From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:55:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6493: 24.0.50; doc strings of region-beginning, region-end Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:14:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 6493 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 6493@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.12772232383037 (code B ref -1); Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:14:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Jun 2010 16:13:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OR66o-0000mw-Gj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:13:58 -0400 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166] helo=mx10.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OR66Y-0000mq-R9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:13:56 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:45915) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OR66R-00028b-18 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:13:35 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=52090 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OR66L-0003Ag-1c for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:13:33 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OR66J-0003T5-Dm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:13:28 -0400 Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]:27613) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OR66J-0003Sr-8Y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:13:27 -0400 Received: from rcsinet13.oracle.com (rcsinet13.oracle.com [148.87.113.125]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id o5MGDOqt025717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:13:25 GMT Received: from acsmt355.oracle.com (acsmt355.oracle.com [141.146.40.155]) by rcsinet13.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o5M0xK96005093 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:13:22 GMT Received: from abhmt007.oracle.com by acsmt354.oracle.com with ESMTP id 364152571277223193; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 09:13:13 -0700 Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.160.27) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 09:13:11 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 09:13:10 -0700 Message-ID: <969BF38D66A0450F88923BFF8942AC68@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcsSJc7W9nuyQUXISACJW0yqO29sYg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-Source-IP: rcsinet13.oracle.com [148.87.113.125] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090208.4C20E125.0172:SCFMA4539811,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-Spam-Score: -6.2 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.2 (------) The doc strings just repeat the function names - they provide no helpful info at all. What we need to add is what is said in the Elisp manual: that the "beginning" ("end") is the position of either point or the mark, whichever is smaller (larger). In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2010-06-21 on 3249CTO Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (4.4) --no-opt --cflags -Ic:/xpm/include' From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:55:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6493: References: <969BF38D66A0450F88923BFF8942AC68@us.oracle.com> In-Reply-To: <969BF38D66A0450F88923BFF8942AC68@us.oracle.com> Resent-From: Deniz Dogan Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 12:28:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6493 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 6493@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 6493-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6493.127764162414390 (code B ref 6493); Sun, 27 Jun 2010 12:28:02 +0000 Received: (at 6493) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jun 2010 12:27:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OSqwy-0003k3-5S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 08:27:04 -0400 Received: from mail-fx0-f44.google.com ([209.85.161.44]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OSqww-0003jc-0k for 6493@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 08:27:02 -0400 Received: by fxm1 with SMTP id 1so93676fxm.3 for <6493@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 05:26:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=ivXdN7L8ijKx2UjFsdzVASIjwX7T9Z3qINMG4zr6swo=; b=Be/EfEGbqtUcfn5e9ER1eWRTFWk6N8E7hlskhRyP12RP4zplNvUVZlWLoBiEEQKvUM O4qU02T4O+GoEnLVfdRKc34/SBj/AusS73WLnV1PegG/uKsthVQuekHic0+1Fe1dE9zs dI4KflIC2T3U8ZR3MqbpILvL3BdNAv1NLuQPI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=Q/QnVcrO68f0lYP1n4zqr9tETxmM646PVhRlZ3+kumXsfpLKrsU4oGH3z4CU2vVPmW 4xfo++44HpZDWoOqVdUImxM1t4z1gB/j0Y/IYrknX0vG70zrz/yYRlZZMKYiSzVzVc+Y N3gLuW1tRfiwfBXOiMHFUim/e381a+zXotIe8= Received: by 10.239.166.84 with SMTP id a20mr208367hbe.85.1277641616194; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 05:26:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.135.207 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 05:26:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Deniz Dogan Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 14:26:26 +0200 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=001485f5cee8aefca1048a021eb8 X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) --001485f5cee8aefca1048a021eb8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 How about this? 