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[66.158.141.24]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id oo14-20020a05620a530e00b0076f21383b6csm872024qkn.112.2023.10.03.17.26.27 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 03 Oct 2023 17:26:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Maxim Cournoyer To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 28.2; Gnus wide reply (S W) changes Subject header when used from Debbugs thread X-Debbugs-CC: Bruno Victal Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2023 20:26:26 -0400 Message-ID: <87v8bn6xn1.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::72b; envelope-from=maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com; helo=mail-qk1-x72b.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) Hi, When attempting to reply from an Emacs Debbugs thread specific email, the Subject line gets set to the subject of the first email in the thread rather than to that of the specific email I'm replying to, which looses context. Example/reproducer: $ guix shell --container emacs-no-x emacs-debbugs -- emacs >From the launched Emacs: 1. M-x debbugs-gnu-bugs 65479 2. Press 'a' to load the bug despite the lack of SSL certificates. 3. Navigate to the message titled: [bug#65479] [PATCH core-updates 02/61] gnu: Add docbook-xml-5. 4. Press S W to send a wide reply. 5. Observe that the Subject header in the email response being edited has been changed to "Re: bug#65479: [PATCH core-updates 00/61] The Draining of the XML & DocBook Swamp.", that is, the original subject of the "bug" (its first message). I haven't been able to explain what causes that, but I've found where it occurs. Following the original 'gnus-article-wide-reply-with-original' call, it eventually calls to 'message-setup-1', and the Subject modification happens by unknown code (hooks?) just before the line 6870 ("(run-hooks 'message-setup-hook)") runs: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- (defun message-setup-1 (headers &optional yank-action actions return-action) (dolist (action actions) (condition-case nil ;; FIXME: Use functions rather than expressions! (add-to-list 'message-send-actions `(apply #',(car action) ',(cdr action))))) (setq message-return-action return-action) [...] (run-hooks 'message-signature-setup-hook) (message-insert-signature) (save-restriction (message-narrow-to-headers) (run-hooks 'message-header-setup-hook)) (setq buffer-undo-list nil) (when message-generate-hashcash ;; Generate hashcash headers for recipients already known (mail-add-payment-async)) ===> Subject header changed HERE ;; Gnus posting styles are applied via buffer-local `message-setup-hook' ;; values. (run-hooks 'message-setup-hook) ;; Do this last to give it precedence over posting styles, etc. (when (message-mail-p) (save-restriction (message-narrow-to-headers) (if message-alternative-emails (message-use-alternative-email-as-from)))) (message-position-point) ;; Allow correct handling of `message-checksum' in `message-yank-original': (set-buffer-modified-p nil) (undo-boundary) ;; rmail-start-mail expects message-mail to return t (Bug#9392) t) --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- Would someone be able to explain what is responsible for this? It seems to me it'd be preferable if the subject of the message I'm replying to was kept rather than replaced this way, to preserve context. -- Thanks, Maxim From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 04 03:30:05 2023 Received: (at 66330) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Oct 2023 07:30:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41405 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qnwKb-0007US-6D for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 03:30:05 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56576) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qnwKZ-0007TU-35 for 66330@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 03:30:03 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qnwKB-0002oQ-Eo; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 03:29:39 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=aHjiJseI8oAO+oTPX1nyQxPBXeRorObKl1D0M94YXz0=; b=SrByBnO8j8lx mOhLdxllNNLEt/v71ldnnGo3C+Il4gLCtXxF+BVjEi36VxKQ7iRkAu+tt5kV6cccbgxJ6wf5O6OyF HXTtM4XfCnnpJEM8bpmpYv8crs7oUrVENEJr/PI7bc7z00oO4wwYOFZj/1WbRXochgrybTmM1ZeCX Z/RIlddecCbXsr6DNsw/NCdFr7Rh9TG29O+DNRZZM50Gy4qJFaO+6ByvgBwhtP5nH2btYWb5suypC Ta15DCQVo2lxWp4KVsAdfGW6kxcq649g1cSvEHTU4RTEtsVhA5fplUnJajrl5aB1YnIBp4+UizWH4 HQN4+NwIZ0l9inOdwroIiQ==; Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2023 10:29:43 +0300 Message-Id: <83mswy6e1k.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Maxim Cournoyer In-Reply-To: <87v8bn6xn1.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Maxim Cournoyer on Tue, 03 Oct 2023 20:26:26 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#66330: 28.2; Gnus wide reply (S W) changes Subject header when used from Debbugs thread References: <87v8bn6xn1.fsf@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 66330 Cc: mirai@makinata.eu, 66330@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Cc: Bruno Victal > From: Maxim Cournoyer > Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2023 20:26:26 -0400 > > When attempting to reply from an Emacs Debbugs thread specific email, > the Subject line gets set to the subject of the first email in the > thread rather than to that of the specific email I'm replying to, which > looses context. The Subject lines of emails pertaining to a discussion of a bug should never be changed. So I see no problem here, unless I'm missing something. Michael, am I wrong? > 1. M-x debbugs-gnu-bugs 65479 > > 2. Press 'a' to load the bug despite the lack of SSL certificates. > > 3. Navigate to the message titled: > [bug#65479] [PATCH core-updates 02/61] gnu: Add docbook-xml-5. > > 4. Press S W to send a wide reply. > > 5. Observe that the Subject header in the email response being edited > has been changed to "Re: bug#65479: [PATCH core-updates 00/61] The > Draining of the XML & DocBook Swamp.", that is, the original subject of > the "bug" (its first message). This is a bad Subject line to begin with, from where I stand: it should not include the patch series numbers, and it should not assume there will be additional messages with different series numbers. The Subject lines in a bug/issue discussion should describe the bug/issue, not the patches sent to fix the issue. