From unknown Tue Jun 17 03:40:03 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#66246 <66246@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#66246 <66246@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: ERC buffer is no longer visible Reply-To: bug#66246 <66246@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2025 10:40:03 +0000 retitle 66246 ERC buffer is no longer visible reassign 66246 emacs submitter 66246 BTD Master severity 66246 normal tag 66246 notabug thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 27 17:29:48 2023 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Sep 2023 21:29:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52612 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qlc6M-0006hV-Iz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2023 17:29:48 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:470:142::17]:46226) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qlbGS-0005Ai-Pb for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2023 16:36:10 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qlbG8-0000W7-Ni for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2023 16:35:48 -0400 Received: from layka.disroot.org ([178.21.23.139]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qlbG6-00025f-42 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2023 16:35:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by disroot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AAC4407D6 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2023 22:35:33 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: SPAM Filter at disroot.org Received: from layka.disroot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (disroot.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pG3GJ59afjT6 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2023 22:35:32 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2023 21:35:30 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=disroot.org; s=mail; t=1695846932; bh=k/N6nIDrZ8awC0/QiLY1neUDfw5jwYmAqnBcBzzgOIU=; h=Date:From:To:Subject; b=IZwp3BiV8WPawYhu5Ndy19lNWulBKKV/hf4LKIBjqSdExUVdxZyP90bNY1SADr4nK +GztGri0b8yYq78bz77bx3vmwdcNoE1p9ZilyH6gHrkWps+XtLp2/ZmCNokZlG0X/g bVwukH255JLhbnFCZPf1HB/oVbi1k89xjMeBRAMju3INZRUYVTm4TJCGbj4b5OaP3c Xl74/rrJbUangznfFEAeKgCbTbakrNem2sPV1wEqkJHaaR2pvS0l0ddmoM/cd+bWAB RTbRIpmrhqcg25z6DBEj2GXOTtx5jxGesn8YJce4maVz9StqcbDm59sduCzyvg7b8N wk12YIEW8PiNQ== From: BTD Master To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: ERC buffer is no longer visible Message-ID: <20230927213502.4912256a@disroot.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass client-ip=178.21.23.139; envelope-from=btdmaster@disroot.org; helo=layka.disroot.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 27 Sep 2023 17:29:45 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) When I login through M-x erc (have also tried erc-tls with the same results), the erc buffer is no longer visible. Emacs instead remains on the previous buffer (in my case *scratch*). This did not happen in previous versions. I'm able to open the buffer when prompted when exiting emacs, but I am not able to use it during the prompt state from C-x C-c. Version: Arch Linux Emacs 29.1-4 Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 27 17:54:18 2023 Received: (at 66246) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Sep 2023 21:54:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52623 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qlcU6-0007Su-4V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2023 17:54:18 -0400 Received: from mail-ot1-f47.google.com ([209.85.210.47]:56718) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qlcU0-0007Sc-MP for 66246@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2023 17:54:16 -0400 Received: by mail-ot1-f47.google.com with SMTP id 46e09a7af769-6c615df24c0so2297207a34.1 for <66246@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 27 Sep 2023 14:53:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1695851633; x=1696456433; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=serYVisKCxFkBhiK+QmOwPN1+qBEgPst4j3qo9VphYM=; b=qEtWJAKxl9e+Y8GxAYA3HYy9TAE25zz4pZPtH7kldteKeoTzqPj7g0ogyGWvcMwP8Q VmwP3uspsRb/ZG4SpzI1BkxeLz9GxozOYb8KAhNtJhor0MFo5GuNWCZ9gOHaEfmbFlUd jdMZvrhwG5XumM8PG8sdkDOa0PQ1CrHVEo+FGkho5AFY9Zfb7JOgWNxGId+qQ1bAH3Ex ndtOCJOr4d4YepJINxa01V46A6OA9Idfoiozkg8bgbgV5HyP7HCFFSbO+AdMnOnbz8Ow Muaca2ZuRDl3SZtTObzMN0c9gcbPSDyMqc9g8BfBmGlY/vnlQy2ZRPfowF1Swpsmfswl