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(See attached patch.) 1. Thanks for working on this. 2. Please cc the bug submitter, and please put the bug subject line in the Subject line. It was only by searching old mails for "6493" that I sent that I was able to find that this was a bug I submitted. Now I must search similarly for the other bugs you replied to with no Subject line other than the bug #. Multiply my experience by that of others. 3. What's important about these functions is the return value. The doc string needs to be explicit about what is _returned_. There is no need to repeat info that follows from definitions (e.g. that point and mark are the region limits). Example: "Returns point or mark, whichever is larger." Thx. From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:55:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6493: Resent-From: Deniz Dogan Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 14:04:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6493 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 6493@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 6493-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6493.127764740319326 (code B ref 6493); Sun, 27 Jun 2010 14:04:02 +0000 Received: (at 6493) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jun 2010 14:03:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OSsSA-00051f-GK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 10:03:22 -0400 Received: from mail-fx0-f44.google.com ([209.85.161.44]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OSsS8-00051a-TV for 6493@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 10:03:21 -0400 Received: by fxm1 with SMTP id 1so115341fxm.3 for <6493@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 07:03:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=I1N8nmjxq8rhFKLJ9naCEsZbWvd9A0+6bXYB2kY7DGo=; b=K+JLDg6flRaEBllKW2FgZj/f3bXKoJYSbeLhsl1HDEqG38mAoAt/zh65sTrivESQmr 5eLa9r5jlMti62vRZvGIWHMwi5WP4JQIDdQ677sMlbOzMlWoZFued8Upd3f20+Dr08M3 4IB+3b60gSgXZdOMUgn7/83bBtcPy3wBWsP60= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=OLUG1ZJ2A+Xagx3pS/JDOVUcH6a4fu/eFyMql5hdvqmLZmQ6f0vreQdYpIAZ7xKMZV AAVLXZ8dmjdjWiFDcHO9PSBoaz9lYvuCQQJvJ+OPG8t3g59HbtWUgHcSNfgl/M9KYCZj utonz7S1VEenow405OHu8pXZCVatN+bXCBC1M= Received: by 10.239.145.74 with SMTP id r10mr224615hba.191.1277647395176; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 07:03:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.135.207 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 07:02:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <969BF38D66A0450F88923BFF8942AC68@us.oracle.com> From: Deniz Dogan Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 16:02:45 +0200 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) 2010/6/27 Drew Adams : >> How about this? (See attached patch.) > > 1. Thanks for working on this. > > 2. Please cc the bug submitter, and please put the bug subject line in the > Subject line. It was only by searching old mails for "6493" that I sent that I > was able to find that this was a bug I submitted. Now I must search similarly > for the other bugs you replied to with no Subject line other than the bug #. > Multiply my experience by that of others. > Sorry about this, it just wasn't clear to me how people are supposed to use the bug tracker. I'm not used to accessing bug trackers by e-mail. > 3. What's important about these functions is the return value. The doc string > needs to be explicit about what is _returned_. There is no need to repeat info > that follows from definitions (e.g. that point and mark are the region limits). > > Example: > > "Returns point or mark, whichever is larger." > How about this (for region-end): "Returns point or mark, whichever is larger. The returned value is the position of the end of the region as an integer." ...and likewise for region-beginning. -- Deniz Dogan From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:55:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6493: Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 14:20:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6493 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'Deniz Dogan'" Cc: 6493@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 6493-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6493.127764837219723 (code B ref 6493); Sun, 27 Jun 2010 14:20:03 +0000 Received: (at 6493) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jun 2010 14:19:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OSsho-000584-3X for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 10:19:32 -0400 Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OSshl-00057x-TT