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 04 03:53:36 2023 Received: (at 66330) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Oct 2023 07:53:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41436 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qnwhM-0008DW-Bc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 03:53:36 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]:52169) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qnwhK-0008DI-BX for 66330@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 03:53:35 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1696405983; x=1697010783; i=michael.albinus@gmx.de; bh=l8STG2SuvEMkB1e4/R7JDagbjP9n5KuF7kHDG90Ou8w=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=GjrjWSO2o5gabnmpg9nBXsjvfrzOCp7CRCS49Ao9QaG+YPBiVePqJpAGEwsUMuYi6ErXTdaB95W d381EkqlS8wgSznTFFIO/Zok1cw3nOajft/ddSJLxuwkkt3s9ugFP+ynO2fdXI551MLihOvluytd4 8qDFukApUtdS20l4tN3olzJo+U1TLge9mIgHWSW5nErjUKZyWH3+NWzzJ938sNBsA+h6I3Utl6avD ApGJxj//ywz/p52ayEGLmHhc0BtVqnPXwibxSE31T4UXREMXejejqdXipaeWnVtaEdAFP7CznUO5K oVMvCP/dvTxYJDc9LElWRP8GGnm+mtQU9TyQ== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([185.89.39.30]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MCsPy-1qwmOV09Oi-008uOU; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 09:53:03 +0200 From: Michael Albinus To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#66330: 28.2; Gnus wide reply (S W) changes Subject header when used from Debbugs thread In-Reply-To: <83mswy6e1k.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 04 Oct 2023 10:29:43 +0300") References: <87v8bn6xn1.fsf@gmail.com> <83mswy6e1k.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2023 09:53:02 +0200 Message-ID: <87sf6qhli9.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:sSitvl7ftaPHkWu9hSa0pCtpyAg35h1Q35ua+sK9t1HGJ0C+EPM qdHouNZ3ne23Z9fOaoOB1/qPKd4paeaTHCOVB4zHp42mLHukykiCRhFRYGQwVyM37Q01uwG 3i33GejJAmWOJwOq0WmGi1ZBf5/+CeuPqmrTEqu8uKkfdAcztZQyoL9zM2Zaj5GkcjDqurT SH/aqF6xiZSKISDRxUz+A== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:zk5LBDAVfBA=;xcpPajHZpo9ubO668sxdg5oD6vR o9VXTl9l2pZbtXmejW0bF6QaYP4aMxCeWa/KCe5GwzMxQR1At34PVoQS5uVnxRgQ+2AFoo6ma u0Tl2k4ifjb6+FMzlJbbs5+WKGZV7iRSe8m8xaNMzG6gc8iXkjb4I1JbCxhwRwojGu0+BoRN6 RntUCN6PzkZjjm9IqazmPEfzAq40V5vn41qEKJsKMGOd+habzNZlClyOkNB1jIN63+XCsbx4E cDdFssKKM7NwIVxKoBaZp/fQhqOEyKqDUwOl6D5lfne7gzSUCQOwh3paqvdu/nICACO+pC3rj EEwoZ+UXvMpXriOVo0OeZRGTmDedJOZtcaCrDBtV41G51QxTle6MYBUQr9LrHoNi2nBXTsYBR zgXHaWZBVSRIYbHKlHBpz9595piaZKQAn4MCPu8aLcAmneLuTyNnymfco5s5ab36pjWvUiTP1 E96TBzK+9nprDflbc3sYZ60+McPW4SFYRg5nkYfz3FSSC/+nVuY/cf2m2jjPDDyLfqRsxsdqc EHGq/vzre3cJKEOZM3GSPby55ziEUpzDp6buXCaAC5eUnXc1y1dO6iaNS/3i55SPNq7YYMDYo ZqQcEesFhlkFViNkGQBV4mxDSclWFkT+M78BhRqqgVbCjhpm+yd+Y8ok7eEzuJtmU4ySE6PTH /EcUo01UPURl2zB8I8gYpAAKIDpSVjzhzHXFf/D/4fn++Lf/mr7zvebiP5BSfpx/abhvp6NC8 WacdX0WGisXIqxAjheEmMSOngafsIlJKi6rieE2ezQ8JGuga39jp+q4FYqJSgX8WOr850khp3 15kA3v/61aZdqrbnS8aO0vU/X09fGAxhlvr8XzeHnDucx723OEyvf/ja1Mq4FgqP0QkHl0FZ8 3q/4qi7O2QqAMo9tjXVU7F+SQFiGTVqm0g7ij1nRBOQbD4NzG73JbqIFMJZUTI1WKKsbQUsz3 kXHWKw== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 66330 Cc: mirai@makinata.eu, 66330@debbugs.gnu.org, Maxim Cournoyer X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: Hi Eli, >> When attempting to reply from an Emacs Debbugs thread specific email, >> the Subject line gets set to the subject of the first email in the >> thread rather than to that of the specific email I'm replying to, which >> looses context. > > The Subject lines of emails pertaining to a discussion of a bug should > never be changed. So I see no problem here, unless I'm missing > something. > > Michael, am I wrong? Well, we haven't documented such a rule. But based on my experience I would agree. There's often a message in the bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org ML with the subject "bug#xxxxx: Patch" or alike, which doesn't help. I'm too old to remember all the bug numbers and their related topic, and I read only messages in that ML with topics I'm interested in. >> 1. M-x debbugs-gnu-bugs 65479 >> >> 2. Press 'a' to load the bug despite the lack of SSL certificates. >> >> 3. Navigate to the message titled: >> [bug#65479] [PATCH core-updates 02/61] gnu: Add docbook-xml-5. >> >> 4. Press S W to send a wide reply. >> >> 5. Observe that the Subject header in the email response being edited >> has been changed to "Re: bug#65479: [PATCH core-updates 00/61] The >> Draining of the XML & DocBook Swamp.", that is, the original subject of >> the "bug" (its first message). > > This is a bad Subject line to begin with, from where I stand: it > should not include the patch series numbers, and it should not assume > there will be additional messages with different series numbers. > > The Subject lines in a bug/issue discussion should describe the > bug/issue, not the patches sent to fix the issue. D'accord. But I guess the subject line quoted here is created by a tool of the guix-patches toolchain. So first we shall agree about the rules of that toolchain (I'm from Emacs, I won't dictate anything!). If this is an agreed behavior, we could discuss about a debbugs-gnu user option how to handle the subject line of replies, with a different default value for guix-patches messages. The global default shouldn't be changed. Well, we even have already guix specific code, see debbugs-guix.el. I would appreciate if somebody from the guix project supports me in writing such a patch. Best regards, Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 04 04:32:24 2023 Received: (at 66330) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Oct 2023 08:32:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41474 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qnxIt-0000oX-Le for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 04:32:23 -0400 Received: from thaodan.de ([185.216.177.71]:39214) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qnxIr-0000oH-9f for 66330@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 04:32:21 -0400 Received: from odin (dsl-trebng12-50dc77-87.dhcp.inet.fi [80.220.119.87]) by thaodan.