From unknown Fri Aug 15 15:55:54 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6522: 24.0.50; The help character Resent-From: Deniz Dogan Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 19:57:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 6522 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: 6522@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: submit@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.12776686021039 (code B ref -1); Sun, 27 Jun 2010 19:57:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jun 2010 19:56:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OSxy5-0000Gi-UD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 15:56:42 -0400 Received: from mail-ww0-f44.google.com ([74.125.82.44]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OSxy3-0000GX-6O for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 15:56:39 -0400 Received: by wwb22 with SMTP id 22so2685482wwb.3 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 12:56:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=khbcDWNeG0IH8Ud5C9580NuvWW5OjFrXaG+9dDe4APQ=; b=vjtgo8t2FqN5SdMktGwSFmvXkayUPH3CdudLqTY/26otNCXPepRI+C3hWapYcRV7kn FpAEzl2mF79m0sogMRkLTBpYb/MpLjP5vGQcAefBqt2qjSoUKDXu23iFfCrE2Mfr8YEv YAHVcykzrzxZAA8is+C2q/aWk+9+/xDTVRimw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=XoSqXQ0UMii2hmFRZt21jnPKDJSRjIlwCfg+dv5YnpXHGKHZGD64M8yad/7bN0rvmJ x1ahaKa8FF7BpsH/vOIACW8ykKSjWRg14E6uHA5qgRtOW8rTh0j5mn/qyH/udWInh5T1 bSPQyreFR81RtgVXfc90MSuttB3vAOD5rF7wY= Received: by 10.216.157.141 with SMTP id o13mr2845074wek.5.1277668594199; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 12:56:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.183.75 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 12:56:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Deniz Dogan Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 21:56:04 +0200 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=0016e65c7dfeb2c255048a08667a X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) --0016e65c7dfeb2c255048a08667a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Package: emacs Version: 24.0.50 Tags: patch Severity: minor When you hit C-h C-h in Emacs, you get this: "You have typed C-h, the help character. Type a Help option:" I think "the help character" should be changed to something more appropriate, such as "the help key". While "the help key" is not completely accurate either for C-h (but is for ) it is better than calling or C-h characters. -- Deniz Dogan --0016e65c7dfeb2c255048a08667a Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="help-character.patch" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="help-character.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Attachment-Id: f_gayasnaf0 PT09IG1vZGlmaWVkIGZpbGUgJ2xpc3AvaGVscC5lbCcKKioqIGxpc3AvaGVscC5lbAkyMDEwLTA0 LTE5IDE1OjA3OjUyICswMDAwCi0tLSBsaXNwL2hlbHAuZWwJMjAxMC0wNi0yNyAxOTo1MzozMSAr MDAwMAoqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioKKioqIDIwNiwyMTIgKioqKgogICAgOzsgRG9uJ3QgcHVyZWNv cHkgdGhpcyBvbmUsIGJlY2F1c2UgaXQncyBub3QgZXZhbHVhdGVkIChpdCdzCiAgICA7OyBkaXJl Y3RseSB1c2VkIGFzIGEgZG9jc3RyaW5nIGluIGEgZnVuY3Rpb24gZGVmaW5pdGlvbiwgc28gaXQn bGwKICAgIDs7IGJlIG1vdmVkIHRvIHRoZSBET0MgZmlsZSBhbnl3YXk6IG5vIG5lZWQgZm9yIHB1 cmVjb3B5aW5nIGl0KS4KISAgICJZb3UgaGF2ZSB0eXBlZCAlVEhJUy1LRVklLCB0aGUgaGVscCBj aGFyYWN0ZXIuICBUeXBlIGEgSGVscCBvcHRpb246CiAgXChVc2UgU1BDIG9yIERFTCB0byBzY3Jv bGwgdGhyb3VnaCB0aGlzIHRleHQuICBUeXBlIFxcPGhlbHAtbWFwPlxcW2hlbHAtcXVpdF0gdG8g