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envelope-from=drew.adams@oracle.com; helo=mx0a-00069f02.pphosted.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) Dunno how such a change was made to the _default_ Emacs behavior. Shouldn't have happened, IMHO. Two main problems with this self-styled enhancement: 1. The default behavior should be what we've always had, which corresponds to NONE of the `dired-free-space' option values. (It's maybe telling that the option name is about free space, whereas the detailed info is much more than that. Maybe that's all that Someone(TM) thought was important.) 2. Even if you set the option to `separate', so you see the full info, you can't get the superior previous behavior, which is that there's _no such info_ shown when you hide details (`('). Instead, Someone(TM) maybe thought that those interested in what Someone(TM) doesn't think interesting - the full info - always want to see that info, even with details hidden. Blinders... In GNU Emacs 29.0.91 (build 2, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2023-05-14 built on AVALON Windowing system distributor 'Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.19045 System Description: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro (v10.0.2009.19045.3208) Configured using: 'configure --with-modules --without-dbus --with-native-compilation --without-compress-install --with-tree-sitter CFLAGS=3D-O2' Configured features: ACL GIF GMP GNUTLS HARFBUZZ JPEG JSON LCMS2 LIBXML2 MODULES NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY W32NOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SOUND SQLITE3 THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS TREE_SITTER WEBP XPM ZLIB (NATIVE_COMP present but libgccjit not available) From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:55:01 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#65186: 29.0.91; `dired-free-space' is a step backward Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 06:13:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 65186 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 65186@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 65186-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B65186.16916479474077 (code B ref 65186); Thu, 10 Aug 2023 06:13:02 +0000 Received: (at 65186) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Aug 2023 06:12:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41069 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qTyuJ-00013h-8f for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2023 02:12:27 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43874) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qTyuH-00013T-7z for 65186@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2023 02:12:26 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qTyuB-00039R-GF; Thu, 10 Aug 2023 02:12:19 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=b6PhRfjplgV1j1ZlCVFQnEiOsB0zfTMNc9tkf3oHUrA=; b=nDxmrWjZEb1V Ip+iAGXx05jdJJ5M+GvMUT0hfBWDQgyQ23k1i4QcooLGM/0bu+bTQ4DxfDwJ/YqnQu++FzIUVEicf 30DH7Y5DsIZoUln5Dnk9zWq3OZiU3JSqNxzietAP3XqPFP9WwAHQssqgGfipTWOYkhu0W9JAIialA YtgOyeL5H7kgozvh7qjwep1HTstkECcfNCNsV6mXJWuNP8x25ZCl9mHlS0LmQ2DxUSMOlIFwPK96S yJh2L9dLRoo9IoXVGvrajHA0BcyOiMFyAWO5t2RJaB6vBB5zuIFcFQXOrdrmrEEKbwxKmnU6Xrl/H M8wMIOVAzSQ3QAS9w0dVHQ==; Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 09:12:45 +0300 Message-Id: <83sf8rjuhu.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Wed, 9 Aug 2023 22:03:36 +0000) References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Drew Adams > Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2023 22:03:36 +0000 > > Dunno how such a change was made to the _default_ Emacs behavior. > Shouldn't have happened, IMHO. > > Two main problems with this self-styled enhancement: > > 1. The default behavior should be what we've always had, which > corresponds to NONE of the `dired-free-space' option values. The 'separate' value (which is not the default) produces the behavior we had in Emacs 28 and older, so why do you say that "what we always had corresponds to none" of the option's values? > 2. Even if you set the option to `separate', so you see the full info, > you can't get the superior previous behavior, which is that there's _no > such info_ shown when you hide details (`('). > > Instead, Someone(TM) maybe thought that those interested in what > Someone(TM) doesn't think interesting - the full info - always want to > see that info, even with details hidden. Blinders... I think it was just an oversight, now fixed on the emacs-29 branch. 