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 35D21D08DB9; Wed, 4 Oct 2023 11:31:57 +0300 (EEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=thaodan.de; s=mail; t=1696408317; bh=CDRc28sxjLaGe8Ky+DpQzxrKhSAqwrfb66yc/akiaxM=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=2HRTrFvNnHfq4c/QoUW35ZFkpY7o8SPJIlp3SY/JAhupl8hrB6erAcjpdyLQoQaXj 7AmaTWui8M/BNmGIALIZOmSjJQf1AuZ3x7CHXuPJnPXG9Drs+Ff0xJjN/mGdOZweRp 06zFRfxmecEzJEPRa3rkV45jb0hbp/41AfSexnqXOspF0GckJQPYrS0QI8MPYAx1vZ c/TYt/+u9tz773FVRXD9E49vmUvbzpd5EAA1TorKyWTycyt4RnWyeHQ2JlimpeihW7 Xu3oen5ya8Ks3HJU0RQJklnmUGTpMwMfD9HaA9RKQu3ojWrjolgzxXNfJJrVvPWScM qcNAcceRgVhO2igfhnTKVBRicoZtPFUmPiWtXfW/zaANoMkrQ+xzSMsOXiYNy0TYy+ apyi7Qk8xK43s0cPkbXto+DimYKNHHORBCg87Nxhi8jQR6eDleZm9BGK3pmfJGxDLl omAMWnVrToc+mfvfhlv5XQCFSOw+T8FM3zh3vCXHHNf0TQKCKovzxUt8SBNF3Q62xh QCT5ylXKoKdtiUP4r3FgyHEhUs/6RWgb//wVfMW0aOFNgBUBdCxT+5pZ3tPxBBKZ8Q M2MKVXmjyGRayXN0XrTwTMg4MFGAM8uTrSnNcUW9I2rz1oD7t7HXhN57LGRl29rp0G 6RTmXbeaS+KDmvYDU34mMaN0= From: =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6rn?= Bidar To: Michael Albinus Subject: Re: bug#66330: 28.2; Gnus wide reply (S W) changes Subject header when used from Debbugs thread In-Reply-To: <87sf6qhli9.fsf@gmx.de> (Michael Albinus's message of "Wed, 04 Oct 2023 09:53:02 +0200") References: <87v8bn6xn1.fsf@gmail.com> <83mswy6e1k.fsf@gnu.org> <87sf6qhli9.fsf@gmx.de> Autocrypt: addr=bjorn.bidar@thaodan.de; prefer-encrypt=nopreference; keydata= mDMEZNfpPhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdACBEmr+0xwIIHZfIDlZmm7sa+lHHSb0g9FZrN6qE6ru60JUJq w7ZybiBCaWRhciA8Ympvcm4uYmlkYXJAdGhhb2Rhbi5kZT6IlgQTFgoAPgIbAwULCQgHAgIiAgYV CgkICwIEFgIDAQIeBwIXgBYhBFHxdut1RzAepymoq1wbdKFlHF9oBQJk1/YmAhkBAAoJEFwbdKFl HF9oB9cBAJoIIGQKXm4cpap+Flxc/EGnYl0123lcEyzuduqvlDT0AQC3OlFKm/OiqJ8IMTrzJRZ8 phFssTkSrrFXnM2jm5PYDoiTBBMWCgA7FiEEUfF263VHMB6nKairXBt0oWUcX2gFAmTX6T4CGwMF CwkIBwICIgIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgcCF4AACgkQXBt0oWUcX2hbCQEAtru7kvM8hi8zo6z9ux2h K+B5xViKuo7Z8K3IXuK5ugwA+wUfKzomzdBPhfxDsqLcEziGRxoyx0Q3ld9aermBUccHtBxCasO2 cm4gQmlkYXIgPG1lQHRoYW9kYW4uZGU+iJMEExYKADsCGwMFCwkIBwICIgIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwEC HgcCF4AWIQRR8XbrdUcwHqcpqKtcG3ShZRxfaAUCZNf2FQAKCRBcG3ShZRxfaCzSAP4hZ7cSp0YN XYpcjHdsySh2MuBhhoPeLGXs+2kSiqBiOwD/TP8AgPEg/R+SI9GI9on7fBJJ0mp2IT8kZ2rhDOjg gA6IkwQTFgoAOxYhBFHxdut1RzAepymoq1wbdKFlHF9oBQJk1+ntAhsDBQsJCAcCAiICBhUKCQgL AgQWAgMBAh4HAheAAAoJEFwbdKFlHF9oBgwA/iQHwe0VL4Df4GGTYlNjMSHFlIkBmN4UfYGLYj3E TrOUAQC51M+M3cjsL8WHdpBz6VAo6df9d+rVwhQ9vQuFHqevArg4BGTX6T4SCisGAQQBl1UBBQEB B0Cbohc3JEfn005/cm0AOGjSsW1ZxAkgaoVNjbpqk4MgNAMBCAeIeAQYFgoAIBYhBFHxdut1RzAe pymoq1wbdKFlHF9oBQJk1+k+AhsMAAoJEFwbdKFlHF9ooHABAKGmrGBic/Vys3BBrOQiRB3Z7izO HwhqTRpAqFZtXS2nAQDZhp/5aYw1TZjTzkm1KVt9QiYnjd/MvxRE9iaY6x4mDbgzBGTX6T4WCSsG AQQB2kcPAQEHQAgRJq/tMcCCB2XyA5WZpu7GvpRx0m9IPRWazeqhOq7uiO8EGBYKACAWIQRR8Xbr dUcwHqcpqKtcG3ShZRxfaAUCZNf71AIbIgCBCRBcG3ShZRxfaHYgBBkWCgAdFiEEUfF263VHMB6n KairXBt0oWUcX2gFAmTX+9QACgkQXBt0oWUcX2jeSwD6AtWn0cuo8IF35YRo4o3cDRJnUfJnbvJy GxyCDThR+zYBAKG6/jdwmZkBQZKslnDAbMMd2WfiZZT5JW3IWC4EaKMO7HkBAKYPGZ3UbfkRvfFK S+pQ9CgtNfkSJQBtT1Ob7Y6nsacgAQCpyXN7yppmhW/oBgivITPy9Lkg+V4NK9WZYZCU9Q7LBA== Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2023 11:31:55 +0300 Message-ID: <87ttr6zt38.fsf@thaodan.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 66330 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , mirai@makinata.eu, 66330@debbugs.gnu.org, Maxim Cournoyer X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Michael Albinus writes: >>> 5. Observe that the Subject header in the email response being edited >>> has been changed to "Re: bug#65479: [PATCH core-updates 00/61] The >>> Draining of the XML & DocBook Swamp.", that is, the original subject of >>> the "bug" (its first message). >> >> This is a bad Subject line to begin with, from where I stand: it >> should not include the patch series numbers, and it should not assume >> there will be additional messages with different series numbers. >> >> The Subject lines in a bug/issue discussion should describe the >> bug/issue, not the patches sent to fix the issue. > > D'accord. But I guess the subject line quoted here is created by a tool > of the guix-patches toolchain. So first we shall agree about the rules > of that toolchain (I'm from Emacs, I won't dictate anything!). The `[PATCH patch-number/patch-count] Subject` subject format is also the generate format for Git patch-series. The Guix subject format is a variant of this. The subject changing could be an issue outside of Gnus. E.g when responding to a patch in git patch series outside of Guix. However I think it is a general issue that mail clients append Re: or some localized variation of it. The issue should also be reported to Guix. Other ticket/bugtracking systems might not like changing the subject either. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 04 04:45:54 2023 Received: (at 66330) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Oct 2023 08:45:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41490 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qnxVx-0001A1-TD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 04:45:54 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53046) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qnxVu-00019h-SY for 66330@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 04:45:52 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qnxVV-0002Ci-2B; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 04:45:25 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=ESE7oq1rOpT3iQHlWvgI8m5ECS2XuRP90JRIhFeXNJI=; b=UoiTZXQ1wPnXwV3DrdKV 1zy9WVtAuOPX1fuWLU9bGI6P9T/aNgeWVlv8Y/mk6qRSTU+YunWlgfFeLvI5wJsLsi9aEEbfuL6ND GBZjHekmY1ezV+xAtjfyDObtUvCfIqjieLV9LbkqwgDWrtqmHtl9iPd1WviDC7nzkVs3a8M3x06OC Y9oo0WCHyg1UmJF82A8LsSNN51dg9C34zIINuESHKGubPoJOcY7a89RuJsgiyvmorQutDsamvVdN+ csi9Vb0CYsTTIz2d0Xg4wi4lFHeQy+gYhbCaD2bm7W9/YASDyivcE5vt/ZaloPmPs/zIO/X1u+PRD E06kUcxHYHAjYw==; Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2023 11:45:15 +0300 Message-Id: <83fs2q6ajo.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn?= Bidar In-Reply-To: <87ttr6zt38.fsf@thaodan.de> (message from =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=F6rn?= Bidar on Wed, 04 Oct 2023 11:31:55 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#66330: 28.2; Gnus wide reply (S W) changes Subject header when used from Debbugs thread References: <87v8bn6xn1.fsf@gmail.com> <83mswy6e1k.fsf@gnu.org> <87sf6qhli9.fsf@gmx.de> <87ttr6zt38.fsf@thaodan.de> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 66330 Cc: mirai@makinata.eu, michael.albinus@gmx.de, 66330@debbugs.gnu.org, maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Björn Bidar > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , mirai@makinata.eu, > 66330@debbugs.gnu.org, Maxim Cournoyer > Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2023 11:31:55 +0300 > > Michael Albinus writes: > > >> The Subject lines in a bug/issue discussion should describe the > >> bug/issue, not the patches sent to fix the issue. > > > > D'accord. But I guess the subject line quoted here is created by a tool > > of the guix-patches toolchain. So first we shall agree about the rules > > of that toolchain (I'm from Emacs, I won't dictate anything!). > > The `[PATCH patch-number/patch-count] Subject` subject format is also the > generate format for Git patch-series. The Guix subject format is a > variant of this. > > The subject changing could be an issue outside of Gnus. E.g when > responding to a patch in git patch series outside of Guix. > > However I think it is a general issue that mail clients append Re: or > some localized variation of it. Re: and its localized variants are not a problem: all Emacs MUAs support that and know how to ignore them for threading purposes. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 04 05:11:59 2023 Received: (at 66330) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Oct 2023 09:11:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41548 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qnxvC-0001xk-EB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 05:11:59 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:55285) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qnxv4-0001xL-MS for 66330@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 05:11:56 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1696410685; x=1697015485; i=michael.albinus@gmx.de; bh=n49VWCCnQ+PfQL1vkLvtrRnlNNT+7/fV6ecWGfz64fw=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=nc0Fjp6bHccaYK10mPn0ojFG7K49Pi58NR4rGdiegsvEyBlrpwhdOMUc+JjUkiTODXlJ/DR+YU0 okwxSxc8O3hGX3cW/hbA8nEmwjL0/SjnC8/rpa+XFI/EVVQpvf/MYmdVVkCBwxJnQ60zFtuDn7DyS Hl0cr/3hZDABGK3SjwzhfiTp+V+uO4Vhzkqp3bwXDhy68R+U/GDoIJHt0SuffoR46SbAdL61ysBEb XI/Z4oGOZ7+sXLWwbA2xx9oZYx5HU68kuqdsMqSrCyWttal9bqeVqbNYrVqHtBQX5jL4VULYjDagE OOkTMABzSGVnNGcwog/Lo4QBrcluuShJC/oQ== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([185.89.39.30]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N79yQ-1rg2SG2eMO-017VlX; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 11:11:24 +0200 From: Michael Albinus To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#66330: 28.2; Gnus wide reply (S W) changes Subject header when used from Debbugs thread In-Reply-To: <83fs2q6ajo.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 04 Oct 2023 11:45:15 +0300") References: <87v8bn6xn1.fsf@gmail.com> <83mswy6e1k.fsf@gnu.org> <87sf6qhli9.fsf@gmx.de> <87ttr6zt38.fsf@thaodan.de> <83fs2q6ajo.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2023 11:11:23 +0200 Message-ID: <87cyxuhhvo.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:EENBYlbH5zEVf/UA+AwFZRS36vGXkDyFvUzrxu7V/lps5qCzPHo /GgRkRh/1K9n6etkKKV0Bl7tiyoREmetOz5qt8kJ/yQuhYZh6pFlj4iLk3rsmBmpmFKsPrQ jWyR1S7qQpixVJt6APhBRafUKUMjaMh/EzDzbhUlE2OuPLxLBkq6dC2D3y2+ks9YcqM3VSn nl+mrcVWN/y1ZzPkroZcg== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:MdSYXeTSTSg=;rpezjta9LqNq+fbGa4e2DrHbl3t ab97MLUL537NWXfUR57Jvdjr7lKlJp2LcdP64OaV3qy3tY5/Rs/x/sCn189ucBSuosrHKDOfM tAm4CgDNrupZDNwUmWDSWpIju4oXxhC3UEjVs48FXupF2Rle4o++iCHgenbVWhbP2dYLts6lT RLNmFtyrOuqTqCNsR6JjCMHBSVjlUHiWIJx9agH0PDNULCX4feiLdiZcPFtswnumP3vwtnyvv PDGsezc1bd0N2cUGfLacZiLHvRyl57fifs5aN4wGYESrkEZmtp/gpFthzlA5HP14G7ROpOz2a y+hjw5b507BKghnLwyg1RVBh7dPpyaWFJFRMJMfzxTsF9lQWd6kT5j0vljq3/JnDRPFW6fYyd 8fZfLEszUF8zTb07V6sZZA1C0gd1N5JTERPdMXesp0y1ggr0Koeb1aBvHHqjBTHpZ8ngbGXgs ktTzt+EW1iUnTnNgwZbWH6olQ/9dBuUww8HLGdx2fmIIHjKQJHh4qP+cDR9DDz91aY3ag7TX2 5/4nz19sjHjZpRwQJ19SwW+JaWonYeckXm6XxSkAP37E1eiOiTnEoW3PUBNp+vLwYH4sUZRgy d4dZ9svb4uJnNQ7VdwEmyAO3S7tO8LmK1LXAfWkmfLVpBW6HipwEIr7WtGLYaPnvJeQAI1dmf R3Re3gywuvco2Ai5iwLc0Pj6rfe8lcfsN0klY5l6OyEYHHaI4FcxfjzmYgf79CnpcAVsSe3S9 R5ntzjyBQIOPMKdMvHqAIbN6dxJdBte//FISrDmhNdUpxGMnFYQm/KnYcoLeR+kQZtoOy6Oht IzHL9Y6yIQfbaP2PynOADDS18rCKag4okbslJoNfUrhZy4dBBPG+GhMGbHYYV1xAL7sFh4OII Q2f4ednaH9XNCaYQ/7V49KNetv/HTBNBTR0TzaORHpaVNjwBz/jxVbAriH3hoImWQx6Gf5Ch6 jVq+ayqom42Yf1tkYh1dfIoj1T0= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 66330 Cc: =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6rn?= Bidar , mirai@makinata.eu, 66330@debbugs.gnu.org, maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: Hi Eli, >> The subject changing could be an issue outside of Gnus. E.g when >> responding to a patch in git patch series outside of Guix. >> >> However I think it is a general issue that mail clients append Re: or >> some localized variation of it. > > Re: and its localized variants are not a problem: all Emacs MUAs > support that and know how to ignore them for threading purposes. This is right in general. They have problems with cascaded localized prefixes, like "Re: AW: ". But that's another problem, and an edge case rather. Nothing I worry about. Best regards, Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 04 05:29:53 2023 Received: (at 66330) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Oct 2023 09:29:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41573 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qnyCX-0002Qt-GN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 05:29:53 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]:38313) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qnyCV-0002Qg-Gu for 66330@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 05:29:52 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1696411765; x=1697016565; i=michael.albinus@gmx.de; bh=t1XzeZwlLiU0WNjkrxu7RI5f/oZLw4OTvuQ1geDRrn8=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=Dpo72zaTymBvbrZAuLFPrbSPF3ptoFNFqsUiaeRnUPqH93saNXDDuz+HpO9LW6lPVQ2FL7S+hQi US9/0q+5h/Zp0lp8CBZDvNqToRJPVSvpIUFVUXBOmfOBAMgYr6EC7GTeWTA8zBpZPMpZakzGEQC8M rnfm9JVsdI4Vpr3A+5A8PYlGhtp2mK5MSvUONarELxZ/7bcR0wqVIAlbRPcpInpvUZVfb3uspisa8 Ez6xArLlJiiKqz57gCSuCIsUMW9RocLjZ793yEB7+cdxZRXfy2y9qtZ+LcOmI9WjNJqmE38NzI0Xz Imf/46I2RzEjyo1y0a66M05CGbvm88cPpemw== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([185.89.39.30]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MgesG-1rFbNB2Jp6-00h2IA; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 11:29:25 +0200 From: Michael Albinus To: =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6rn?= Bidar Subject: Re: bug#66330: 28.2; Gnus wide reply (S W) changes Subject header when used from Debbugs thread In-Reply-To: <87ttr6zt38.fsf@thaodan.de> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Bj=C3=B6rn?= Bidar"'s message of "Wed, 04 Oct 2023 11:31:55 +0300") References: <87v8bn6xn1.fsf@gmail.com> <83mswy6e1k.fsf@gnu.org> <87sf6qhli9.fsf@gmx.de> <87ttr6zt38.fsf@thaodan.de> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2023 11:29:24 +0200 Message-ID: <878r8ihh1n.