for 6493@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 10:19:30 -0400 Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id o5REJMSK004917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Jun 2010 14:19:24 GMT Received: from acsmt355.oracle.com (acsmt355.oracle.com [141.146.40.155]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o5REJLUH025570; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 14:19:21 GMT Received: from abhmt001.oracle.com by acsmt354.oracle.com with ESMTP id 377266951277648333; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 07:18:53 -0700 Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.88.51) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 07:18:52 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" References: <969BF38D66A0450F88923BFF8942AC68@us.oracle.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 07:18:57 -0700 Message-ID: <6B20ABD762564DE2AEBA810B54EB46FD@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcsWAX7mdN54cFbQS0GdLKUJ6rClzQAALNQg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Source-IP: acsmt355.oracle.com [141.146.40.155] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090201.4C275DEA.01B4:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -6.2 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.2 (------) > > "Returns point or mark, whichever is larger." > > How about this (for region-end): > > "Returns point or mark, whichever is larger. > The returned value is the position of the end of the region > as an integer." The end of the region is always a position, so no need to speak of the position of the end of the region. We don't really need to say that a number is returned, as opposed to a marker. "Point" is a position, which is a number (natnump). "Mark" is more ambiguous - it is sometimes referred to as a marker and sometimes as the position of that marker. So it's probably good to mention that a number is returned, even if not really necessary. (We also need not specify what kind of number, since it is a position, but that doesn't hurt either.) "Returns the larger of point or mark, as a nonnegative integer." We can add that the function "raises an error if the mark is not set". From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:55:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6493: Resent-From: Deniz Dogan Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 14:30:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6493 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 6493@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 6493-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6493.127764899119980 (code B ref 6493); Sun, 27 Jun 2010 14:30:03 +0000 Received: (at 6493) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jun 2010 14:29:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OSsrn-0005CD-0r for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 10:29:51 -0400 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.155]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OSsrk-0005C8-U1 for 6493@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 10:29:49 -0400 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so8859fgb.15 for <6493@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 07:29:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Q0Nd1l4teXZPKSfGJ2+76oaXh+EbYe6lXHG2lTBY7ws=; b=w+zb74cG3d9ILX0qrNUbP8HyqIQvX5GavPlqIRh0vhVNbmUL6ROxb0rzjVsdHPHTFQ GdlY5KlIir/x/8lMy1/JJHEcnoZ0mInI4hOSR8EhQoJA1jYnxGc9mwKit7hyElizY7t3 znO4PtvrhvTe3nKxxzBWJByzmSyf936mp5Grk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=J7W3d2R9J2VvfOQFJ5GkFsqYdTuKnBO28aeklPNmnzFXgVLSUhvM1YY6xsAmBzeNSP VoVHSoIrDEgG9zys+HsDpfhCsufZmpKsDAkZupskfaV7N6narVzbjF3hWKEjm51DTxGr ZNLVTgBk3I1mRw3Wv7smCc2l5DQLrkm2+mfXM= Received: by 10.239.154.204 with SMTP id f12mr251084hbc.31.1277648983124; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 07:29:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.135.207 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 07:29:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6B20ABD762564DE2AEBA810B54EB46FD@us.oracle.com> References: <969BF38D66A0450F88923BFF8942AC68@us.oracle.com> <6B20ABD762564DE2AEBA810B54EB46FD@us.oracle.com> From: Deniz Dogan Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 16:29:13 +0200 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) 2010/6/27 Drew Adams : >> > "Returns point or mark, whichever is larger." >> >> How about this (for region-end): >> >> "Returns point or mark, whichever is larger. >> The returned value is the position of the end of the region >> as an integer." > > The end of the region is always a position, so no need to speak of the po= sition > of the end of the region. > > We don't really need to say that a number is returned, as opposed to a ma= rker. > "Point" is a position, which is a number (natnump). "Mark" is more ambigu= ous - > it is sometimes referred to as a marker and sometimes as the position of = that > marker. =A0So it's probably good to mention that a number is returned, ev= en if not > really