ZXhpdCB0aGUgSGVscCBjb21tYW5kLikKICAKICBhIFBBVFRFUk4gICBTaG93IGNvbW1hbmRzIHdo b3NlIG5hbWUgbWF0Y2hlcyB0aGUgUEFUVEVSTiAoYSBsaXN0IG9mIHdvcmRzCi0tLSAyMDYsMjEy IC0tLS0KICAgIDs7IERvbid0IHB1cmVjb3B5IHRoaXMgb25lLCBiZWNhdXNlIGl0J3Mgbm90IGV2 YWx1YXRlZCAoaXQncwogICAgOzsgZGlyZWN0bHkgdXNlZCBhcyBhIGRvY3N0cmluZyBpbiBhIGZ1 bmN0aW9uIGRlZmluaXRpb24sIHNvIGl0J2xsCiAgICA7OyBiZSBtb3ZlZCB0byB0aGUgRE9DIGZp bGUgYW55d2F5OiBubyBuZWVkIGZvciBwdXJlY29weWluZyBpdCkuCiEgICAiWW91IGhhdmUgdHlw ZWQgJVRISVMtS0VZJSwgdGhlIGhlbHAga2V5LiAgVHlwZSBhIEhlbHAgb3B0aW9uOgogIFwoVXNl IFNQQyBvciBERUwgdG8gc2Nyb2xsIHRocm91Z2ggdGhpcyB0ZXh0LiAgVHlwZSBcXDxoZWxwLW1h cD5cXFtoZWxwLXF1aXRdIHRvIGV4aXQgdGhlIEhlbHAgY29tbWFuZC4pCiAgCiAgYSBQQVRURVJO ICAgU2hvdyBjb21tYW5kcyB3aG9zZSBuYW1lIG1hdGNoZXMgdGhlIFBBVFRFUk4gKGEgbGlzdCBv ZiB3b3JkcwoK --0016e65c7dfeb2c255048a08667a-- From unknown Fri Aug 15 15:55:54 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.427 (Entity 5.427) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Deniz Dogan Subject: bug#6522: closed (Re: bug#6522: 24.0.50; The help character) Message-ID: References: X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 6522 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs X-Gnu-PR-Keywords: wontfix Reply-To: 6522@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2011 05:45:04 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1310190304-14949-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1310190304-14949-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #6522: 24.0.50; The help character which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 6522@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 6522: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D6522 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1310190304-14949-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 6522-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jul 2011 05:44:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QfQLN-0003sV-9i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 01:44:45 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QfQLL-0003sE-MJ for 6522-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 01:44:43 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38797) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QfQLG-0003bO-1Y; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 01:44:38 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: 6522-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#6522: 24.0.50; The help character References: X-Spook: corporate security Security Council ISEC counter X-Ran: (\/IhHs)CI{J/s507aamPwl3&|A_Oys|] X-Hue: yellow X-Attribution: GM Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2011 01:44:37 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Deniz Dogan's message of "Sun, 27 Jun 2010 21:56:04 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 6522-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) I don't see a need to keep open this particular report, which was marked "wontfix" some time ago. ------------=_1310190304-14949-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jun 2010 19:56:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OSxy5-0000Gi-UD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 15:56:42 -0400 Received: from mail-ww0-f44.google.com ([74.125.82.44]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OSxy3-0000GX-6O for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 15:56:39 -0400 Received: by wwb22 with SMTP id 