25StZ6v6vsPHV4+mAytZE63w=; b=SNhg0V/awATzUE52xn zjdI8V/Og6wOZEKHEr4gAtY7BzFApvuKSkFRM2rxzLzAtYOyRijUppLZaJ5/sx4O YJelx2lDE5FOSG9jxE4P82mAHnaEkHQiWXjOTfuVkq+IWmkIjOWgtty+F+aD8L2X IsRsnggGC67qPUYsaeqSuOuGCKnfouLWqRg6e0TEWw7RfZo0jIKYZ6RyTtPGpi6S 32Jch8Ajy+KCoSXDKpnbMkKcFaIyuzvG1zArE0tbzECJH4SsbuTND+Lq3VE3X+B0 5vjif+USva15uPFYhKn21jZXdOur1kbyiTJbBGdjXauXMNJ9Pc41Wz2+N7baTVKu lXng== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-type:content-type:date:date :feedback-id:feedback-id:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to:sender:subject :subject:to:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; t=1697791359; x=1697877759; bh=8MeydAWkMMkNM i8unod25StZ6v6vsPHV4+mAytZE63w=; b=d1miagTD+WZkrTuLES2eU3TrY+wHz SQRA0ULhb15l4iQj2FVFWzYNB1u5yenrqfAVsuKbQLQ71SXDz8a0fi0KzAobPhlk WiF9ITpr7EdD4eHaJaL+lCySbIXxQRNVR1XWAubbiYWLO+OG1ATbSDucMQcCNGw6 bdL+UmjaAPWagA0ijYNH8CJeuBB/6OGIJXiGf4ZPEr9+rIbqaPEBw+k9szD0g9yl ZZNOm4d1rWfDWrTCs9qbgwvJbtU9mgmxsspmXFrtdVsX1cpx35pwHzDeJKrLj2f8 PjrK4AnJ/RQ3xCp24/hDgvsaPHn5zr6XILVZaWC9uLOFzZd7aSpOtav3Q== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvkedrjeekgddtiecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenuc fjughrpefhvfevufgjfhffkfgfgggtsehttdertddtreejnecuhfhrohhmpeevlhormhgv nhhtucfnrghsshhivghurhcuoegtlhgvmhgvnhhtsehlrghsshhivghurhdrohhrgheqne cuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepveejleejhfeltdehudekjefhkeeugfelgfdtvdduteevleej keduvedthfdtgfffnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilh hfrhhomheptghlvghmvghntheslhgrshhsihgvuhhrrdhorhhg X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: i4c21472a:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Fri, 20 Oct 2023 04:42:38 -0400 (EDT) From: =?utf-8?Q?Cl=C3=A9ment_Lassieur?= To: Maxim Cournoyer Subject: Re: [bug#66618] [PATCH] etc: gitconfig: Remove the default email address to avoid mistakes. In-Reply-To: <87zg0em529.fsf@gmail.com> (Maxim Cournoyer's message of "Thu, 19 Oct 2023 21:54:38 -0400") References: <87pm1bqtp1.fsf@gmail.com> <87zg0em529.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2023 10:42:36 +0200 Message-ID: <87edhpznur.fsf@lassieur.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 66618 Cc: 66618@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Maxim Cournoyer writes: >>> The header of the email is configurable via command-line >>> options. If not specified on the command line, the user will be >>> prompted with a ReadLine enabled interface to provide the necessary >>> information. >> >> that has been removed with your patch. I call this a bug. > > One could argue it's also a misleading documentation. It should say if > a 'to' address is not specified *or* configured. What would you have > typed interactively if prompted; guix-patches@gnu.org? :-) I think you > might grow to like this default after this initial mishap. I would have typed the correct bug number, the one I passed to --reply-to instead of --to. What problem does it solve anyway? People that are too lazy to type the address? (Most people automate this) What problem does it create? The tool doesn't behave like people expect. That's some unwanted magic. >> I prefer the "wontfix" tag if you really don't want to amend your patch. :-) > > OK! I'll leave this opened for a bit longer to allow for others to tip > in, after which I'll do so. 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In-Reply-To: <87zg0em529.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87pm1bqtp1.fsf@gmail.com> <87zg0em529.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2023 16:06:59 +0200 Message-ID: <87cyx9mlq4.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 66618 Cc: 66618@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Maxim, On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 at 21:54, Maxim Cournoyer w= rote: > One could argue it's also a misleading documentation. It should say if > a 'to' address is not specified *or* configured.=20=20 Well, personally I prefer: =C2=AB Explicit is better than implicit. =C2=BB = and =C2=AB=C2=A0Errors should never pass silently. Unless explicitly silenced.