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30.0.50; jerky image movements when zoomed

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From: Manuel Giraud <manuel <at> ledu-giraud.fr>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 30.0.50; jerky image movements when zoomed
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 16:45:31 +0200

Hi,

When opening a rather big image into a quite big Emacs window, movements
(C-n, C-p, C-f, C-b) are smooth at original image size but are jerky
whenever there is some zooming (in or out) involved.

Recipe:
        - emacs -Q
        - 'C-x C-f' "a big image.jpg"
        - 's o' (image-transform-reset-to-original)
        - keep 'C-n' pressed, keep 'C-f' pressed -> movements are smooth
        - 'i -' (image-decrease-size)
        - keep 'C-n' pressed, keep 'C-f' pressed -> movements are jerky

Best regards,


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-- 
Manuel Giraud

Message #8 received at 65432 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Manuel Giraud <manuel <at> ledu-giraud.fr>
Cc: 65432 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#65432: 30.0.50; jerky image movements when zoomed
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 22:10:03 +0300

> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 16:45:31 +0200
> From:  Manuel Giraud via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs,
>  the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org>
> 
> When opening a rather big image into a quite big Emacs window, movements
> (C-n, C-p, C-f, C-b) are smooth at original image size but are jerky
> whenever there is some zooming (in or out) involved.
> 
> Recipe:
>         - emacs -Q
>         - 'C-x C-f' "a big image.jpg"
>         - 's o' (image-transform-reset-to-original)
>         - keep 'C-n' pressed, keep 'C-f' pressed -> movements are smooth
>         - 'i -' (image-decrease-size)
>         - keep 'C-n' pressed, keep 'C-f' pressed -> movements are jerky

I cannot reproduce this, on MS-Windows.  I see no difference between
"jerkyness" of motion commands before and after 'i -'.

Message #11 received at 65432 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 65432 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Manuel Giraud <manuel <at> ledu-giraud.fr>
Subject: Re: bug#65432: 30.0.50; jerky image movements when zoomed
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 10:59:22 +0800

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

>> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 16:45:31 +0200
>> From:  Manuel Giraud via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs,
>>  the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org>
>> 
>> When opening a rather big image into a quite big Emacs window, movements
>> (C-n, C-p, C-f, C-b) are smooth at original image size but are jerky
>> whenever there is some zooming (in or out) involved.
>> 
>> Recipe:
>>         - emacs -Q
>>         - 'C-x C-f' "a big image.jpg"
>>         - 's o' (image-transform-reset-to-original)
>>         - keep 'C-n' pressed, keep 'C-f' pressed -> movements are smooth
>>         - 'i -' (image-decrease-size)
>>         - keep 'C-n' pressed, keep 'C-f' pressed -> movements are jerky
>
> I cannot reproduce this, on MS-Windows.  I see no difference between
> "jerkyness" of motion commands before and after 'i -'.

This is a known inefficiency with Cairo's implementation of affine
transforms.  AFAICT, Cairo performs the transform on the CPU, which is
aggravated by uploading the complete bitmap to the X server every time
the image is displayed.

Building without Cairo should induce Emacs to utilize XRender transforms
instead, ameliorating this problem.

Message #14 received at 65432 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Manuel Giraud <manuel <at> ledu-giraud.fr>
To: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 65432 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#65432: 30.0.50; jerky image movements when zoomed
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 15:48:55 +0200

Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com> writes:

[...]

>> I cannot reproduce this, on MS-Windows.  I see no difference between
>> "jerkyness" of motion commands before and after 'i -'.
>
> This is a known inefficiency with Cairo's implementation of affine
> transforms.  AFAICT, Cairo performs the transform on the CPU, which is
> aggravated by uploading the complete bitmap to the X server every time
> the image is displayed.
>
> Building without Cairo should induce Emacs to utilize XRender transforms
> instead, ameliorating this problem.

Thanks, I'm going to try without Cairo.  But would it be possible to
have Emacs using cairo for everything except for raster images?
-- 
Manuel Giraud

Message #17 received at 65432 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Manuel Giraud <manuel <at> ledu-giraud.fr>
To: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 65432 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#65432: 30.0.50; jerky image movements when zoomed
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 16:41:01 +0200

So I have built "--without-cairo" and it fixes this issue (movements are
smooth whatever the zoom).  But now I have the following warning when
building:

configure:55221: WARNING: This configuration uses libXft, which has a number of
    font rendering issues, and is being considered for removal in the
    next release of Emacs.  Please consider using Cairo graphics +
    HarfBuzz text shaping instead (they are auto-detected if the
    relevant development headers are installed).