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The default behavior should be what we've always had, which > > corresponds to NONE of the `dired-free-space' option values. >=20 > The 'separate' value (which is not the default) produces the behavior > we had in Emacs 28 and older, so why do you say that "what we always > had corresponds to none" of the option's values? No, it doesn't. Not with `emacs -Q' on MS Windows (which uses ls-lisp), at= least. Not in 28.2 or ANY earlier release, going back to when `dired-hide= -details-mode' was first introduced. In all releases, if you use `(' to hi= de details then that "separate" line is one of the details that's _removed_= . > > 2. Even if you set the option to `separate', so you see the full info, > > you can't get the superior previous behavior, which is that there's _no > > such info_ shown when you hide details (`('). > > > > Instead, Someone(TM) maybe thought that those interested in what > > Someone(TM) doesn't think interesting - the full info - always want to > > see that info, even with details hidden. Blinders... >=20 > I think it was just an oversight, now fixed on the emacs-29 branch. Thank you very much, Eli. (I don't build Emacs, but I'm guessing you mean what I hope you mean. ;-)) IF all you changed was to make `separate' be the default or IF it was only = to hide all such info when hiding details, then that doesn't fix what I'd l= ike to see fixed. I'd like to see both: 1. The default behavior as it was before: when details aren't hidden, show = the full info on a separate line, and when details are hidden, don't show a= ny such info (available, used, etc.). 2. For _each_ of the option values: when details are hidden, don't show any= such info. (Unless you add a separate option value for something differen= t. At least let users get the old behavior exactly, as one possibility)=20 From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:55:01 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Drew Adams Subject: bug#65186: closed (Re: [External] : Re: bug#65186: 29.0.91; `dired-free-space' is a step backward) Message-ID: References: <835y5miyhw.fsf@gnu.org> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 65186 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 65186@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 17:44:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1691689442-12135-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1691689442-12135-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #65186: 29.0.91; `dired-free-space' is a step backward which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 65186@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 65186: https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D65186 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1691689442-12135-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 65186-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Aug 2023 17:43:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43984 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qU9hC-000390-2V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:43:38 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36050) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qU9h7-00038l-Un for 65186-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:43:36 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qU9h2-00057U-KG; Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:43:28 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=3dcsTvaHpyCmtTDgNzSrIU/wmgKXfc7zZ5EbU50k+Ss=; b=Pv1y/hpqIwo+ dn7bA1jA2Qy5IovJSxdBjFSC1Px9Tg17HtIuMRgTicZKJt6QI0hrPKZJARGIhRTl9mFqDguCLrcWG V90GyZ9yTJLUZJ3cBrAQ1OzRBiW1FUCO2Je/hcCi9WIfZ/tyc/ckdEt6reYCDmNgoLEXftPKyFG9P 4MaVlXM7AYaa/t6K3knOnyzz1xsnRBBUgVvIf+T/VJIkVuJzEe3Ledlw1bB6YtVNUbAHVgHgbt804 9i/q+IExwLreI9wHqkfO8L7PaQSAJfTVX6kbWcIx80/fVTloXkdcbz/IF9dBKn7BWmgRzSl+TF04t XMziYjl9dX0aBcEYyb2gdA==; Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 20:43:55 +0300 Message-Id: <835y5miyhw.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:42:57 +0000) Subject: Re: [External] : Re: bug#65186: 29.0.91; `dired-free-space' is a step backward References: <83sf8rjuhu.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 65186-done Cc: 65186-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Drew Adams > CC: "65186@debbugs.gnu.org" <65186@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 15:42:57 +0000 > > > > Two main problems with this self-styled enhancement: > > > > > > 1. The default behavior should be what we've always had, which > > > corresponds to NONE of the `dired-free-space' option values. > > > > The 'separate' value (which is not the default) produces the behavior > > we had in Emacs 28 and older, so why do you say that "what we always > > had corresponds to none" of the option's values? > > No, it doesn't. Not with `emacs -Q' on MS Windows (which uses ls-lisp), at least. Not in 28.2 or ANY earlier release, going back to when `dired-hide-details-mode' was first introduced. In all releases, if you use `(' to hide details then that "separate" line is one of the details that's _removed_. If this is about hiding the disk space information, then it's your item 2, and is now fixed. With that taken care of, the 'separate' value produces the disk space display identical to what Emacs 28 and older did. > > > 2. Even if you set the option to `separate', so you see the full info, > > > you can't get the superior previous behavior, which is that there's _no > > > such info_ shown when you hide details (`('). > > > > > > Instead, Someone(TM) maybe thought that those interested in what > > > Someone(TM) doesn't think interesting - the full info - always want to > > > see that info, even with details hidden. Blinders... > > > > I think it was just an oversight, now fixed on the emacs-29 branch. > > Thank you very much, Eli. > (I don't build Emacs, but I'm guessing you mean what I hope you mean. ;-)) The change I installed makes '(' hide the disk space information when it is displayed on a separate line, under dired-free-space = 'separate'. This is for consistency with previous behavior of Dired. > IF all you changed was to make `separate' be the default or IF it was only to hide all such info when hiding details, then that doesn't fix what I'd like to see fixed. 