= =C2=BB. Here, the default [sendemail] to =3D guix-patches@gnu.org makes something implicit =E2=80=93 which is not necessary bad =E2=80=93 but= it hides potential errors =E2=80=93 which is not good. IIUC, Cl=C3=A9ment use-case is the following: git send-email --reply-to=3D12345@debbugs.gnu.org v2-0001-blabla.patch which is an incorrect use of git-send-email. Because of the default value =E2=80=99sendemail.to=E2=80=99 from .git/confi= g, the patch v2-0001-blabla.patch is sent to guix-patches@gnu.org. At best, Cl=C3=A9ment spots that and merges the new created issue with #12345. At worse, it falls into the crack. In all cases, it is burden. Without the default value, the mistake is directly pointed out; git-send-email asks the value for To: since no one is provided. With the default value, it does not teach how to correctly use git-send-email and worse it hides the incorrect usage. > What would you have > typed interactively if prompted; guix-patches@gnu.org? :-) Yes, but it teaches me that I must provide the To: field. Well, I do not see which difficulty the default value solves. However, I see which difficulty it introduces. :-) > OK! I'll leave this opened for a bit longer to allow for others to tip > in, after which I'll do so. Somehow, I think Cl=C3=A9ment=E2=80=99s suggestion seems more POLA. 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In-Reply-To: <87cyx9mlq4.fsf@gmail.com> (Simon Tournier's message of "Fri, 20 Oct 2023 16:06:59 +0200") References: <87pm1bqtp1.fsf@gmail.com> <87zg0em529.fsf@gmail.com> <87cyx9mlq4.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2023 11:44:39 -0400 Message-ID: <87y1fxguxk.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 66618 Cc: 66618@debbugs.gnu.org, =?utf-8?Q?Cl=C3=A9ment?= Lassieur X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Simon, Simon Tournier writes: > Hi Maxim, > > On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 at 21:54, Maxim Cournoyer = wrote: > >> One could argue it's also a misleading documentation. It should say if >> a 'to' address is not specified *or* configured.=20=20 > > Well, personally I prefer: =C2=AB Explicit is better than implicit. =C2= =BB and > =C2=AB=C2=A0Errors should never pass silently. Unless explicitly silence= d. =C2=BB. > > Here, the default > > [sendemail] > to =3D guix-patches@gnu.org > > makes something implicit =E2=80=93 which is not necessary bad =E2=80=93 b= ut it hides > potential errors =E2=80=93 which is not good. But that's true for any automation of git. If we follow that logic we can remove the other git configurations because they may be surprising, and the send-email hook that notifies people, because that can again be surprising. Obviously, I'd rather not go that slope. The small cost in surprise is offset by removing manual work for myself and I'd expect/hope other committers. Does that make sense? --=20 Thanks, Maxim From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Oct 22 16:55:54 2023 Received: (at 66618) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Oct 2023 20:55:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48426 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qufUI-00034r-I0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2023 16:55:54 -0400 Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.25]:37993) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qufUE-00034c-En for 66618@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 22 Oct 2023 16:55:52 -0400 Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0347E5C021B; Sun, 22 Oct 2023 16:55:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 22 Oct 2023 16:55:16 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lassieur.org; h= cc:cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:content-type:date :date:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :references:reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to; s=fm2; t= 1698008115; x=1698094515; bh=fpo0Gh0wlHVdWwzKAptDcTHmhr7WYCX91B/ hJ2FqZiI=; b=Bxnz9wbv8hxBR0afPLr4GgkNANvTsrpe36Jcpd8nmo7D2XiQstB TB6IQ6EEQL2Ej1qSsj84+imhXnPb4XIbpKPdujALIwVCX6B8+iUTLFyEXHHR0BZe rsB0f5Sm/cWPBmRjkj/ygU44cMZJH1Z77T2qeYil0lFg5oXD5DwYqkUmyvBzixJm 9Qz1KnmA4+FdipCmGHo7ZvFxisD0q5jEGaOSSvFEg122zlWhRucJHT1ICEjsG48+ bWmwAnZe8UVZNJLFhSDY2OBZeQfjE13FOy4IMhF+/hk5XYLyqG78IXpuHCORBShs MThwZ4129Cc4WkKF+PmmZeF9YwITzu89KXg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:content-type:date:date:feedback-id:feedback-id :from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :references:reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; t= 1698008115; x=1698094515; bh=fpo0Gh0wlHVdWwzKAptDcTHmhr7WYCX91B/ hJ2FqZiI=; b=rfkUEZ1i0Vw/CWMiBU1sBWeBZw6zZHLj0Wbo51ctBnZHyhwQYAf AYV5MEmsR5r+Nc1MNLJVTj/EYEFEK424TkSHBmxt5bbxox/LP3mgwUqXiyxkXifV VheWdiBghfIwh8I1op6jXJ2Aea8ke3qtMMIv50V9lCvMQ2ulVZ29hGTmcRpVQBxo NBFBAdaSUaIPmSl9WxNqcBnGSCgK92e40XSWiAaV6B1y0jeh2dMvePSHyJNxscAc O0XIbqRLsbp0Vq7NhixZy09VwOGhbDhqwsM42PBcct5P1EK3EQRBoWo6h1tCQe6x 993zYmot2MHTu3ZR6j+mox+GOWXdYjU4DtA== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvkedrkeeggdeigecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenuc fjughrpefhvfevufgjfhffkfgfgggtgfesthhqredttderjeenucfhrhhomhepvehlrohm vghnthcunfgrshhsihgvuhhruceotghlvghmvghntheslhgrshhsihgvuhhrrdhorhhgqe enucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeeivdevgeeivdduuefgjeeliedtvdetfeekjedvgefhieeg feevlefftefggfdtvdenucffohhmrghinhepghhithdqshgtmhdrtghomhenucevlhhush htvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpegtlhgvmhgvnhhtsehl rghsshhivghurhdrohhrgh X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: i4c21472a:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Sun, 22 Oct 2023 16:55:14 -0400 (EDT) From: =?utf-8?Q?Cl=C3=A9ment_Lassieur?