22so2685482wwb.3 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 12:56:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=khbcDWNeG0IH8Ud5C9580NuvWW5OjFrXaG+9dDe4APQ=; b=vjtgo8t2FqN5SdMktGwSFmvXkayUPH3CdudLqTY/26otNCXPepRI+C3hWapYcRV7kn FpAEzl2mF79m0sogMRkLTBpYb/MpLjP5vGQcAefBqt2qjSoUKDXu23iFfCrE2Mfr8YEv YAHVcykzrzxZAA8is+C2q/aWk+9+/xDTVRimw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=XoSqXQ0UMii2hmFRZt21jnPKDJSRjIlwCfg+dv5YnpXHGKHZGD64M8yad/7bN0rvmJ x1ahaKa8FF7BpsH/vOIACW8ykKSjWRg14E6uHA5qgRtOW8rTh0j5mn/qyH/udWInh5T1 bSPQyreFR81RtgVXfc90MSuttB3vAOD5rF7wY= Received: by 10.216.157.141 with SMTP id o13mr2845074wek.5.1277668594199; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 12:56:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.183.75 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 12:56:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Deniz Dogan Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 21:56:04 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: 24.0.50; The help character To: submit@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=0016e65c7dfeb2c255048a08667a X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) --0016e65c7dfeb2c255048a08667a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Package: emacs Version: 24.0.50 Tags: patch Severity: minor When you hit C-h C-h in Emacs, you get this: "You have typed C-h, the help character. Type a Help option:" I think "the help character" should be changed to something more appropriate, such as "the help key". While "the help key" is not completely accurate either for C-h (but is for ) it is better than calling or C-h characters. -- Deniz Dogan --0016e65c7dfeb2c255048a08667a Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="help-character.patch" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="help-character.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Attachment-Id: f_gayasnaf0 PT09IG1vZGlmaWVkIGZpbGUgJ2xpc3AvaGVscC5lbCcKKioqIGxpc3AvaGVscC5lbAkyMDEwLTA0 LTE5IDE1OjA3OjUyICswMDAwCi0tLSBsaXNwL2hlbHAuZWwJMjAxMC0wNi0yNyAxOTo1MzozMSAr MDAwMAoqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioKKioqIDIwNiwyMTIgKioqKgogICAgOzsgRG9uJ3QgcHVyZWNv cHkgdGhpcyBvbmUsIGJlY2F1c2UgaXQncyBub3QgZXZhbHVhdGVkIChpdCdzCiAgICA7OyBkaXJl Y3RseSB1c2VkIGFzIGEgZG9jc3RyaW5nIGluIGEgZnVuY3Rpb24gZGVmaW5pdGlvbiwgc28gaXQn bGwKICAgIDs7IGJlIG1vdmVkIHRvIHRoZSBET0MgZmlsZSBhbnl3YXk6IG5vIG5lZWQgZm9yIHB1 cmVjb3B5aW5nIGl0KS4KISAgICJZb3UgaGF2ZSB0eXBlZCAlVEhJUy1LRVklLCB0aGUgaGVscCBj aGFyYWN0ZXIuICBUeXBlIGEgSGVscCBvcHRpb246CiAgXChVc2UgU1BDIG9yIERFTCB0byBzY3Jv bGwgdGhyb3VnaCB0aGlzIHRleHQuICBUeXBlIFxcPGhlbHAtbWFwPlxcW2hlbHAtcXVpdF0gdG8g ZXhpdCB0aGUgSGVscCBjb21tYW5kLikKICAKICBhIFBBVFRFUk4gICBTaG93IGNvbW1hbmRzIHdo b3NlIG5hbWUgbWF0Y2hlcyB0aGUgUEFUVEVSTiAoYSBsaXN0IG9mIHdvcmRzCi0tLSAyMDYsMjEy IC0tLS0KICAgIDs7IERvbid0IHB1cmVjb3B5IHRoaXMgb25lLCBiZWNhdXNlIGl0J3Mgbm90IGV2 YWx1YXRlZCAoaXQncwogICAgOzsgZGlyZWN0bHkgdXNlZCBhcyBhIGRvY3N0cmluZyBpbiBhIGZ1 bmN0aW9uIGRlZmluaXRpb24sIHNvIGl0J2xsCiAgICA7OyBiZSBtb3ZlZCB0byB0aGUgRE9DIGZp bGUgYW55d2F5OiBubyBuZWVkIGZvciBwdXJlY29weWluZyBpdCkuCiEgICAiWW91IGhhdmUgdHlw ZWQgJVRISVMtS0VZJSwgdGhlIGhlbHAga2V5LiAgVHlwZSBhIEhlbHAgb3B0aW9uOgogIFwoVXNl IFNQQyBvciBERUwgdG8gc2Nyb2xsIHRocm91Z2ggdGhpcyB0ZXh0LiAgVHlwZSBcXDxoZWxwLW1h cD5cXFtoZWxwLXF1aXRdIHRvIGV4aXQgdGhlIEhlbHAgY29tbWFuZC4pCiAgCiAgYSBQQVRURVJO ICAgU2hvdyBjb21tYW5kcyB3aG9zZSBuYW1lIG1hdGNoZXMgdGhlIFBBVFRFUk4gKGEgbGlzdCBv ZiB3b3JkcwoK --0016e65c7dfeb2c255048a08667a-- ------------=_1310190304-14949-1--