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ERC buffer is no longer visible

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To: "J.P." <jp <at> neverwas.me>
Cc: tracker <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#66246: closed (ERC buffer is no longer visible)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2023 01:25:01 +0000

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From: BTD Master <btdmaster <at> disroot.org>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: ERC buffer is no longer visible
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2023 21:35:30 +0100

When I login through M-x erc (have also tried erc-tls with the same
results), the erc buffer is no longer visible. Emacs instead remains on
the previous buffer (in my case *scratch*). This did not happen in
previous versions.

I'm able to open the buffer when prompted when exiting emacs, but I am
not able to use it during the prompt state from C-x C-c.

Version: Arch Linux Emacs 29.1-4

Thanks.

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From: "J.P." <jp <at> neverwas.me>
To: 66246-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Cc: Corwin Brust <corwin <at> bru.st>, emacs-erc <at> gnu.org,
 BTD Master <btdmaster <at> disroot.org>
Subject: Re: bug#66246: ERC buffer is no longer visible
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2023 18:24:27 -0700

BTD Master <btdmaster <at> disroot.org> writes:

> Hi,
>
> I appreciate the clarification, and I think input stealing is at best
> rude and a worst a security risk, this is true. But I have gone from
> confused to aggrieved.
>
> Also, I guess Arch does not package erc-news? It does not exist. [No
> match] (It's not an issue, I don't mind)

If you mean the command `erc-news', it only exists on master. It does
expect to find an existing etc/ERC-NEWS, but you can optionally download
and display the version from emacs.git by invoking it with C-u.

> If there is still a chance to change this behaviour,

If you mean in Emacs 29, I'd say probably not. We also can't patch ERC
5.5 because GNU ELPA only allows :core packages to track master, which
is already at 5.6.

> may I recommend
> either:
> 1. erc-not-interactive as a command for programmatic use, and revert to
> the previous behavior (my preferred option) OR
> 2. erc-interactive as a command for interactive use, and tell users
> that still use erc or erc-tls or similar that they might want to
> use that
>
> Of course, if neither suggestion is good, I'll get used to the extra
> line in the configuration file, but I might bet a few GNU Bucks that I
> won't be the last filing this pseudo-bug.
>
> All the best, no hard feelings,
> b

I guess you weren't able to try the version on HEAD (ERC 5.6-git). Some
of what you propose is more or less present in the new behavior.

Thanks and closing.

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