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The diff between 9.2 and 9.3 [2] says how this can be fixed on platforms supporting both 32 and 64 bit, on HP-UX it'd be simply '+DD64', and how to avoid with "ac_year2038_required=no", but README-install on master [3] still contains '--disable-year2038' which obviously does not work. It simply needs to be updated to the content of [2]. FTR: I cannot compile everything in 64 bit mode since no one has written our old applications with portability in mind. It needs to remain 32 bit for now. Michael [1] https://github.com/coreutils/coreutils/commit/ffd62ab92c259d513a419b4078a45f1c658dc774 [2] https://github.com/coreutils/coreutils/compare/v9.2...v9.3#diff-2646d31b27172b7564edd6b4e2116efd8ee5c0cb5355129e8ef9b53ed0ea01b4 [3] https://github.com/coreutils/coreutils/blob/20b9a015e5aa05c6ad58bda8e9fa963d217b05e3/README-install#L53-L63 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Aug 21 15:25:46 2023 Received: (at 65423) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Aug 2023 19:25:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57862 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qYAX3-0003f9-Qp for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2023 15:25:46 -0400 Received: from mail.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.66]:36892) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qYAX1-0003ev-7d for 65423@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2023 15:25:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D51C3C011BDE; Mon, 21 Aug 2023 12:25:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id jf6_QPEbpTxE; Mon, 21 Aug 2023 12:25:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C20A3C011BDF; Mon, 21 Aug 2023 12:25:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 mail.cs.ucla.edu 3C20A3C011BDF DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cs.ucla.edu; s=9D0B346E-2AEB-11ED-9476-E14B719DCE6C; t=1692645934; bh=ERP2jaI9W9EKTQeFCFdl+E/qpLa8IOgooqbJz7Gpwzk=; h=Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:To:From; b=QLG4z/tl+jcVCTswU6z2jacc51oa/Ql5dv0hvj8JaGg8CnhOorshJKtoAR7Qczk92 +llB022RXC5hYNVxY50CTEQfEK1yM48ayuIAqOuccOMV6YE3scFvGUH5lnrpA8KUHO NzQZwZ1B7oWC5P1DnyyiSteG27g1mJJXikUugnIiIaRdDNHllanNoVuUywJD9RiVbL 90Clw78VkCjw77iva/jEItDlfzvDCOjhkqZsxiHPOg7nL0AmIONqvynEyzn0oGhiES lZHe3tqX/veiatWFduIQdYIfDpk5lDlQ/35pFD6rjSbV/tI30xhXyYEMigdxKbsmNX Sjv3b7wf1h2mQ== X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.cs.ucla.edu Received: from mail.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 4FIEa7_bGfO4; Mon, 21 Aug 2023 12:25:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.57] (ip72-206-2-24.fv.ks.cox.net [72.206.2.24]) by mail.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E809A3C011BDE; Mon, 21 Aug 2023 12:25:33 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------jFiNeXLevN9HvUP6sw7VVyMj" Message-ID: <57312f2d-5438-48a6-c6ed-8164c14b4af4@cs.ucla.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 14:25:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.13.0 Subject: Re: bug#65423: README-install contains invalid/outdated information about 32 bit time_t compared to NEWS in 9.3 Content-Language: en-US To: "Osipov, Michael (IN IT IN)" References: <15f0d9e1-ba3c-43e4-810f-a33f31550efe@siemens.com> From: Paul Eggert In-Reply-To: <15f0d9e1-ba3c-43e4-810f-a33f31550efe@siemens.com> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 65423 Cc: 65423@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------jFiNeXLevN9HvUP6sw7VVyMj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 8/21/23 05:51, Osipov, Michael (IN IT IN) via GNU coreutils Bug Reports wrote: > in 9.3 year 2038 support with 64 bit time_t was made required [1], here > on HP-UX this is a bit problematic, but that's not the actual problem. > The diff between 9.2 and 9.3 [2] says how this can be fixed on platforms > supporting both 32 and 64 bit, on HP-UX it'd be simply '+DD64', and how > to avoid with "ac_year2038_required=no", but README-install on master > [3] still contains '--disable-year2038' which obviously does not work. > It simply needs to be updated to the content of [2]. Sorry, I don't understand. Why does --disable-year2038 not work on HP-UX for bleeding-edge coreutils on Savannah? It sounds like you're suggesting that we revert the attached patch, but I don't see how that would be correct as bleeding-edge coreutils/configure no longer looks at ac_year2038_required. > I cannot compile everything in 64 bit mode since no one has written our old applications with portability in mind. It needs to remain 32 bit for now. I suggest compiling coreutils in 64-bit mode now. You can keep compiling your other applications in 32-bit mode. 