necessary. (We also need not specify what kind of number, since it= is a > position, but that doesn't hurt either.) > > "Returns the larger of point or mark, as a nonnegative integer." > > We can add that the function "raises an error if the mark is not set". > > I'm all for your suggestion. So now we have: "Returns the larger of point or mark, as a nonnegative integer. Raises an error if the mark is not set." Agreed? --=20 Deniz Dogan From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:55:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6493: Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 14:35:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6493 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'Deniz Dogan'" Cc: 6493@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 6493-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6493.127764925320118 (code B ref 6493); Sun, 27 Jun 2010 14:35:02 +0000 Received: (at 6493) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jun 2010 14:34:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OSsw0-0005ER-Sk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 10:34:13 -0400 Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OSsvy-0005EM-Qc for 6493@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 10:34:11 -0400 Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id o5REY4B2015337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Jun 2010 14:34:05 GMT Received: from acsmt355.oracle.com (acsmt355.oracle.com [141.146.40.155]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o5RE5Kok008745; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 14:34:03 GMT Received: from abhmt013.oracle.com by acsmt353.oracle.com with ESMTP id 360127721277649178; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 07:32:58 -0700 Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.88.51) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 07:32:57 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" References: <969BF38D66A0450F88923BFF8942AC68@us.oracle.com> <6B20ABD762564DE2AEBA810B54EB46FD@us.oracle.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 07:33:03 -0700 Message-ID: <21D2CFB9CFF34D04906728113DA42430@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcsWBTDTeJV19PQwQAql5GJGwLESrwAAF7uw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Source-IP: acsmt355.oracle.com [141.146.40.155] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090208.4C27615C.0041:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -6.2 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.2 (------) > I'm all for your suggestion. So now we have: > "Returns the larger of point or mark, as a nonnegative integer. > Raises an error if the mark is not set." > Agreed? Yes, thanks. From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:55:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6493: Resent-From: Deniz Dogan Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 23:42:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6493 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 6493@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 6493-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6493.127880529617842 (code B ref 6493); Sat, 10 Jul 2010 23:42:01 +0000 Received: (at 6493) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jul 2010 23:41:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OXjfs-0004dj-6M for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 19:41:36 -0400 Received: from mail-wy0-f172.google.com ([74.125.82.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OXjfq-0004dc-Py for 6493@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 19:41:35 -0400 Received: by wyb40 with SMTP id 40so2511849wyb.3 for <6493@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 16:41:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=sVBjxmajJysTwT7SPIY2ourcuc2XdXBFg6CjP6aVQwg=; b=a66I8g5sipR5lEmPwYrxUXNy7Mp+ZQ96AVO8FNhbfUDMiNHBdDy2/wTUj2VZDJaR2E WVw8rvUx5p8AC/dvEXneP4zlcF9Z6YRhCI12yOUGv/lIQt0kIZvldwQvFkcJnpY8SY46 sRout7I8Hoag/jyPnObzDkbFhjva/+f0KIkYk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=InT96chTOzpkII/lYTmvak7WBs34Iceu/O5SHCY6cKxw+xivde8Yjne0YWXbIJG0Xr WX5invnNrU5YO0OVUzVbIElFD8A/S4Qts9JwEVagvvJw+5YJEllfTTAaTfBMieKVnXZR pbF7yl0i2JQ3lYS81gz834ma6Mzd9dHmN7uDc= Received: by 10.216.168.198 with SMTP id k48mr6718312wel.105.1278805293219; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 16:41:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.182.135 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 16:41:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <21D2CFB9CFF34D04906728113DA42430@us.oracle.com> References: <969BF38D66A0450F88923BFF8942AC68@us.oracle.com> <6B20ABD762564DE2AEBA810B54EB46FD@us.oracle.com> <21D2CFB9CFF34D04906728113DA42430@us.oracle.com> From: Deniz Dogan Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 01:41:03 +0200 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) 2010/6/27 Drew Adams : >> I'm all for your suggestion. So now we have: >> "Returns the larger of point or mark, as a nonnegative