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:yn6WcGFIBB6B465fc1VbLN1YwRw6zpot3W+AMWFAP9S/I4Vkzfe WsSjlFNZa3ApbzPy5sF7PItYBH8RE6u2veGZqF+poxvdarRbXmtTlx+phR+PKgqo0bc+h14 ye4qm4wjOf5tw/FEZLkLQN3XbsCFy9b4C/LRlpNBFBL6me0hUMMlYDdPJuKHCPEqX//ZCkW oxvqOYM7qHN5ZLiDJyZsQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:z4fiyeQZH4o=;5cRx48dpBIPQJOD3l42IJ77urNv rh/NmvXPw7axfgK/Q98UCA5wO6vWhdvB+yfTgTA9uMB6CRfj3kSE1QXn95Om/2NHLjWIcyZRP jAwtoyIbDd3arAD1UiVw8U/4aKQV+/k/d93nQpYo3K00WyuwseSKXq095kMTLRZeVeLcl+YWI 4vS+lSHuk2PhoBCMksq/qx33wA424cb1IaqtWLK6mtVJwjfClVthcKHRkibg1G3z/Ep9g1ZV5 8HHV/O1JGDJ/oisS0EHWmBUJdPwGz/zj212wGY9HAdiuZ6P/4BATGuWPxRc1ZDGuGIP72mkdS a7Yz4jKXwUJFQWrS7wVu1l6HSZe4dArXVEbJcTwkg47zc39vbeH0KwSuRXzBPjpDzdmeHR/Yw V+RZbyJ34R/MDUV6jgxzxUzMhdnf0syzul0NGy7MJIdCx5qegcvDNyvYuGsxuqIHTA9ODNPRk 1dRebgy+plL6wxzXVPnGklAjsrP7PqpE5eO4rTdeCABWcOSmEtlWOB6yBgipzZh9+RI+FQDqM vUPZIljHSG6Yje1fdI5IVjBHqdH4Paw5tRfI8NFCvorgBWRsQVKP/Dnt3CV6iyrCdXdcFVa04 kQRyWQeNZJGDISzFZDRL/ruvrj7pnZKX1qXAtVPsRYrB3BvPJjlBEl3DnEi2R8xX+t4hjJ/kX aTBYs888ZihboSHvQ2h/k/NC53F0U1I6v3T0qsgJ1zP1I0tIEcVDlcDSSnb/lg2eE0gACO7yU o6EoF/o6b1Tq9Z9UllConaNzsbRsvTJHRngfxqxd5ulaO4CWBjNIlYW5yt5tF3BVi9oNozPwu VZ/gG5G55UzHa0kws29khcjFXoD86eeZgfhcjHKN2IVK973TcoZA1JzVUtIXtdTLLXTPduFni kB1eTA6YW+CnXuAZUI/FYUMpI8S40xqCXey4eYqIgoSdaEzESuB0S3+9o3GjWMRFInAv8wBpl wTXcjA== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 66330 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , mirai@makinata.eu, 66330@debbugs.gnu.org, Maxim Cournoyer X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Bj=C3=B6rn Bidar writes: Hi Bj=C3=B6rn, >> D'accord. But I guess the subject line quoted here is created by a tool >> of the guix-patches toolchain. So first we shall agree about the rules >> of that toolchain (I'm from Emacs, I won't dictate anything!). > > The `[PATCH patch-number/patch-count] Subject` subject format is also the > generate format for Git patch-series. The Guix subject format is a > variant of this. So perhaps we check the subject of the message we reply to for --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- (rx "[PATCH" (? blank (1+ digit) "/" (1+ digit)) "]") --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- If it matches, we use the subject of the message for the reply, rather than the title of the bug report. The regexp should be offered as user option, of course. Best regards, Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 04 08:11:05 2023 Received: (at 66330) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Oct 2023 12:11:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41752 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qo0iX-00047N-9H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 08:11:05 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]:36383) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qo0iU-00046q-Bo for 66330@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 08:11:03 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1696421434; x=1697026234; i=michael.albinus@gmx.de; bh=ZWjyNTTBdgE80KDq8qFSWCI4Mhv0xyIPT3SXRAqcRuw=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=ij+XiuuTYlCaOe3ODU9T2FkcU3clL+Y8NTEJoUjVlKg2mlj/XVR94CY0/IoXOxEEI31rdSecFqG QrBSCrevO5uebI5oYKFATOxYmgvnnQ2LuTeGkfa2uK6z/kwqH5g5IhGxvOjnSJPCEy9qLwEaMHbI3 tOMhjdBkStW8s6v1FzLKhijGA6EyUTzd4MNtPgMALYvObUpa8C2WqJrvAOWLNlb3EZhJXXaLwtTf3 sP2P231pySd09J9pvdAG60T4LbU+HS/yvKtLTqpBv5j4GHACx9aR62Ij5D2DjBpjBrIIpX5HxjkBn GrKZfI2IqSzRLuMJazOtCiTy+b67Ft+YycUQ== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([185.89.39.30]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MHXBj-1qs9Yu48g5-00DU8z; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 14:10:34 +0200 From: Michael Albinus To: Maxim Cournoyer Subject: Re: bug#66330: 28.2; Gnus wide reply (S W) changes Subject header when used from Debbugs thread In-Reply-To: <87v8bn6xn1.fsf@gmail.com> (Maxim Cournoyer's message of "Tue, 03 Oct 2023 20:26:26 -0400") References: <87v8bn6xn1.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2023 14:10:33 +0200 Message-ID: <87o7heio5i.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:YizMevSzZQASm5V3UJq/qCbBGflcNVuTfcljaIn+oH1XUwxuHSZ YkX0O+xwtE1WrGA1y4FqHKpvZvnUxyt527LsqL2mT4qGvuHuWbxwuQN4/ZPbTaD9M2+CqJH B0fXHzFRLGYKz4AHPnV36KiMniZ9QWOO1zg8IvmvmoLHur8Fd5JYX//95VuJhMDP5Ms8cip wXXabruh07JS4y79QU0bQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:kF/kr1Ljsng=;pDYLPiPaWVB+TrjmHrvv6HF98mF fRmxcw3kmyGkpie+RYC45Aa/K0Veka4VBD5MoOJRjedNfRv2MlotTWdT4k7ag8kdDdnUdA0Xr K/zdzyP5tuwJXEe/1SEeTY5aIZvdl/+tEoPUFqTGULvrPI3wkXxh0iV/Egqmp8/1hSFzVGaX+ qhyLG7VDBG5YzwHrdQTKo/oqNA+0F8raHxQpEItD2TipeG+S5CJjMwUu+3yAAMfaKaK/Tn0P6 +/BAJlnNe548wcpSc1Opdnh7FoArBC00faAJMZROXDaPfkoUtpLaCR/2tMPdBydhV6HHBhAOh CngI1oTGJxfGp0ieQfy7z9Y1zn6mL5n0HWL/Ud3bXBc6+UPFeUvh+wrwFEPDnUDJeXer014k3 +vMCUKEj1xIuZuOYamdEYbmUoC1ERNe03asC94g+DWgN0MAV9lEqz45Xyq6jLmGoSgqDTLJlD BEdG0heC7jfTjVI+Jy973VQ0WTA+DdiHDZ3af9J7lBDuD5vKeE30aBGdNXHzq5SvRH13YWNzd SSEAU9r+RbdhH5sV2sccaFK2Dt9JeVlLwq6W1/jHYBnv6b7jpClgJIIHcT4qWCmN12PoIKV5X W7NuXF6IDQb/M4SmXWInEQafEBeQrQ3Kkm+OGfIcyvT3bpxFeSDWM2+ppkVT9PElEyMJODRl9 MEuLlRBDqyUH5fied9KboBEExLybTl+GQaaxRlTJdyVC64whpUObnrPILuaVdNTSGvsFmAHy0 iDFp1EcvgaNNLtQBIv8Cs5USgsUFw2J0wHz9PwGDFv/31957JhcGZwMWuwlMFLizAU2Lykpqk 3IhYMncABQeSJA9pIDJWJG6jrAGfonNa0tClJAoGUVHECoU9aMv5JuP4v+GATx9OQAasIIl+3 dNVqaNYexulhP1N4LJxyOoKynzy4cwbSC8GSAqovB/R9B8dy7xcCun8gpIwui5maDlqf/9WsZ eSDJRQG+J7tJ5b5Est5FU1tlBpY= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 66330 Cc: Bruno Victal , 66330@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Maxim Cournoyer writes: > Hi, Hi Maxim, > Would someone be able to explain what is responsible for this? It seems > to me it'd be preferable if the subject of the message I'm replying to > was kept rather than replaced this way, to preserve context. FTR, this behavior is due to setting a default subject via gnus-posting-styles in debbugs-gnu-summary-mode. Could you please check whether the appended patch helps? Best regards, Michael. --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-patch Content-Disposition: attachment Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable diff --git a/debbugs-gnu.el b/debbugs-gnu.el index f366fba11d..cd549e364d 100644 =2D-- a/debbugs-gnu.el +++ b/debbugs-gnu.el @@ -1747,6 +1747,12 @@ MERGED is the list of bugs merged with this one." (format "Re: bug#%d: %s" id (alist-get 'subject status))) (debbugs-gnu-summary-mode 1))) +(defcustom debbugs-gnu-summary-keep-subject + (rx "[PATCH" (? (0+ (not (any digit "/]"))) (1+ digit) "/" (1+ digit)) = "]") + "Regular expression which keeps the original message subject in replies= ." + :version "29.1" + :type 'regexp) + (defvar debbugs-gnu-summary-mode-map (let ((map (make-sparse-keymap))) (define-key map "C" #'debbugs-gnu-send-control-message) @@ -1778,6 +1784,8 @@ MERGED is the list of bugs merged with this one." 