= To: Maxim Cournoyer Subject: Re: [bug#66618] [PATCH] etc: gitconfig: Remove the default email address to avoid mistakes. In-Reply-To: <87y1fxguxk.fsf@gmail.com> (Maxim Cournoyer's message of "Fri, 20 Oct 2023 11:44:39 -0400") References: <87pm1bqtp1.fsf@gmail.com> <87zg0em529.fsf@gmail.com> <87cyx9mlq4.fsf@gmail.com> <87y1fxguxk.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2023 22:55:12 +0200 Message-ID: <87mswav0lr.fsf@lassieur.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 66618 Cc: 66618@debbugs.gnu.org, Simon Tournier X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Maxim Cournoyer writes: > Hi Simon, > > Simon Tournier writes: > >> Hi Maxim, >> >> On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 at 21:54, Maxim Cournoyer wrote: >> >>> One could argue it's also a misleading documentation. It should say if >>> a 'to' address is not specified *or* configured.=20=20 >> >> Well, personally I prefer: =C2=AB Explicit is better than implicit. =C2= =BB and >> =C2=AB=C2=A0Errors should never pass silently. Unless explicitly silenc= ed. =C2=BB. >> >> Here, the default >> >> [sendemail] >> to =3D guix-patches@gnu.org >> >> makes something implicit =E2=80=93 which is not necessary bad =E2=80=93 = but it hides >> potential errors =E2=80=93 which is not good. > > But that's true for any automation of git. If we follow that logic we > can remove the other git configurations because they may be surprising, > and the send-email hook that notifies people, because that can again be > surprising. Some automation is fine (although maybe not necessary) because it's about things we want to enforce (like signed commits). > Obviously, I'd rather not go that slope. The small cost in surprise is > offset by removing manual work for myself and I'd expect/hope other > committers. Does that make sense? I don't think there is a need for `--to` automation in Guix repo because it's something the user can automate in their own ~/.gitconfig (with `includeIf`[0]). 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In-Reply-To: <87mswav0lr.fsf@lassieur.org> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Cl=C3=A9ment?= Lassieur"'s message of "Sun, 22 Oct 2023 22:55:12 +0200") References: <87pm1bqtp1.fsf@gmail.com> <87zg0em529.fsf@gmail.com> <87cyx9mlq4.fsf@gmail.com> <87y1fxguxk.fsf@gmail.com> <87mswav0lr.fsf@lassieur.org> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2023 20:30:08 -0400 Message-ID: <87mswab2pb.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 66618 Cc: 66618@debbugs.gnu.org, Simon Tournier X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi, Cl=C3=A9ment Lassieur writes: > Maxim Cournoyer writes: > >> Hi Simon, >> >> Simon Tournier writes: >> >>> Hi Maxim, >>> >>> On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 at 21:54, Maxim Cournoyer wrote: >>> >>>> One could argue it's also a misleading documentation. It should say if >>>> a 'to' address is not specified *or* configured.=20=20 >>> >>> Well, personally I prefer: =C2=AB Explicit is better than implicit. =C2= =BB and >>> =C2=AB=C2=A0Errors should never pass silently. Unless explicitly silen= ced. =C2=BB. >>> >>> Here, the default >>> >>> [sendemail] >>> to =3D guix-patches@gnu.org >>> >>> makes something implicit =E2=80=93 which is not necessary bad =E2=80=93= but it hides >>> potential errors =E2=80=93 which is not good. >> >> But that's true for any automation of git. If we follow that logic we >> can remove the other git configurations because they may be surprising, >> and the send-email hook that notifies people, because that can again be >> surprising. > > Some automation is fine (although maybe not necessary) because it's > about things we want to enforce (like signed commits). > >> Obviously, I'd rather not go that slope. The small cost in surprise is >> offset by removing manual work for myself and I'd expect/hope other >> committers. Does that make sense? > > I don't think there is a need for `--to` automation in Guix repo because > it's something the user can automate in their own ~/.gitconfig (with > `includeIf`[0]). I often have single patches, or with series I need to send the cover letter first; just writing 'git send-email -1' is shorter than 'git send-email --to=3Dguix-patches@gnu.org -1' :-). I also often use patman (info "(u-boot) Patman patch manager") and there's no way to specify a --to from the command line (you use Series-to: NNNNN@debbugs.gnu.org as a git trailer after having received it for a cover letter), which would make things slightly more annoying... > [0]: https://git-scm.com/docs/git-config#_conditional_includes ... by having to configure this in a way that matches all my Guix worktrees spread around :-). I guess what I'm saying is that it provides value for me, and I'd expect for others, although I can see how it could generate surprise when you initially get your 'get send-email' foo wrong. Perhaps we should more prominently mention that 'mumi send-email' should be used for first timers, as it's less likely to get things wrong using it? --=20 Thanks, Maxim From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Oct 23 08:18:13 2023 Received: (at 66618) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Oct 2023 12:18:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49268 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qutsq-0006lP-LY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2023 08:18:13 -0400 Received: from mail-wm1-x32a.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::32a]:38941) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qutso-0006kx-K2 for 66618@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2023 08:18:11 -0400 Received: by mail-wm1-x32a.google.com with SMTP id 5b1f17b1804b1-408423fc784so2401315e9.0 for <66618@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 23 Oct 2023 05:17:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1698063456; x=1698668256; darn=debbugs.gnu.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:message-id:date:references :in-reply-to:subject:cc:to:from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=dgtO4D4yeamTxCK/vp/FjvpyfviP+lymouZqUo3H5Ws=; b=lS51KyRtJzxk2BDGo38pVkBYVw0jhn9VkoxeL9GWgGtEQuhJc0VPh5C4f5igYuvCB/ WL/5jEX6ATDQBWs5MNfCbkXlKa1WgdYio0qc900vU0VsCvfpwHeokzRWKvAF7W5CkLL2 qiftmbS23G2ATPZY82cTHC3srBUMOj0gOWXbCCABFx5Ez6ujuzhT7D+VmclmgVJhBapu U6xhj38e3LWLCGfjuhQf7X9/y0h7QeIY+UR4/ftk+F2kxvO7kIOuyGTqJW+cyRfY/0jw q/ty2G26AQuQJSfwEWUmMdKcgUhbP44kNxZQHLCr94e+5lwX3gaLYrl2AsoNi0VAiWgE ngDw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1698063456; x=1698668256; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:message-id:date:references :in-reply-to:subject:cc:to:from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=dgtO4D4yeamTxCK/vp/FjvpyfviP+lymouZqUo3H5Ws=; b=CSkBM17YnikuNK/xTcrw1E6yWs2HDylVDicS9Soh6QbQXEUlFQj/pJVd2uxFWwXtag o1OekYQ0atwvzS1UNYa8N3XXKhGcoyXJN8f1Ks3jKUcnO8GXZHyvlkoR9t+vYoeyH3o3 bIDcg8Fgxwd3jN2DTroxIchvHzMlHJoe0HXw0JlQ7U2OP06Xf6wYfoh/VgYdsjld6hpi +niPBz1vB8q7YeojYACEFl6+RhG7VuyShfdWSgUnd6HVnp2mz8kLhoA1focukRaozlrz IIYTuFADm/YjB7CCVQMH9b6BFQwnxz/CKYH5AFyPvr4gRrBpMUkjbeZeEMCRV4x7b2Op CZSQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yzs0MK9R6cYgTiGAbDnkBUMJzvYMa3kQyeLBWrzQt96knFt0Ge/ 5vwFtkUEVrQqu1kxnd7xv88= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEoar55gf7jS1EKiLC5oHcb3d4EcM2/cIrYeSoayOhS9vVFcQ0MWPehyWTFcyXjQ8RW4LwaJQ== X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:6025:b0:3fe:d637:7b25 with SMTP id az37-20020a05600c602500b003fed6377b25mr6919411wmb.0.1698063455649; Mon, 23 Oct 2023 05:17:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pfiuh07 ([193.48.40.241]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t6-20020a05600c450600b0040535648639sm9319532wmo.36.2023.10.23.05.17.35 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 23 Oct 2023 05:17:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Simon Tournier To: Maxim Cournoyer Subject: Re: [bug#66618] [PATCH] etc: gitconfig: Remove the default email address to avoid mistakes. In-Reply-To: <87y1fxguxk.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87pm1bqtp1.fsf@gmail.com> <87zg0em529.fsf@gmail.com> <87cyx9mlq4.fsf@gmail.com> <87y1fxguxk.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2023 11:49:23 +0200 Message-ID: <87ttqhllcs.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 66618 Cc: 66618@debbugs.gnu.org, =?utf-8?Q?Cl=C3=A9ment?