integer. >> Raises an error if the mark is not set." >> Agreed? > > Yes, thanks. > > I don't have commit access, Drew. Could you (or anyone else) make this change now or are we waiting for more comments? From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:55:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6493: Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 04:22:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6493 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'Deniz Dogan'" Cc: 6493@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 6493-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6493.127882210624507 (code B ref 6493); Sun, 11 Jul 2010 04:22:01 +0000 Received: (at 6493) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jul 2010 04:21:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OXo30-0006NE-1y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 00:21:46 -0400 Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OXo2z-0006N8-5u for 6493@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 00:21:45 -0400 Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id o6B4LhCm032117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Jul 2010 04:21:44 GMT Received: from acsmt353.oracle.com (acsmt353.oracle.com [141.146.40.153]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o6ANli5T031264; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 04:21:42 GMT Received: from abhmt001.oracle.com by acsmt353.oracle.com with ESMTP id 395146371278822018; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 21:20:18 -0700 Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.160.29) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 21:20:18 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" References: <969BF38D66A0450F88923BFF8942AC68@us.oracle.com> <6B20ABD762564DE2AEBA810B54EB46FD@us.oracle.com> <21D2CFB9CFF34D04906728113DA42430@us.oracle.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 21:20:20 -0700 Message-ID: <6C93D3874C204C6BACB34962781ED1C9@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcsgiW9L2S4PSYd2RW+kMmqpZ/WumAAJp2hw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Source-IP: acsmt353.oracle.com [141.146.40.153] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090204.4C3946D7.002E:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) > >> I'm all for your suggestion. So now we have: > >> "Returns the larger of point or mark, as a nonnegative integer. > >> Raises an error if the mark is not set." > >> Agreed? > > > > Yes, thanks. > > I don't have commit access, Drew. Could you (or anyone else) make this > change now or are we waiting for more comments? Someone else will need to help here. I have no idea whether I have commit access, but I don't know how to commit or otherwise use the version-control system. I'm sure that sooner or later some kind soul will commit this. ;-) Thanks for working on it. P.S. You might want to ask for commit access for yourself. Dunno what the process for that is. From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:55:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6493: Resent-From: Juanma Barranquero Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 00:13:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6493 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 6493@debbugs.gnu.org, Deniz Dogan Received: via spool by 6493-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6493.127984398019956 (code B ref 6493); Fri, 23 Jul 2010 00:13:02 +0000 Received: (at 6493) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jul 2010 00:13:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Oc5sp-0005Bp-3y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Jul 2010 20:12:59 -0400 Received: from mail-bw0-f44.google.com ([209.85.214.44]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Oc5sn-0005Bd-Mr for 6493@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Jul 2010 20:12:58 -0400 Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so1333304bwz.3 for <6493@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 22 Jul 2010 17:12:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=U/IDSWxBbcvsfOgyzeRwWd2ZvjiKmpSXjCvRLPHUVu0=; b=b6foSFbAQ/TAku1SKI/wkQrk0/nb5TvV896rIzLJD5Fanna0BLRIrOZAeRaVov8O/S Q9yQPeCM9cw8b+mg+AVzx9jjw2Udf7qAnOJ9GALPeKX/G0hGsahmEWeu+iwBL042PLES 43d6dz3kOzfZ/RNCI0/mlh50K6RtYNbGxK9bE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ap1vaRibtsnc/UHw84235skwVS80kHiUOxTbRALx6IH95gJmlwq3T4Qccjai/dcIJ7 8BI6n1zgvI8cWZP4cMIC7nlo6lPGn2evTkuq4evoUr/+Zyq1uHW++Z05HOx4Jdq5l9xn KNiEK8n4BRaUkRKci7qZ6tigBBB4kB/hiR4nY= Received: by 10.204.152.4 with SMTP id e4mr1897326bkw.120.1279843970332; Thu, 22 Jul 2010 17:12:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.180.136 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Jul 2010 17:12:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6C93D3874C204C6BACB34962781ED1C9@us.oracle.com> References: <969BF38D66A0450F88923BFF8942AC68@us.oracle.com> <6B20ABD762564DE2AEBA810B54EB46FD@us.oracle.com> <21D2CFB9CFF34D04906728113DA42430@us.oracle.com> <6C93D3874C204C6BACB34962781ED1C9@us.oracle.com> From: Juanma Barranquero Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 02:12:30 +0200 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 06:20, Drew Adams wrote: > I'm sure that sooner or later some kind soul will commit this. ;-) =C2=A0= Thanks for > working on it. The discussion finished with no updated patch... =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Juanma From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:55:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6493: Resent-From: Deniz Dogan Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 09:12:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6493 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Juanma Barranquero Cc: 6493@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams Received: via spool by 6493-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6493.12798762792053 (code B ref 6493); Fri, 23 Jul 2010 09:12:02 +0000 Received: (at 6493) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jul 2010 09:11:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcEHn-0000X4-DI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 05:11:19 -0400 Received: from mail-ww0-f46.google.com ([74.125.82.46]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcEHl-0000Wy-LD for 6493@debbugs.gnu.org; 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Fri, 23 Jul 2010 02:10:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <969BF38D66A0450F88923BFF8942AC68@us.oracle.com> <6B20ABD762564DE2AEBA810B54EB46FD@us.oracle.com> <21D2CFB9CFF34D04906728113DA42430@us.oracle.com> <6C93D3874C204C6BACB34962781ED1C9@us.oracle.com> From: Deniz Dogan Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:10:44 +0200 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=0016367fb4c7ad02d9048c0a6a61 X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) --0016367fb4c7ad02d9048c0a6a61 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/7/23 Juanma Barranquero : > On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 06:20, Drew Adams wrote: > >> I'm sure that sooner or later some kind soul will commit this. ;-) =A0Th= anks for >> working on it. > > The discussion finished with no updated patch... > > =A0 =A0 Juanma > Attached is a new patch. --=20 Deniz Dogan --0016367fb4c7ad02d9048c0a6a61 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; 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c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ryyxswjNmbj+whLaGFaTsrtbK8ceErfFmp4p4FsZv446uUQ8iDBkBjAcHFxasO9DKD ylyRX5XiMGAeRMmH9Qye3baBpwPR/3ceaHIYBlo6vSJnQ4ckHsD1Hq2CKgaSbsVB/S5v gUY2BWxJY9XkckergOzMn8oUOuq8G+V91Dy5c= Received: by 10.204.102.138 with SMTP id g10mr2562931bko.42.1279877467123; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 02:31:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.180.136 with HTTP; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 02:30:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <969BF38D66A0450F88923BFF8942AC68@us.oracle.com> <6B20ABD762564DE2AEBA810B54EB46FD@us.oracle.com> <21D2CFB9CFF34D04906728113DA42430@us.oracle.com> <6C93D3874C204C6BACB34962781ED1C9@us.oracle.com> From: Juanma Barranquero Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:30:47 +0200 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 11:10, Deniz Dogan wrot= e: > Attached is a new patch. Thanks. Three comments: - You changed "Return" to "Returns", but it is standard Emacs practice to make the first line in a docstring imperative. From (elisp) D.6 "Tips for Documentation Strings": For consistency, phrase the verb in the first sentence of a function's documentation string as an imperative--for instance, use "Return the cons of A and B." in preference to "Returns the cons of A and B." - You didn't write ChangeLog entries. They are trivial in this case (so no need to resend), but usually a patch should include them. - This thead has been just Drew and you, and I'm not sure the result is better. Though I understand Drew's arguments, it is still a bit weird to me to look at the docstring of region-(beginning|end) and not to see *any* reference to the region (yes, I know it is implicit in "point or mark"). So I'd like to hear more opinions. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Juanma =3D=3D=3D modified file 'src/editfns.c' --- src/editfns.c 2010-06-16 20:08:41 +0000 +++ src/editfns.c 2010-06-27 12:22:00 +0000 @@ -349,14 +349,18 @@ } DEFUN ("region-beginning", Fregion_beginning, Sregion_beginning, 0, 0, 0, - doc: /* Return position of beginning of region, as an integer. */) + doc: /* Returns the smaller of point or mark, as a nonnegative inte= ger. + +Raises an error if the mark is not set. */) () { return region_limit (1); } DEFUN ("region-end", Fregion_end, Sregion_end, 0, 0, 0, - doc: /* Return position of end of region, as an integer. */) + doc: /* Returns the larger of point or mark, as a nonnegative integ= er. + +Raises an error if the mark is not set. */) () { return region_limit (0); From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:55:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6493: Resent-From: Chong Yidong Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:46:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6493 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Juanma Barranquero Cc: 6493@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams , Deniz Dogan Received: via spool by 6493-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6493.127989991818395 (code B ref 6493); Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:46:02 +0000 Received: (at 6493) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jul 2010 15:45:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcKR3-0004me-LU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:45:17 -0400 Received: from pantheon-po23.