Subject: Re: bug#65734: [BUG] kill-whole-line on folded subtrees [9.6.8 (release_9.6.8-3-g21171d @ /home/w/usr/emacs/0/29/0/lisp/org/)]

From: Sebastian Miele <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2023 12:27:28 +0200

> From: Eli Zaretskii <[email-masked]>
> Date: Thu, 2023-09-07 13:19 +0300
>
>> From: Ihor Radchenko <[email-masked]>
>> Cc: [email-masked], [email-masked], [email-masked]
>> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2023 10:00:49 +0000
>> 
>> Eli Zaretskii <[email-masked]> writes:
>> 
>> > Then perhaps just a special value for buffer-invisibility-spec, or
>> > some other simple variation of a property Org already uses?
>> 
>> We may have a misunderstanding here.
>> In "* Heading text :tag1:tag2:", everything is visible yet Org needs to
>> protect ":tag1:tag2: from being killed by `kill-line', but not from
>> `kill-whole-line'. Moreover, the behaviour also depends on the point
>> position - if point is inside ":tag1:tag2:", we fall back to the default
>> behaviour. And the whole "special" behaviour can also be switched off by
>> flipping `org-special-ctrl-k'.
>> 
>> Invisibility has nothing to do with this need.
>
> Isn't it true that invisibility is what causes the user expectations
> in this case to begin with?  Then saying that "invisibility has
> nothing to do with this" is not really accurate, is it?

I am not 100 % sure what exactly the misunderstanding is.  My first
guess would be: You assume that the tags are invisible, too.  But that
is not the case.  Because of that the special handling of tags by
`org-kill-line' has nothing to do with visibility.