= Lassieur X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Maxim, On Fri, 20 Oct 2023 at 11:44, Maxim Cournoyer w= rote: >> Here, the default >> >> [sendemail] >> to =3D guix-patches@gnu.org >> >> makes something implicit =E2=80=93 which is not necessary bad =E2=80=93 = but it hides >> potential errors =E2=80=93 which is not good. > > But that's true for any automation of git. I disagree. The aim of automation is to hide burden without being error-prone. > If we follow that logic we > can remove the other git configurations because they may be surprising, The point is about being able to catch and adjust accordingly. Except this =E2=80=99sendemail.to=E2=80=99 value, all the other values may be surp= rising but if one is surprised, then one is aware of the non-default Git configuration and thus one is able to adjust accordingly. The issue with =E2=80=99sendemail.to=E2=80=99 is that there is no surprise = popping; for being surprised, I need to be aware and here it does it in my back. > and the send-email hook that notifies people, because that can again be > surprising. I disagree. For example, I think =E2=80=99sendemail.headerCmd=E2=80=99 is = a good default. Because it hides the burden and correct my potential mistake. Well, somehow there is =E2=80=9Cgood=E2=80=9D surprise and =E2=80=9Cbad=E2= =80=9D surprise. For me, =E2=80=99sendemail.to=E2=80=99 leads to =E2=80=9Cbad=E2=80=9D surprise and = =E2=80=99sendemail.headerCmd=E2=80=99 leads to =E2=80=9Cgood=E2=80=9D surprise. For me, =E2=80=99sendemail.headerCmd=E2=80=99 helps because it behaves in a= way that most users will expect the system to behave. That=E2=80=99s POLA. However, =E2=80=99sendemail.to=E2=80=99 does not appear to me POLA because it hides = my potential mistake. > The small cost in surprise is > offset by removing manual work for myself and I'd expect/hope other > committers. Well, from my point of view, it is possible to use other means for removing some manual work. For instance, it is possible to have an alias in etc/gitconfig, as =E2=80=9Cgit send-patches=E2=80=9D. Or it is po= ssible to use =E2=80=99sendemail.aliasesFile=E2=80=99 for having a short key to pass. Or= else. You said: OK! I'll leave this opened for a bit longer to allow for others to= tip in, after which I'll do so. and now you have two opinions by two Guix committers :-) =E2=80=93 not git-send-email experts though but having some habits for using it. ;-) That=E2=80=99s said, I do not have a strong opinion either. I can live wit= h the default value since I always explicitly uses =E2=80=99--to=3D=E2=80=99. :-)= And if this default value suits your productivity, it is totally fine with me. 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In-Reply-To: <87mswab2pb.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87pm1bqtp1.fsf@gmail.com> <87zg0em529.fsf@gmail.com> <87cyx9mlq4.fsf@gmail.com> <87y1fxguxk.fsf@gmail.com> <87mswav0lr.fsf@lassieur.org> <87mswab2pb.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2023 11:57:19 +0200 Message-ID: <87pm15lkzk.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 66618 Cc: 66618@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Maxim, On Sun, 22 Oct 2023 at 20:30, Maxim Cournoyer wrote: > I guess what I'm saying is that it provides value for me, and I'd expect > for others, although I can see how it could generate surprise when you > initially get your 'get send-email' foo wrong. Do you have your configuration public somewhere? Or part of it. Because if I do not see the value it provides, maybe I am missing some features that you are using and eases the workflow. 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In-Reply-To: <87pm15lkzk.fsf@gmail.com> (Simon Tournier's message of "Mon, 23 Oct 2023 11:57:19 +0200") References: <87pm1bqtp1.fsf@gmail.com> <87zg0em529.fsf@gmail.com> <87cyx9mlq4.fsf@gmail.com> <87y1fxguxk.fsf@gmail.com> <87mswav0lr.fsf@lassieur.org> <87mswab2pb.fsf@gmail.com> <87pm15lkzk.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2023 10:17:03 -0400 Message-ID: <87il6x8luo.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 66618 Cc: 66618@debbugs.gnu.org, =?utf-8?Q?Cl=C3=A9ment?= Lassieur X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Simon, Simon Tournier writes: > Hi Maxim, > > On Sun, 22 Oct 2023 at 20:30, Maxim Cournoyer wrote: > >> I guess what I'm saying is that it provides value for me, and I'd expect >> for others, although I can see how it could generate surprise when you >> initially get your 'get send-email' foo wrong. > > Do you have your configuration public somewhere? Or part of it. > > Because if I do not see the value it provides, maybe I am missing some > features that you are using and eases the workflow. It's already included in the Guix repo as .patman. If you have a single patch to send, you can do just: $ patman Review the patch content, C-x 3 when done (if your editor is Emacs), and done. I had documented the flow in https://issues.guix.gnu.org/issue/58813#11, before settling on adding new features to git itself so that we could stick to 'git send-email', as there was some (understandable) reluctance to learning yet another tool [0]. It's also well documented as (info ("u-boot") Patman patch m anager). [0] https://issues.guix.gnu.org/issue/58813#11 -- Thanks, Maxim From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Oct 23 10:28:46 2023 Received: (at 66618) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Oct 2023 14:28:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51280 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1quvvC-0002tn-0N for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2023 10:28:46 -0400 Received: from mail-qk1-x72d.