So giving up on cairo does not seem like a good idea :-/
-- 
Manuel Giraud

Message #20 received at 65432 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
Cc: 65432 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, manuel <at> ledu-giraud.fr
Subject: Re: bug#65432: 30.0.50; jerky image movements when zoomed
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2023 10:58:56 +0300

> From: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
> Cc: Manuel Giraud <manuel <at> ledu-giraud.fr>,  65432 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 10:59:22 +0800
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
> 
> >> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 16:45:31 +0200
> >> From:  Manuel Giraud via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs,
> >>  the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org>
> >> 
> >> When opening a rather big image into a quite big Emacs window, movements
> >> (C-n, C-p, C-f, C-b) are smooth at original image size but are jerky
> >> whenever there is some zooming (in or out) involved.
> >> 
> >> Recipe:
> >>         - emacs -Q
> >>         - 'C-x C-f' "a big image.jpg"
> >>         - 's o' (image-transform-reset-to-original)
> >>         - keep 'C-n' pressed, keep 'C-f' pressed -> movements are smooth
> >>         - 'i -' (image-decrease-size)
> >>         - keep 'C-n' pressed, keep 'C-f' pressed -> movements are jerky
> >
> > I cannot reproduce this, on MS-Windows.  I see no difference between
> > "jerkyness" of motion commands before and after 'i -'.
> 
> This is a known inefficiency with Cairo's implementation of affine
> transforms.  AFAICT, Cairo performs the transform on the CPU, which is
> aggravated by uploading the complete bitmap to the X server every time
> the image is displayed.
> 
> Building without Cairo should induce Emacs to utilize XRender transforms
> instead, ameliorating this problem.

Should this be in PROBLEMS?

Message #23 received at 65432 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: luangruo <at> yahoo.com
Cc: 65432 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, manuel <at> ledu-giraud.fr
Subject: Re: bug#65432: 30.0.50; jerky image movements when zoomed
Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2023 10:31:28 +0300

Ping!  Should we mention this issue in PROBLEMS?

> Cc: 65432 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, manuel <at> ledu-giraud.fr
> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2023 10:58:56 +0300
> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
> 
> > From: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
> > Cc: Manuel Giraud <manuel <at> ledu-giraud.fr>,  65432 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> > Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 10:59:22 +0800
> > 
> > Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
> > 
> > >> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 16:45:31 +0200
> > >> From:  Manuel Giraud via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs,
> > >>  the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org>
> > >> 
> > >> When opening a rather big image into a quite big Emacs window, movements
> > >> (C-n, C-p, C-f, C-b) are smooth at original image size but are jerky
> > >> whenever there is some zooming (in or out) involved.
> > >> 
> > >> Recipe:
> > >>         - emacs -Q
> > >>         - 'C-x C-f' "a big image.jpg"
> > >>         - 's o' (image-transform-reset-to-original)
> > >>         - keep 'C-n' pressed, keep 'C-f' pressed -> movements are smooth
> > >>         - 'i -' (image-decrease-size)
> > >>         - keep 'C-n' pressed, keep 'C-f' pressed -> movements are jerky
> > >
> > > I cannot reproduce this, on MS-Windows.  I see no difference between
> > > "jerkyness" of motion commands before and after 'i -'.
> > 
> > This is a known inefficiency with Cairo's implementation of affine
> > transforms.  AFAICT, Cairo performs the transform on the CPU, which is
> > aggravated by uploading the complete bitmap to the X server every time
> > the image is displayed.
> > 
> > Building without Cairo should induce Emacs to utilize XRender transforms
> > instead, ameliorating this problem.
> 
> Should this be in PROBLEMS?
> 
> 
> 
> 

Message #26 received at 65432 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 65432 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, manuel <at> ledu-giraud.fr
Subject: Re: bug#65432: 30.0.50; jerky image movements when zoomed
Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2023 15:35:05 +0800

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

> Ping!  Should we mention this issue in PROBLEMS?

I think so.  I will write an entry.

Message #31 received at 65432-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
Cc: manuel <at> ledu-giraud.fr, 65432-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#65432: 30.0.50; jerky image movements when zoomed
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2023 09:05:04 +0300

> From: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
> Cc: 65432 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,  manuel <at> ledu-giraud.fr
> Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2023 15:35:05 +0800
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > Ping!  Should we mention this issue in PROBLEMS?
> 
> I think so.  I will write an entry.

I see you've written it on the emacs-29 branch, so I'm now closing
this bug.

Thanks.

Message #34 received at 65432-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Manuel Giraud <manuel <at> ledu-giraud.fr>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>, 65432-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#65432: 30.0.50; jerky image movements when zoomed
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2023 15:41:52 +0200

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

>> From: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
>> Cc: 65432 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,  manuel <at> ledu-giraud.fr
>> Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2023 15:35:05 +0800
>> 
>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
>> 
>> > Ping!  Should we mention this issue in PROBLEMS?
>> 
>> I think so.  I will write an entry.
>
> I see you've written it on the emacs-29 branch, so I'm now closing
> this bug.

Ok.  I'm currently using "--without-cairo" to fix this issue.  FTR, Po,
what is the drawback of not using cairo in Emacs?  Thanks.
-- 
Manuel Giraud

Message #37 received at 65432-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
To: Manuel Giraud <manuel <at> ledu-giraud.fr>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 65432-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#65432: 30.0.50; jerky image movements when zoomed
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2023 21:50:56 +0800

Manuel Giraud <manuel <at> ledu-giraud.fr> writes:

> Ok.  I'm currently using "--without-cairo" to fix this issue.  FTR, Po,
> what is the drawback of not using cairo in Emacs?  Thanks.

Color fonts will cease functioning, which shouldn't affect those who
don't rely on Emoji display for their work.  There is also word of some
crashes with seldom-encountered fonts on old versions of Xft.

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