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.117]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcKR1-0004mY-BB for 6493@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:45:15 -0400 Received: from furry (dhcp128036014221.central.yale.edu [128.36.14.221]) (authenticated bits=0) by pantheon-po23.its.yale.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id o6NFjDom009315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:45:13 -0400 Received: by furry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 36DF0C013; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:45:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Chong Yidong References: <969BF38D66A0450F88923BFF8942AC68@us.oracle.com> <6B20ABD762564DE2AEBA810B54EB46FD@us.oracle.com> <21D2CFB9CFF34D04906728113DA42430@us.oracle.com> <6C93D3874C204C6BACB34962781ED1C9@us.oracle.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:45:13 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Juanma Barranquero's message of "Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:30:47 +0200") Message-ID: <87k4ommcc6.fsf@stupidchicken.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2c (attachment(s) not renamed) X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Juanma Barranquero writes: > On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 11:10, Deniz Dogan wrote: > >> Attached is a new patch. > > Thanks. > > Three comments: Aside from these points (with which I agree), the addition of "as a nonnegative integer" is unnecessary. Point and mark are always non-negative. Also, it is important to keep the word "position", because mark could otherwise refer to the mark marker. I prefer: "Return the position of point or mark, whichever is smaller." From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:55:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6493: Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 16:17:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6493 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'Chong Yidong'" , "'Juanma Barranquero'" Cc: 6493@debbugs.gnu.org, 'Deniz Dogan' Received: via spool by 6493-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6493.127990181819269 (code B ref 6493); Fri, 23 Jul 2010 16:17:02 +0000 Received: (at 6493) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jul 2010 16:16:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcKvh-00050k-R4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 12:16:58 -0400 Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcKvg-00050f-Cn for 6493@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 12:16:56 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id o6NGGqs1031167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Jul 2010 16:16:54 GMT Received: from acsmt353.oracle.com (acsmt353.oracle.com [141.146.40.153]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o6NENB0a029962; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 16:16:51 GMT Received: from abhmt005.oracle.com by acsmt355.oracle.com with ESMTP id 431551821279901810; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 09:16:50 -0700 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.216.179) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 09:16:49 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" References: <969BF38D66A0450F88923BFF8942AC68@us.oracle.com><6B20ABD762564DE2AEBA810B54EB46FD@us.oracle.com><21D2CFB9CFF34D04906728113DA42430@us.oracle.com><6C93D3874C204C6BACB34962781ED1C9@us.oracle.com> <87k4ommcc6.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 09:16:48 -0700 Message-ID: <4DE682C819D14948958FA7A0A0958D13@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <87k4ommcc6.