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[66.158.141.24]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m23-20020ae9e017000000b007740c0e52edsm1313908qkk.89.2023.10.04.07.58.05 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 04 Oct 2023 07:58:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Maxim Cournoyer To: Michael Albinus Subject: Re: bug#66330: 28.2; Gnus wide reply (S W) changes Subject header when used from Debbugs thread References: <87v8bn6xn1.fsf@gmail.com> <83mswy6e1k.fsf@gnu.org> <87sf6qhli9.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2023 10:58:04 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87sf6qhli9.fsf@gmx.de> (Michael Albinus's message of "Wed, 04 Oct 2023 09:53:02 +0200") Message-ID: <877co2305f.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 66330 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , mirai@makinata.eu, 66330@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hello, Michael Albinus writes: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > Hi Eli, > >>> When attempting to reply from an Emacs Debbugs thread specific email, >>> the Subject line gets set to the subject of the first email in the >>> thread rather than to that of the specific email I'm replying to, which >>> looses context. >> >> The Subject lines of emails pertaining to a discussion of a bug should >> never be changed. So I see no problem here, unless I'm missing >> something. >> >> Michael, am I wrong? > > Well, we haven't documented such a rule. But based on my experience I > would agree. There's often a message in the bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org ML > with the subject "bug#xxxxx: Patch" or alike, which doesn't help. I'm > too old to remember all the bug numbers and their related topic, and I > read only messages in that ML with topics I'm interested in. > >>> 1. M-x debbugs-gnu-bugs 65479 >>> >>> 2. Press 'a' to load the bug despite the lack of SSL certificates. >>> >>> 3. Navigate to the message titled: >>> [bug#65479] [PATCH core-updates 02/61] gnu: Add docbook-xml-5. >>> >>> 4. Press S W to send a wide reply. >>> >>> 5. Observe that the Subject header in the email response being edited >>> has been changed to "Re: bug#65479: [PATCH core-updates 00/61] The >>> Draining of the XML & DocBook Swamp.", that is, the original subject of >>> the "bug" (its first message). >> >> This is a bad Subject line to begin with, from where I stand: it >> should not include the patch series numbers, and it should not assume >> there will be additional messages with different series numbers. >> >> The Subject lines in a bug/issue discussion should describe the >> bug/issue, not the patches sent to fix the issue. When working on bugs, I agree this behavior makes sense, where the original bug title should be kept around. I'm fine with that behavior for the 'bug-guix' tracker, which tracks bugs. Where I'd like to be able to customize/change that behavior is when working with *patches* posted to guix-patches, which is also hosted on Debbugs. These patches typically get sent via 'git send-email' and include in their subject the patch number, e.g. [PATCH v2 12/62]. I want this preserved when reviewing the patch, so that participant knows what was reviewed. > D'accord. But I guess the subject line quoted here is created by a tool > of the guix-patches toolchain. So first we shall agree about the rules > of that toolchain (I'm from Emacs, I won't dictate anything!). > > If this is an agreed behavior, we could discuss about a debbugs-gnu user > option how to handle the subject line of replies, with a different > default value for guix-patches messages. The global default shouldn't be > changed. That sounds good to me. > Well, we even have already guix specific code, see debbugs-guix.el. I > would appreciate if somebody from the guix project supports me in > writing such a patch. I'm willing to work on it. It seems you draft a plan in another reply, which I'll look at now. -- Thanks, Maxim From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 04 12:34:34 2023 Received: (at 66330) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Oct 2023 16:34:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45189 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qo4pW-0005LJ-Da for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 12:34:34 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58634) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qo4pT-0005L4-0Q for 66330@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 12:34:33 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qo4p4-00023B-JP; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 12:34:06 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=PqjicAynouNTOUHcN07YZkRBk2nuE7LkQk1nA/mo01k=; b=JBCizFPpOg36sF7YNjqP 2NyTENeeb5oLwxB3udrvoZfkcBF7cDDWVEVEwhcVeNNAld9WQEcRCF0Aa3hAHYIAwfoBJZA7Wac2I 8fEvXEKIGgULQ3WdG4uoO8X5sgwBv2LR7YCvcWCFhhbI2JsUETN2cm6e7SJoVtFcWxmr9SsCmjDIw Ew2RfAzuOnf0r/R54wNWr5jRFJhU9B/Hy6vAOXbpMxt2Yr3ozYNPeT13wlvRk3J6v2yPLCtNx8hOn A2ovN42a6GxuCehMTQy0JsYQp3uzWwMP7I77C4TNrpP7sVOhvfcPoI/JzRaKssVnr7tWbKQNJpgSo jJ2JVvi0EWw8nw==; Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2023 19:33:47 +0300 Message-Id: <83edia5ous.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Michael Albinus In-Reply-To: <87cyxuhhvo.fsf@gmx.de> (message from Michael Albinus on Wed, 04 Oct 2023 11:11:23 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#66330: 28.2; Gnus wide reply (S W) changes Subject header when used from Debbugs thread References: <87v8bn6xn1.fsf@gmail.com> <83mswy6e1k.fsf@gnu.org> <87sf6qhli9.fsf@gmx.de> <87ttr6zt38.fsf@thaodan.de> <83fs2q6ajo.fsf@gnu.org> <87cyxuhhvo.fsf@gmx.de> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 66330 Cc: bjorn.bidar@thaodan.de, mirai@makinata.eu, 66330@debbugs.gnu.org, maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Michael Albinus > Cc: Björn Bidar , > mirai@makinata.eu, > 66330@debbugs.gnu.org, maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com > Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2023 11:11:23 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Re: and its localized variants are not a problem: all Emacs MUAs > > support that and know how to ignore them for threading purposes. > > This is right in general. They have problems with cascaded localized > prefixes, like "Re: AW: ". Maybe some of them do, but not all. > But that's another problem, and an edge case rather. Nothing I worry > about. Right. 