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::72d]:58722) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1quvv9-0002tZ-69 for 66618@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2023 10:28:44 -0400 Received: by mail-qk1-x72d.google.com with SMTP id af79cd13be357-7781b176131so170614085a.1 for <66618@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 23 Oct 2023 07:28:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1698071288; x=1698676088; darn=debbugs.gnu.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:user-agent:message-id:date :references:in-reply-to:subject:cc:to:from:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=Ha8bT+bTC/6qDxdNEMx/vPqx5MqjiZnCPUK9OkOxm9A=; b=IdaFTs7wSOR2XiY7ptKFULZEAxLj8kiU9iNl31ysTRhlgEqksrnjnP0thRSKuF19uz h3RT03B8pj0iGSkcMTdj9i9TXpVjBVkcpCm10bm5t0VN8TH1UQLVORLcnbteRdSppwN7 uaX2UztYL8b/rXHQR+kGZ12BaxFIWsaKT/W7j8PuwNMo99yhl9lKJfhnr1pEF8LovZjY 7NuZ3leddDD4nKy39NHq3Q2XAwa29TeHY0rELwgtV/ZEc1gxlrk9Nl/W+rnT6mR15IL1 +AdR7bEvDWioK7v/6Nz8MM72uT3kVWBtj+AEkBIXlkKuIK6srZKp60egBS6HGwgcdKOo R+jA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1698071288; x=1698676088; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:user-agent:message-id:date :references:in-reply-to:subject:cc:to:from:x-gm-message-state:from :to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Ha8bT+bTC/6qDxdNEMx/vPqx5MqjiZnCPUK9OkOxm9A=; b=bRabsLDk4Ej/AlyTgoe6VAgCMU6YWG+l6GHe2PuETYWDhl8NIIrzwq/kJ4RGeznroh beVeqL7SJ8W53xpo4+jyQDC5YOALgRA3cYlfX0rJtOOJvSQuknF/rQdqeAM/1LZiwuW/ AfZLkAEYE9Z6FOz7uIo9D4jtsHGOFdMHwQwAhZkLpOX8P1TV8wn2yNKSUnpIu37Wqn91 UX7pXi+gKqANZ0Fe9ji2Bo+bcRenGcgGQvFmM9VeYQckmDApilyYtSCVwHmAvz5/4mSs chFI8G6kYFlsGXv3T1NxAfaKbar9JcWslEJ4Fn2X9it+DvmjsS9+4K4bCR2m6gXlBb1Z LxPw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyNfU5RjACxXBTPY+8GTPkJXfi2KMvIDmCx9qo6KWRsJ3/2HgBX xIpFdtn0FGSDNH9E9Jn5vt4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHVdFUXI9OSNKkD2BChGAO+LEJ6eN04Lynga2Hq/WWOik4DXEnFcwAO1Jp2JN361c93FG84Qg== X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:258e:b0:775:92bb:eb25 with SMTP id x14-20020a05620a258e00b0077592bbeb25mr9351516qko.55.1698071287885; Mon, 23 Oct 2023 07:28:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hurd (dsl-10-148-194.b2b2c.ca. [72.10.148.194]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d20-20020a05620a241400b007759a81d88esm2715715qkn.50.2023.10.23.07.28.06 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 23 Oct 2023 07:28:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Maxim Cournoyer To: Simon Tournier Subject: Re: [bug#66618] [PATCH] etc: gitconfig: Remove the default email address to avoid mistakes. In-Reply-To: <87ttqhllcs.fsf@gmail.com> (Simon Tournier's message of "Mon, 23 Oct 2023 11:49:23 +0200") References: <87pm1bqtp1.fsf@gmail.com> <87zg0em529.fsf@gmail.com> <87cyx9mlq4.fsf@gmail.com> <87y1fxguxk.fsf@gmail.com> <87ttqhllcs.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2023 10:28:06 -0400 Message-ID: <87edhl8lc9.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 66618 Cc: 66618@debbugs.gnu.org, =?utf-8?Q?Cl=C3=A9ment?= Lassieur X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Simon, Simon Tournier writes: > Hi Maxim, > > On Fri, 20 Oct 2023 at 11:44, Maxim Cournoyer = wrote: > >>> Here, the default >>> >>> [sendemail] >>> to =3D guix-patches@gnu.org >>> >>> makes something implicit =E2=80=93 which is not necessary bad =E2=80=93= but it hides >>> potential errors =E2=80=93 which is not good. >> >> But that's true for any automation of git. > > I disagree. The aim of automation is to hide burden without being > error-prone. > > >> If we follow that logic we >> can remove the other git configurations because they may be surprising, > > The point is about being able to catch and adjust accordingly. Except > this =E2=80=99sendemail.to=E2=80=99 value, all the other values may be su= rprising but if > one is surprised, then one is aware of the non-default Git configuration > and thus one is able to adjust accordingly. The same hold for send-email.to. You may get surprised once, and then you know it. The 'git send-email' command will prompt before sending the email with something like: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- $ git send-email -1 ;;; note: source file /home/maxim/src/guix/etc/teams.scm ;;; newer than compiled /home/maxim/.cache/guile/ccache/3.0-LE-8-4.6/= home/maxim/src/guix/etc/teams.scm.go /tmp/YXDTZOc_v8/0001-wip-lfs.patch ;;; note: source file /home/maxim/src/guix/etc/teams.scm ;;; newer than compiled /home/maxim/.cache/guile/ccache/3.0-LE-8-4.6/= home/maxim/src/guix/etc/teams.scm.go (mbox) Adding cc: Maxim Cournoyer from line 'Fr= om: Maxim Cournoyer ' From: [...] To: guix-patches@gnu.org Cc: [...] Subject: [PATCH] wip lfs Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2023 10:11:24 -0400 Message-ID: <88ec0c8ccd84fe5e746c66259b8a41d25022f2f0.1698070284.git.maxim.