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The diff between 9.2 and 9.3 [2] says how this can be fixed >> on platforms supporting both 32 and 64 bit, on HP-UX it'd be simply >> '+DD64', and how to avoid with "ac_year2038_required=no", but README- >> install on master [3] still contains '--disable-year2038' which >> obviously does not work. It simply needs to be updated to the content >> of [2]. > > Sorry, I don't understand. Why does --disable-year2038 not work on HP-UX > for bleeding-edge coreutils on Savannah? > > It sounds like you're suggesting that we revert the attached patch, but > I don't see how that would be correct as bleeding-edge coreutils/ > configure no longer looks at ac_year2038_required. No need to be sorry ;-), I understand where your confusion comes from and mine. I was talking about changes between 9.2 and 9.3 only. Looking at the changes you refer are solely on master at [1] and [2] which make year 2038 support optional again. So no action is required anymore. >> I cannot compile everything in 64 bit mode since no one has written >> our old applications with portability in mind. It needs to remain 32 >> bit for now. > > I suggest compiling coreutils in 64-bit mode now. You can keep compiling > your other applications in 32-bit mode. Even though HP-UX's end of life > is the end of 2025, it's possible you'll run across a stray HP-UX file > today with timestamp after 2038, and basic coreutils apps like 'ls' > should work with such files. I agree, and those are just executables. Regardless of this, HPE says at least until end of 2025, it is at the end a business decision and I am doing IT, so not my responsibility ;-). I just make it run. The files we touch go even back to late 80s. Please go ahead and close this issue, it will auto-resolve with 9.4. Michael [1] https://github.com/coreutils/coreutils/commit/ba128e628cfa0dd111cf235d965200d1cdf77f52 [2] https://github.com/coreutils/coreutils/commit/3f942cd03fce1a6cda87018306b50f803f08f350#diff-df1edefd8cc0b27219a375d046251a2e9e87fcef6c23767640f12d0b4f784c76L321 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Aug 22 10:12:18 2023 Received: (at 65423-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Aug 2023 14:12:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60164 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qYS7F-0000Q4-Tw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2023 10:12:18 -0400 Received: from mail.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.66]:39698) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qYS7E-0000Pp-3L for 65423-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2023 10:12:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE3903C011BDE; Tue, 22 Aug 2023 07:12:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id V5FvQEck0Qg9; Tue, 22 Aug 2023 07:12:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 979783C011BE2; Tue, 22 Aug 2023 07:12:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 mail.cs.ucla.edu 979783C011BE2 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cs.ucla.edu; s=9D0B346E-2AEB-11ED-9476-E14B719DCE6C; t=1692713527; bh=3zvv5bk4raSGHjQFQUD0yr18P3KlDoznfSucN/BAbaA=; h=Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:To:From; b=ObS+rcY79wCR8lT7Lyndp13HeIfs1aLrUH5WZcgFsrBhQBsHxLN4ymeytA6TAPLA6 EP4WBmeqHrTQ9tn3JDRwsPUPLHbsPv5vDzekiaPclkwq2m//t8dHqU2Kqv8T5a/VJ0 3Ep0gEem3/yf1tsckFJnXVMRFDnVRsmXDqZLMPmw5wpL//R7WFleTfJLxWSmE8oJpm 8b2/1MvfYi/MuOfC4ZhRSRiMxccmxaY1U+R3Jy1aTePoevDYrcRWTqJbeMS1pbIkn2 pexQJgstdgLsv2UwtH2CoGq+xOFq3MA2Z51Cc00OEia/GPg9bORr3LHScUwcbHtzqs zO/5K948GeyaA== X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.cs.ucla.edu Received: from mail.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 5iC2U0kysTHW; Tue, 22 Aug 2023 07:12:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.20.40.78] (wsip-70-185-88-169.ks.ks.cox.net [70.185.88.169]) by mail.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 571523C011BDE; Tue, 22 Aug 2023 07:12:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3700aeae-eb5e-a25e-4526-07af9e0381f1@cs.ucla.edu> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 09:12:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.13.0 Subject: Re: bug#65423: README-install contains invalid/outdated information about 32 bit time_t compared to NEWS in 9.3 Content-Language: en-US To: "Osipov, Michael (IN IT IN)" References: <15f0d9e1-ba3c-43e4-810f-a33f31550efe@siemens.com> <57312f2d-5438-48a6-c6ed-8164c14b4af4@cs.ucla.edu> From: Paul Eggert In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 65423-done Cc: 65423-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) On 8/22/23 02:58, Osipov, Michael (IN IT IN) wrote: > So no action is required anymore. 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