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29.1; yank-pop behaviour description in info

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From: Daniel Vianna <dmlvianna <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 29.1; yank-pop behaviour description in info
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2023 13:36:35 +1000

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Started emacs with `emacs -Q`
 C-h i, then browsed to Emacs Intro Tutorial, 10.3 Exercises with Yank and
nthcdr

I believe the behaviour of `yank-pop` (M-y) changed from the behaviour
described
in the tutorial. It gives options for autocompletion rather than cycling
the values within
the `kill-ring` variable. It would be desirable to rewrite that exercise to
reflect the actual
behaviour of the emacs interface.

Of further interest is that `kill-ring` now stores more than just the
strings, but also
many font properties. I believe this should be noted in the tutorial, so it
doesn't confuse
readers.

Cheers, Daniel.

In GNU Emacs 29.1 (build 2, x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version
 3.24.38, cairo version 1.17.8) of 2023-07-28 built on jabuticaba
Repository revision: c2d95dd00e6cb0abaf4e7550f38c8c2c9ca22f2d
Repository branch: emacs-29
System Description: Fedora Linux 38 (Workstation Edition)

Configured using:
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Major mode: Lisp Interaction

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Message #8 received at 65771 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Daniel Vianna <dmlvianna <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 65771 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#65771: 29.1; yank-pop behaviour description in info
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2023 15:08:29 +0300

> From: Daniel Vianna <dmlvianna <at> gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2023 13:36:35 +1000
> 
> Started emacs with `emacs -Q`
>  C-h i, then browsed to Emacs Intro Tutorial, 10.3 Exercises with Yank and nthcdr

To clarify: this is in the "" manual, the node "yank nthcdr
Exercises".

After reading that node, I don't see where it describes the behavior
incorrectly.  What it describes is what M-y does after C-y, and that
didn't change.  What _have_ changed is that now M-y can be invoked
after a command other than C-y or M-y.  This new behavior is simply
not mentioned in that node.

> Of further interest is that `kill-ring` now stores more than just the strings, but also
> many font properties. I believe this should be noted in the tutorial, so it doesn't confuse
> readers.

When did C-y and M-y NOT yank text with its properties?  I thought it
was always the case?

Message #11 received at 65771 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: dmlvianna <at> gmail.com
Cc: 65771 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#65771: 29.1; yank-pop behaviour description in info
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2023 15:44:53 +0300

> Cc: 65771 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2023 15:08:29 +0300
> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
> 
> > From: Daniel Vianna <dmlvianna <at> gmail.com>
> > Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2023 13:36:35 +1000
> > 
> > Started emacs with `emacs -Q`
> >  C-h i, then browsed to Emacs Intro Tutorial, 10.3 Exercises with Yank and nthcdr
> 
> To clarify: this is in the "" manual, the node "yank nthcdr
> Exercises".

Sorry, forgot to fill in the blanks.  It was supposed to say

  To clarify: this is in the "Introduction to Programming in Emacs
Lisp" manual, the node "yank nthcdr Exercises".

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