= cournoyer@gmail.com> X-Mailer: git-send-email 2.41.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Debbugs-Cc: [...] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dutf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The Cc list above has been expanded by additional addresses found in the patch commit message. By default send-email prompts before sending whenever this occurs. This behavior is controlled by the sendemail.confirm configuration setting. For additional information, run 'git send-email --help'. To retain the current behavior, but squelch this message, run 'git config --global sendemail.confirm auto'. Send this email? ([y]es|[n]o|[e]dit|[q]uit|[a]ll):=20 --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- The 'To: ' field is visible in this summary before confirming whether the email should be sent. [...] > I disagree. For example, I think =E2=80=99sendemail.headerCmd=E2=80=99 i= s a good > default. Because it hides the burden and correct my potential mistake. > > Well, somehow there is =E2=80=9Cgood=E2=80=9D surprise and =E2=80=9Cbad= =E2=80=9D surprise. For me, > =E2=80=99sendemail.to=E2=80=99 leads to =E2=80=9Cbad=E2=80=9D surprise an= d =E2=80=99sendemail.headerCmd=E2=80=99 leads > to =E2=80=9Cgood=E2=80=9D surprise. > > For me, =E2=80=99sendemail.headerCmd=E2=80=99 helps because it behaves in= a way that > most users will expect the system to behave. That=E2=80=99s POLA. Howev= er, > =E2=80=99sendemail.to=E2=80=99 does not appear to me POLA because it hide= s my potential > mistake. That's subjective unfortunately; at least two committers were originally surprised by the then new 'sendemail.headerCmd' behavior. >> The small cost in surprise is >> offset by removing manual work for myself and I'd expect/hope other >> committers. > > Well, from my point of view, it is possible to use other means for > removing some manual work. For instance, it is possible to have an > alias in etc/gitconfig, as =E2=80=9Cgit send-patches=E2=80=9D. Or it is = possible to use > =E2=80=99sendemail.aliasesFile=E2=80=99 for having a short key to pass. = Or else. > > You said: > > OK! I'll leave this opened for a bit longer to allow for others = to tip > in, after which I'll do so. > > and now you have two opinions by two Guix committers :-) =E2=80=93 not > git-send-email experts though but having some habits for using it. ;-) > > That=E2=80=99s said, I do not have a strong opinion either. I can live w= ith the > default value since I always explicitly uses =E2=80=99--to=3D=E2=80=99. := -) And if this > default value suits your productivity, it is totally fine with me. It does! I don't see how forcing everyone to explicitly type --to=3Dguix-patches@debbugs.gnu.org for sending simple patches or cover letters helps our flow. 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In-Reply-To: <87mswab2pb.fsf@gmail.com> (Maxim Cournoyer's message of "Sun, 22 Oct 2023 20:30:08 -0400") References: <87pm1bqtp1.fsf@gmail.com> <87zg0em529.fsf@gmail.com> <87cyx9mlq4.fsf@gmail.com> <87y1fxguxk.fsf@gmail.com> <87mswav0lr.fsf@lassieur.org> <87mswab2pb.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2023 22:11:54 +0200 Message-ID: <874jieea2d.fsf@lassieur.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 66618 Cc: 66618@debbugs.gnu.org, Simon Tournier X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Maxim Cournoyer writes: >> I don't think there is a need for `--to` automation in Guix repo because >> it's something the user can automate in their own ~/.gitconfig (with >> `includeIf`[0]). > > I often have single patches, or with series I need to send the cover > letter first; just writing 'git send-email -1' is shorter > than 'git send-email --to=3Dguix-patches@gnu.org -1' :-). Well, you can use a bash alias, a git send-email wrapper, your own .gitconfig as I said... There are a lot of solutions. > I also often use patman (info "(u-boot) Patman patch manager") and > there's no way to specify a --to from the command line (you use > Series-to: NNNNN@debbugs.gnu.org as