'separate' will not become default. Emacs 29 was already released with a different default, so that ship has sailed. We will only revert back to 'separate' if there will be user outcry to that effect. > 1. The default behavior as it was before: when details aren't hidden, show the full info on a separate line, and when details are hidden, don't show any such info (available, used, etc.). > > 2. For _each_ of the option values: when details are hidden, don't show any such info. (Unless you add a separate option value for something different. At least let users get the old behavior exactly, as one possibility) The default display of the disk space info is on the same line as the directory name. It doesn't get hidden when you press '(', and I'm not sure it should. I made it be hidden for the 'separate' display, because that's how it behaved before Emacs 29, but there's no such precedent for the default value of 'first', and so what you want to happen in that case is just your personal opinion. We don't need to agree about that. 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Shouldn't have happened, IMHO. Two main problems with this self-styled enhancement: 1. The default behavior should be what we've always had, which corresponds to NONE of the `dired-free-space' option values. (It's maybe telling that the option name is about free space, whereas the detailed info is much more than that. Maybe that's all that Someone(TM) thought was important.) 2. Even if you set the option to `separate', so you see the full info, you can't get the superior previous behavior, which is that there's _no such info_ shown when you hide details (`('). Instead, Someone(TM) maybe thought that those interested in what Someone(TM) doesn't think interesting - the full info - always want to see that info, even with details hidden. Blinders... 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For _each_ of the option values: when details are hidden, don't show > any such info. (Unless you add a separate option value for something > different. At least let users get the old behavior exactly, as one > possibility) >=20 > The default display of the disk space info is on the same line as the > directory name. It doesn't get hidden when you press '(', and I'm not > sure it should. I made it be hidden for the 'separate' display, > because that's how it behaved before Emacs 29, but there's no such > precedent for the default value of 'first', and so what you want to > happen in that case is just your personal opinion. We don't need to > agree about that. >=20 > And with that, I'm closing this bug. Thanks for fixing what you fixed. Wrt that last point/question: 1. I don't see that this is fixed even for `separate'. I'm using Emacs 29.1.2. I guess it was probably fixed after that release. 2. The doc for `separate' (in 29.1.2, at least) is incorrect, assuming this was fixed to not show the info at all when details are hidden. This should at least be spelled out in the doc string, especially as someone wishing to minimize the display might prefer `separate' but the doc for it gives the impression that it always displays more, rather than that it displays less when details are hidden. 3. FWIW, a reason to not want this info shown at all when details are hidden is the case where you have a feature that automatically sizes the window (or frame) to the buffer-text width. For many Dired listings file names are sufficiently short that the buffer width would fit the longest file name, but if the size info is shown then that line will be the longest, and horizontal screen real estate will be wasted, just for that line. (And even more space is wasted for `first' than for `separate'.) I don't really see why users who choose `first' (the default) would always want to see this info either. They, even more than the `separate'ists, would want a more minimal display, I think. The reason you gave for not fixing this for `first' was, I think, just that that's not the behavior in the first release of this feature. But neither was the (now fixed, I hope) behavior of including the info when `separate'. IOW, the bug could usefully be fixed for both `first' and `separate'. When hiding details, what sense does it make to increase the window width to show such info? Anyone who ever wants to see it can simply hit `('. And perhaps `(' again, to hide details again. Please reconsider your decision not to fix this for all choices of `dired-free-space' when details are hidden. Hiding details should hide details. The doc for that option might also usefully say that if you change the value interactively, then to see the effect in any existing Dired buffer you can use `C-x v RET' (or similar). IOW, let users know not to expect that simply changing the value changes an existing Dired buffer's display. Thanks in advance for thinking this over again.