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[66.158.141.24]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n9-20020a0c8c09000000b0065b08efe4dbsm1594840qvb.4.2023.10.04.13.12.30 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 04 Oct 2023 13:12:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Maxim Cournoyer To: Michael Albinus Subject: Re: bug#66330: 28.2; Gnus wide reply (S W) changes Subject header when used from Debbugs thread References: <87v8bn6xn1.fsf@gmail.com> <87o7heio5i.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2023 16:12:29 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87o7heio5i.fsf@gmx.de> (Michael Albinus's message of "Wed, 04 Oct 2023 14:10:33 +0200") Message-ID: <87y1gi170y.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 66330 Cc: Bruno Victal , 66330@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Michael, Michael Albinus writes: > Maxim Cournoyer writes: > >> Hi, > > Hi Maxim, > >> Would someone be able to explain what is responsible for this? It seems >> to me it'd be preferable if the subject of the message I'm replying to >> was kept rather than replaced this way, to preserve context. > > FTR, this behavior is due to setting a default subject via > gnus-posting-styles in debbugs-gnu-summary-mode. Could you please check > whether the appended patch helps? I've applied the patch and retried my original reproducer; it passes the test! So it seems useful to me already in the current form, thank you! Another thing that could be nice for the future would be some way for the user to customize the gnus-posting-styles used by Debbugs. That way I believe you could modify its behavior only for some particular "group", e.g. when sending to 'guix-patches'; but that seems trickier to implement. So I think the solution you propose is satisfactory! -- Thanks, Maxim From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 05 03:53:37 2023 Received: (at 66330-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Oct 2023 07:53:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45960 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qoJAu-0005wA-QD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 05 Oct 2023 03:53:37 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.20]:48465) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qoJAq-0005vr-LP for 66330-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 05 Oct 2023 03:53:36 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1696492387; x=1697097187; i=michael.albinus@gmx.de; bh=167M4yXlSJ4ZeHpgbbWo5zVUKS6dMJp8iZB9WblhVN8=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=HiepUIVFdiNg5J1eR/2TWKCKqTeMWCcBi5aH79WpBT9AUUDVRnDkCtNS8gk3esz06PMxLD2lSOB VLNDvdwW7i1LG7N6cn7+BbosHYdaXFbo7y4zA/EPsv1zoIxeA45IJTJY/gEVHNHFWkLc3VhSICcNl zbJMSo7BONPhMD9/Qc+yXBp8PxEI6yb0GdS6t+XNu2vdGThhXWyg5Ln/Qyyc8arrxBLJs+BkzOKqu 2qfMS/QUKjQfmO5DrbrZQRWiouBwjkar08+ALG0M0TbkgwTycxEki5+Jp392ipJb2BalcRGmYoeZN hj2RTCYYI5qK1NdJ4y8Wt7+kfB2Mf9SRL6Yw== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([185.89.39.30]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MatVb-1rL9oW0Bp5-00cTAo; Thu, 05 Oct 2023 09:53:07 +0200 From: Michael Albinus To: Maxim Cournoyer Subject: Re: bug#66330: 28.2; Gnus wide reply (S W) changes Subject header when used from Debbugs thread In-Reply-To: <87y1gi170y.fsf@gmail.com> (Maxim Cournoyer's message of "Wed, 04 Oct 2023 16:12:29 -0400") References: <87v8bn6xn1.fsf@gmail.com> <87o7heio5i.fsf@gmx.de> <87y1gi170y.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2023 09:53:06 +0200 Message-ID: <878r8h4ial.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:7xAeFFu9e7toYQjSdJdBD8WazpS2rg/xonvDkrAX348WXeHw2YY AY/aVWdhO8F9Hjn6qLzvUTptJB21w7PkWOLTkI6TkGCEtaZ/ordZV5yvRIX3+GE24y4Wh98 7jsb12iMQOpVvVH2yIvcvgI16ZttZe38jKf+qaIOmctMF0PZe5RoozorquWi5XajiEIGFdM JKw9O+acclX7jsQcXCXJA== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:STxLjuenwpA=;UdDPQal0O7NusrZusbLv1BKjr+4 x0CKux4z4fGCst6uBqDa/9wPXOsbdToEoPu32aS8kZGNONuubtJeqwb3tNDKSF5S9aBhSB4m+ 2WYLsDp8k/euYkXT9o9mxyLKqlnnqV1btcqX0UpmzvUvseeXoeQqnlqj606dPqWGWMSOyjr81 t6x65qU7S3FSQzv+CXdhPpguLm6xDz3GWd262BcukbKVwTiTAK7rf0FRCRJdLQ6S4YK8N1M5V 4fGRYdNIZOBrHaYVpjc6P8Ec14ypPl3RIliofc1x8w6gfT5qjVEAVTMYz2ss1Z9LpanWSHOwR 9nvyrJDyIDR8Tu0DjhrwgIKkD3B1u0VmbLe7huFFjLmFC036VgIvlt98fgVVeBNNOjLJ6WgM8 XYN2KOyzkVI0pWp36GzFrBs72rL3NhOHI4IMo3j3ZQ+vIiYHNTLyYx+l1UxcfU0s1w5Q6KuJt uJmdAo4eAzBzaYLwJWa9XRML0EV6MIjifWlJO79icw8TkxjTXH9RTOvUYMO2PMakrZr3FHTJ5 tbhiIAB/9W+tTivWpTXGXSTM1v2J2MJdmobqODV9aLg8eUiKzvSo4dBQs9laVBdiJZcWYADEa +JKZFzxnyhTHhwTtUVUjWny+XVsYef5ccr4wMecUjI2PVCB2AerIazzbWVcxlFKkU7Gtd5F7t oMjizTJgUwAn/yV8jmSZp56twy65pWnmhTBT48xTAduI99l8Rx3tzdPBP38qDaEH1awzyMhdo jfWoXOoRCETtxQhMTNe24OiySwV3hJin1XfA2tIZOTRwkjM8uXEvBwhLMorqlUunKin4fzpNo ri6pYztZQastgY0F5/FaMltkUIWCkva4pSpqx+PIRiWvMa4UwAfGl/MxYLY4SkMOrZ3O858TY UiJVWmdH+nm7OJagkL4NpbSljsSY2nTytyYHTHsgNjKAyPp6lMXs0JwL0AbJ8DYyG61AS4vGf CIvdtya5u8MyirO6a1p0+YrmgIY= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 66330-done Cc: Bruno Victal , 66330-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Maxim Cournoyer writes: > Hi Michael, Hi Maxim, >> FTR, this behavior is due to setting a default subject via >> gnus-posting-styles in debbugs-gnu-summary-mode. Could you please check >> whether the appended patch helps? > > I've applied the patch and retried my original reproducer; it passes the > test! So it seems useful to me already in the current form, thank you! > > Another thing that could be nice for the future would be some way for > the user to customize the gnus-posting-styles used by Debbugs. That way > I believe you could modify its behavior only for some particular > "group", e.g. when sending to 'guix-patches'; but that seems trickier > to implement. > > So I think the solution you propose is satisfactory! Thanks for the feedback. I've applied the patch to the GNU ELPA repository, and released debbugs 0.37. Shall be visible in a couple of hours. Further changes might be possible. But as you've said it is more complex, because some of the settings in gnus-posting-styles must be preserved. So we'll better wait for further requests if any. Closing the bug. Best regards, Michael. 