a git trailer after having received > it for a cover letter), which would make things slightly more > annoying... Then you can also write "Series-to: guix-patches@gnu.org" as trailer for the first patch and then change. Or you can use git send-email --to for the first patch, and patman for the remaining ones. >> [0]: https://git-scm.com/docs/git-config#_conditional_includes > > ... by having to configure this in a way that matches all my Guix > worktrees spread around :-). If all your Guix worktrees are in the same directory, it's straightforward. Otherwise, it's just one line per git repository. Something that's surely not a problem for you. > I guess what I'm saying is that it provides value for me, and I'd expect > for others, although I can see how it could generate surprise when you > initially get your 'get send-email' foo wrong. I'm sure it provides value for you but I don't think it does for others: all I see is that it provides confusion. We want a software, and tools, that are simple to use and to understand. Please don't add too much things that are hard to maintain, hard to understand, and with unexpected defaults. Git send-email is used by a lot of projects apart from Guix. And newcomers often come from those projects, they don't expect weird defaults and weird customizations. > Perhaps we should more prominently mention that 'mumi send-email' should > be used for first timers, as it's less likely to get things wrong using > it? I think git send-email is easy to use and to understand (if people don't modify its default behavior). 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In-Reply-To: <874jieea2d.fsf@lassieur.org> References: <87pm1bqtp1.fsf@gmail.com> <87zg0em529.fsf@gmail.com> <87cyx9mlq4.fsf@gmail.com> <87y1fxguxk.fsf@gmail.com> <87mswav0lr.fsf@lassieur.org> <87mswab2pb.fsf@gmail.com> <874jieea2d.fsf@lassieur.org> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2023 10:31:05 +0200 Message-ID: <87cyx1hjjq.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 66618 Cc: 66618@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Cl=C3=A9ment, On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 at 22:11, Cl=C3=A9ment Lassieur = wrote: > I'm sure it provides value for you but I don't think it does for others: > all I see is that it provides confusion. > > We want a software, and tools, that are simple to use and to understand. > Please don't add too much things that are hard to maintain, hard to > understand, and with unexpected defaults. Although I tend to agree with the weak value of =E2=80=99sendemail.to=E2=80= =99 =E2=80=93 until now, I have not seen what it brings, I think you are overemphasizing the issue here. :-) At worst, a misuse leads to open many new bug numbers. Future will say if this adds more burden than help. On average, it should simplify the workflow and free some cognitive overhead; that=E2=80=99s the idea. Somehow, the misguided use-case you initially reported is a specific case. The bet is: these specific cases are by a very large order of magnitude less than the day-to-day cases, and thus we can deal with specific cases when they happen and it reduces the overhead for most. 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In-Reply-To: <87cyx1hjjq.fsf@gmail.com> (Simon Tournier's message of "Thu, 26 Oct 2023 10:31:05 +0200") References: <87pm1bqtp1.fsf@gmail.com> <87zg0em529.fsf@gmail.com> <87cyx9mlq4.fsf@gmail.com> <87y1fxguxk.fsf@gmail.com> <87mswav0lr.fsf@lassieur.org> <87mswab2pb.fsf@gmail.com> <874jieea2d.fsf@lassieur.org> <87cyx1hjjq.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2023 12:38:35 +0200 Message-ID: <874jidllck.fsf@lassieur.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 66618-done Cc: 66618-done@debbugs.gnu.org, Maxim Cournoyer X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On Thu, Oct 26 2023, Simon Tournier wrote: > Hi Cl=C3=A9ment, > > On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 at 22:11, Cl=C3=A9ment Lassieur wrote: > >> I'm sure it provides value for you but I don't think it does for others: >> all I see is that it provides confusion. >> >> We want a software, and tools, that are simple to use and to understand. >> Please don't add too much things that are hard to maintain, hard to >> understand, and with unexpected defaults. > > Although I tend to agree with the weak value of =E2=80=99sendemail.to=E2= =80=99 =E2=80=93 until > now, I have not seen what it brings, I think you are overemphasizing the > issue here. :-) Alright, sorry for overemphasizing then. I'm closing this issue now with tag "wontfix" because it's bad for Guix that we are all wasting time on this. 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