Mn4w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyIZruOLOmvKIRsYYNsgi3DB/d0TNfXN3vflbTMA6FCVpVnHESa 29PDvvHkKFMPKjkOJfIUlCOEpc+cGP0drFyxptM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEGN0wwUtlUD/jqVBcsLEarXBi9NtXFTEVnkhC1MGCGX3/W20tNa/l5bFwKPrITOf1O2hWIwGNx1FmJZzbVlLc= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:4d86:0:b0:6c4:bf61:7f21 with SMTP id u6-20020a9d4d86000000b006c4bf617f21mr3221550otk.3.1695851633049; Wed, 27 Sep 2023 14:53:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20230927213502.4912256a@disroot.org> In-Reply-To: <20230927213502.4912256a@disroot.org> From: Corwin Brust Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2023 16:53:42 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#66246: ERC buffer is no longer visible To: BTD Master Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 66246 Cc: 66246@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 3:35=E2=80=AFPM BTD Master via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors wrote: > > When I login through M-x erc (have also tried erc-tls with the same > results), the erc buffer is no longer visible. Emacs instead remains on > the previous buffer (in my case *scratch*). This did not happen in > previous versions. > > I'm able to open the buffer when prompted when exiting emacs, but I am > not able to use it during the prompt state from C-x C-c. > > Version: Arch Linux Emacs 29.1-4 > > Thanks. Hi. The on-join window handling behaviors saw some changes in 29.1 (ERC 5.5) and more are in progress for Emacs 30 (ERC 5.6-git on GNU ELPA devel). IIUC, this was motivated because "rolling buffers though the active window" was seen as being a potential security hazard. Please look at ERC NEWS file (M-x erc-news RET) and also the variable 'erc-interactive-display' which you almost certainly want to set up in your Emacs configuration, going forward. Once you review those let us know if that clears things up or if you suspect there may be a bug here. If you do believe there's a bug it may be helpful to have the full output produced by M-x report-emacs-bug (ideally from a session where you've minimally reproduced the problem, so starting from -Q or such). Corwin From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 27 18:45:19 2023 Received: (at 66246) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Sep 2023 22:45:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52669 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qldHS-0002vc-TU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2023 18:45:19 -0400 Received: from mail-108-mta15.mxroute.com ([136.175.108.15]:35543) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qldHN-0002vP-IG for 66246@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2023 18:45:17 -0400 Received: from mail-111-mta2.mxroute.com ([136.175.111.2] filter006.mxroute.com) (Authenticated sender: mN4UYu2MZsgR) by mail-108-mta15.mxroute.com (ZoneMTA) with ESMTPSA id 18ad8d11eaa000d7b6.002 for <66246@debbugs.gnu.org> (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384); Wed, 27 Sep 2023 22:44:58 +0000 X-Zone-Loop: a8635ffd31026e27166b5c2b27c4c686df12896d483b X-Originating-IP: [136.175.111.2] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=neverwas.me ; s=x; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date: References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=oC7yTl/V1dNmYDHtD9parTA0OZFL8aaFkDdQ9FOENC8=; b=E57HHa6xA3Zp88r6OD8LkLlurd 7lXBFNHnlqw4QuSApQyz4reB2ZKI7v1KP+rLEhQlRaL6N8MYWaxUi232w+/FgSJl7zFMgMwtf8wWO xrXhis1XIxYr++40Gfwrkj2qRLFeQuwCiWav1GGqKI66gHNT9zT8wPwOXEf2a9LltRB9wh0nV8Vk5 gyqEBHypsvmySAhjW+cHq2HmxyjqGi+QmShrhYIG1HATkSSNcQXm0RquA/w/ZQRtjHL/LytqXdIxt lPL3WLXZyB8rVloGoMcO8yZoOCBBMe9IhqEpr8kMjPjdwr54cWFuv093B+MIQhsMMqKBL1ZV5iX6c 6dGq5yPQ==; From: "J.P." To: 66246@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#66246: ERC buffer is no longer visible In-Reply-To: (Corwin Brust's message of "Wed, 27 Sep 2023 16:53:42 -0500") References: <20230927213502.4912256a@disroot.org> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2023 15:44:53 -0700 Message-ID: <874jjfw80q.fsf@neverwas.me> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Authenticated-Id: masked@neverwas.me X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 66246 Cc: Corwin Brust , emacs-erc@gnu.org, BTD Master X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi BTD Master, Corwin Brust writes: > On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 3:35=E2=80=AFPM BTD Master via Bug reports for GNU > Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors > wrote: >> >> When I login through M-x erc (have also tried erc-tls with the same >> results), the erc buffer is no longer visible. Emacs instead remains on >> the previous buffer (in my case *scratch*). This did not happen in >> previous versions. >> >> I'm able to open the buffer when prompted when exiting emacs, but I am >> not able to use it during the prompt state from C-x C-c. >> >> Version: Arch Linux Emacs 29.1-4 >> >> Thanks. > > Hi. The on-join window handling behaviors saw some changes in 29.1 > (ERC 5.5) and more are in progress for Emacs 30 (ERC 5.6-git on GNU > ELPA devel). IIUC, this was motivated because "rolling buffers though > the active window" was seen as being a potential security hazard. > > Please look at ERC NEWS file (M-x erc-news RET) and also the variable > 'erc-interactive-display' which you almost certainly want to set up in > your Emacs configuration, going forward. Once you review those let us > know if that clears things up or if you suspect there may be a bug > here. If you do believe there's a bug it may be helpful to have the > full output produced by M-x report-emacs-bug (ideally from a session > where you've minimally reproduced the problem, so starting from -Q or > such). As Corwin helpfully explained, what you're seeing is intentional (believe it or not) [1]. Just to be clear, you can get the old default back by doing (setopt erc-join-buffer 'buffer) or M-x customize-group RET erc-buffers RET C-s erc join buffer RET toggling the arrow for item Erc Join Buffer and choosing "4 =3D Use current buffer" from the "Value Menu" and then doing C-x C-s or similar to commit the new value Of course, if you're feeling aggrieved by this development, please make a case for an alternative [2]. But before that, please consider trying the new behavior on master [3]. (The option mentioned by Corwin, `erc-interactive-display', is new in ERC 5.6). Thanks, J.P. P.S. In addition to `report-emacs-bug', you can also try M-x erc-bug RET, which adds the header "X-Debbugs-CC: emacs-erc@gnu.org" to your initial email (so we get a copy on ERC's own mailing list) [4]. 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To: 66246-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#66246: ERC buffer is no longer visible In-Reply-To: <20230930130800.60d0d3a6@disroot.org> (BTD Master's message of "Sat, 30 Sep 2023 13:08:00 +0100") References: <20230927213502.4912256a@disroot.org> <874jjfw80q.fsf@neverwas.me> <20230930130800.60d0d3a6@disroot.org> Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2023 18:24:27 -0700 Message-ID: <87edicsdkk.fsf@neverwas.me> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Authenticated-Id: masked@neverwas.me X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 66246-done Cc: Corwin Brust , emacs-erc@gnu.org, BTD Master X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) BTD Master writes: > Hi, > > I appreciate the clarification, and I think input stealing is at best > rude and a worst a security risk, this is true. But I have gone from > confused to aggrieved. > > Also, I guess Arch does not package erc-news? It does not exist. [No > match] (It's not an issue, I don't mind) If you mean the command `erc-news', it only exists on master. It does expect to find an existing etc/ERC-NEWS, but you can optionally download and display the version from emacs.git by invoking it with C-u. > If there is still a chance to change this behaviour, If you mean in Emacs 29, I'd say probably not. We also can't patch ERC 5.5 because GNU ELPA only allows :core packages to track master, which is already at 5.6. > may I recommend > either: > 1. erc-not-interactive as a command for programmatic use, and revert to > the previous behavior (my preferred option) OR > 2. erc-interactive as a command for interactive use, and tell users > that still use erc or erc-tls or similar that they might want to > use that > > Of course, if neither suggestion is good, I'll get used to the extra > line in the configuration file, but I might bet a few GNU Bucks that I > won't be the last filing this pseudo-bug. > > All the best, no hard feelings, > b I guess you weren't able to try the version on HEAD (ERC 5.6-git). Some of what you propose is more or less present in the new behavior. Thanks and closing. 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