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[66.158.151.116]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c18-20020ac86612000000b00410929fe3b9sm461056qtp.58.2023.10.05.06.00.25 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 05 Oct 2023 06:00:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Maxim Cournoyer To: Michael Albinus Subject: Re: bug#66330: 28.2; Gnus wide reply (S W) changes Subject header when used from Debbugs thread In-Reply-To: <878r8h4ial.fsf@gmx.de> (Michael Albinus's message of "Thu, 05 Oct 2023 09:53:06 +0200") References: <87v8bn6xn1.fsf@gmail.com> <87o7heio5i.fsf@gmx.de> <87y1gi170y.fsf@gmail.com> <878r8h4ial.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2023 09:00:23 -0400 Message-ID: <87h6n5teag.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 66330-done Cc: Bruno Victal , 66330-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Michael, Michael Albinus writes: [...] > Thanks for the feedback. I've applied the patch to the GNU ELPA > repository, and released debbugs 0.37. Shall be visible in a couple of > hours. > > Further changes might be possible. But as you've said it is more > complex, because some of the settings in gnus-posting-styles must be > preserved. So we'll better wait for further requests if any. > > Closing the bug. Excellent, thanks for the prompt resolution :-). -- Thanks, Maxim From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 06 02:48:49 2023 Received: (at 66330) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Oct 2023 06:48:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49038 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qoedj-0004Ef-Vq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 Oct 2023 02:48:49 -0400 Received: from thaodan.de ([2a03:4000:4f:f15::1]:42106) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qoedc-0004DI-Cl for 66330@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 Oct 2023 02:48:46 -0400 Received: from odin (dsl-trebng12-50dc77-87.dhcp.inet.fi [80.220.119.87]) by thaodan.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E2050D08DB8; Fri, 6 Oct 2023 09:48:15 +0300 (EEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=thaodan.de; s=mail; t=1696574896; bh=jGYzVXy3Lr38A4OJ4upHNCxlKC/Lf2kmWS1bIx3oRaA=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=SfbtWnKhM+iakKCw1uJ/n0fg6SVXYTDO16R5ziN/y1hj7iSf2MZPOOAy5uHFDUMwR 6fl9M8KYM1lnM/wjBQSWZSqZWFYFZNUi4gACbfit0tuejMxHK2FbL5FMa3ytv4Lb+D SKdIMT27f78dq2PMOTHhaVt/XFjcJKvtzG/bks8EIt+CowI3G7ovAIG52nQ785bFzo ulsX1ylvPR/XoZ/nsVpQ4l0MGXWeUoVETO6Uy4rIK0ZKlEe6Dj5nM81iTxyfYsfC6M CVwXwRqdcE7WN3X1nwqBTcxqZ+zrnWNYLwBCt6spkdwY4qLJx8tZtbIR1X4B6a+i+/ G2C1DHdwmz9pLtlvV1o0MSddl6ni0ShG0QG0+7eqg6rlzZHYiYvUkkATA0FA6bziHZ IsM6rUP58p3ZIGYah1yh3Kx7x9fdovPXx4lj/dXicARVDya2h3V5oWN1mWMaWln+Oh WyE/MFxD6qCOWM02xRsOvMCMpvF+Ls4B7pJkhB9YaHDdKmkwwDjH/oOSzT8CUwrr87 IVhHws5SIyDDXXGCJHUS+jJhiW1PftVwRAG4grk1FFArY5Yhy+4DHaZdTfPZptljQX AAjrSTqtejab1QU+R/MiXpx0wZxM18S4GXBWOTSkPPoDGSWMhZ6JdVMKqflD6kTbYY tcZZhlANIjwyjZC9WF9adeDA= From: =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6rn?= Bidar To: Michael Albinus Subject: Re: bug#66330: 28.2; Gnus wide reply (S W) changes Subject header when used from Debbugs thread In-Reply-To: <87cyxuhhvo.fsf@gmx.de> (Michael Albinus's message of "Wed, 04 Oct 2023 11:11:23 +0200") References: <87v8bn6xn1.fsf@gmail.com> <83mswy6e1k.fsf@gnu.org> <87sf6qhli9.fsf@gmx.de> <87ttr6zt38.fsf@thaodan.de> <83fs2q6ajo.fsf@gnu.org> <87cyxuhhvo.fsf@gmx.de> Autocrypt: addr=bjorn.bidar@thaodan.de; prefer-encrypt=nopreference; keydata= mDMEZNfpPhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdACBEmr+0xwIIHZfIDlZmm7sa+lHHSb0g9FZrN6qE6ru60JUJq w7ZybiBCaWRhciA8Ympvcm4uYmlkYXJAdGhhb2Rhbi5kZT6IlgQTFgoAPgIbAwULCQgHAgIiAgYV CgkICwIEFgIDAQIeBwIXgBYhBFHxdut1RzAepymoq1wbdKFlHF9oBQJk1/YmAhkBAAoJEFwbdKFl HF9oB9cBAJoIIGQKXm4cpap+Flxc/EGnYl0123lcEyzuduqvlDT0AQC3OlFKm/OiqJ8IMTrzJRZ8 phFssTkSrrFXnM2jm5PYDoiTBBMWCgA7FiEEUfF263VHMB6nKairXBt0oWUcX2gFAmTX6T4CGwMF CwkIBwICIgIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgcCF4AACgkQXBt0oWUcX2hbCQEAtru7kvM8hi8zo6z9ux2h K+B5xViKuo7Z8K3IXuK5ugwA+wUfKzomzdBPhfxDsqLcEziGRxoyx0Q3ld9aermBUccHtBxCasO2 cm4gQmlkYXIgPG1lQHRoYW9kYW4uZGU+iJMEExYKADsCGwMFCwkIBwICIgIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwEC HgcCF4AWIQRR8XbrdUcwHqcpqKtcG3ShZRxfaAUCZNf2FQAKCRBcG3ShZRxfaCzSAP4hZ7cSp0YN XYpcjHdsySh2MuBhhoPeLGXs+2kSiqBiOwD/TP8AgPEg/R+SI9GI9on7fBJJ0mp2IT8kZ2rhDOjg gA6IkwQTFgoAOxYhBFHxdut1RzAepymoq1wbdKFlHF9oBQJk1+ntAhsDBQsJCAcCAiICBhUKCQgL AgQWAgMBAh4HAheAAAoJEFwbdKFlHF9oBgwA/iQHwe0VL4Df4GGTYlNjMSHFlIkBmN4UfYGLYj3E TrOUAQC51M+M3cjsL8WHdpBz6VAo6df9d+rVwhQ9vQuFHqevArg4BGTX6T4SCisGAQQBl1UBBQEB B0Cbohc3JEfn005/cm0AOGjSsW1ZxAkgaoVNjbpqk4MgNAMBCAeIeAQYFgoAIBYhBFHxdut1RzAe pymoq1wbdKFlHF9oBQJk1+k+AhsMAAoJEFwbdKFlHF9ooHABAKGmrGBic/Vys3BBrOQiRB3Z7izO HwhqTRpAqFZtXS2nAQDZhp/5aYw1TZjTzkm1KVt9QiYnjd/MvxRE9iaY6x4mDbgzBGTX6T4WCSsG AQQB2kcPAQEHQAgRJq/tMcCCB2XyA5WZpu7GvpRx0m9IPRWazeqhOq7uiO8EGBYKACAWIQRR8Xbr dUcwHqcpqKtcG3ShZRxfaAUCZNf71AIbIgCBCRBcG3ShZRxfaHYgBBkWCgAdFiEEUfF263VHMB6n KairXBt0oWUcX2gFAmTX+9QACgkQXBt0oWUcX2jeSwD6AtWn0cuo8IF35YRo4o3cDRJnUfJnbvJy GxyCDThR+zYBAKG6/jdwmZkBQZKslnDAbMMd2WfiZZT5JW3IWC4EaKMO7HkBAKYPGZ3UbfkRvfFK S+pQ9CgtNfkSJQBtT1Ob7Y6nsacgAQCpyXN7yppmhW/oBgivITPy9Lkg+V4NK9WZYZCU9Q7LBA== Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2023 09:48:15 +0300 Message-ID: <87zg0wxn4g.fsf@thaodan.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 66330 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , mirai@makinata.eu, 66330@debbugs.gnu.org, maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Michael Albinus writes: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > Hi Eli, > >>> The subject changing could be an issue outside of Gnus. E.g when >>> responding to a patch in git patch series outside of Guix. >>> >>> However I think it is a general issue that mail clients append Re: or >>> some localized variation of it. >> >> Re: and its localized variants are not a problem: all Emacs MUAs >> support that and know how to ignore them for threading purposes. > > This is right in general. They have problems with cascaded localized > prefixes, like "Re: AW: ". But that's another problem, and an edge case > rather. Nothing I worry about. It depends on how far much you interact with people that don't speak English as their native language. But then it's a minor issue even it's not an edge case. From unknown Fri Aug 15 04:03:51 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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