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Thread-Index: Acsqfg87aeWXOSAVQBKrXazCbtfixwABBbmQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Source-IP: acsmt353.oracle.com [141.146.40.153] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090207.4C49C074.0052:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) > I prefer: > "Return the position of point or mark, whichever is smaller." Point _is_ a position. It is the position of the cursor. So that text speaks about the position of the position of the cursor, which is incorrect. But you are correct that we do speak of "setting the mark at a position". From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:55:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6493: Resent-From: Stephen Berman Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:03:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6493 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Chong Yidong Cc: Juanma Barranquero , 6493@debbugs.gnu.org, Deniz Dogan Received: via spool by 6493-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6493.127990457320674 (code B ref 6493); Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:03:01 +0000 Received: (at 6493) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jul 2010 17:02:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcLe8-0005NP-Iq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:02:52 -0400 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.22] helo=mail.gmx.net) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcLe6-0005NI-E2 for 6493@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:02:51 -0400 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 23 Jul 2010 17:02:46 -0000 Received: from i59F56054.versanet.de (EHLO escher.home) [89.245.96.84] by mail.gmx.net (mp006) with SMTP; 23 Jul 2010 19:02:46 +0200 X-Authenticated: #20778731 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/KKaoRDX3KAfhH8wLF9WVtq/ktj9qdpz3zXKGuIq NteFFboye2GW2z Received: by escher.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D0A13103F0; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:02:45 +0200 (CEST) From: Stephen Berman References: <969BF38D66A0450F88923BFF8942AC68@us.oracle.com> <6B20ABD762564DE2AEBA810B54EB46FD@us.oracle.com> <21D2CFB9CFF34D04906728113DA42430@us.oracle.com> <6C93D3874C204C6BACB34962781ED1C9@us.oracle.com> <87k4ommcc6.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:02:45 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87k4ommcc6.fsf@stupidchicken.com> (Chong Yidong's message of "Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:45:13 -0400") Message-ID: <87y6d2jfm2.fsf@escher.home> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:45:13 -0400 Chong Yidong wrote: > Juanma Barranquero writes: > >> On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 11:10, Deniz Dogan wrote: >> >>> Attached is a new patch. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Three comments: > > Aside from these points (with which I agree), the addition of "as a > nonnegative integer" is unnecessary. Point and mark are always > non-negative. Also, it is important to keep the word "position", > because mark could otherwise refer to the mark marker. I prefer: > > "Return the position of point or mark, whichever is smaller." On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 09:16:48 -0700 "Drew Adams" wrote: > Point _is_ a position. It is the position of the cursor. So that text speaks > about the position of the position of the cursor, which is incorrect. > > But you are correct that we do speak of "setting the mark at a position". How about this: "Return the smaller of the integer value of point or the mark." (`value' is used in the doc strings of 'point' and `mark'.) Steve Berman From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:55:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6493: Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:29:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6493 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'Stephen Berman'" , "'Chong Yidong'" Cc: 'Juanma Barranquero' , 6493@debbugs.gnu.org, 'Deniz Dogan' Received: via spool by 6493-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6493.127990611821451 (code B ref 6493); Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:29:02 +0000 Received: (at 6493) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jul 2010 17:28:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcM34-0005Zw-3C for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:28:38 -0400 Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcM31-0005Zr-Ru for 6493@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:28:36 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id o6NHSVOU021925 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:28:33 GMT Received: from acsmt353.oracle.com (acsmt353.oracle.com [141.146.40.153]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o6N1FfgC014284; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:28:28 GMT Received: from abhmt012.oracle.com by acsmt355.oracle.com with ESMTP id 431772941279906021; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:27:01 -0700 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.216.179) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:27:01 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" References: <969BF38D66A0450F88923BFF8942AC68@us.oracle.com><6B20ABD762564DE2AEBA810B54EB46FD@us.oracle.com><21D2CFB9CFF34D04906728113DA42430@us.oracle.com><6C93D3874C204C6BACB34962781ED1C9@us.oracle.com><87k4ommcc6.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87y6d2jfm2.fsf@escher.home> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:26:59 -0700 Message-ID: <5C27C3C9B5A74BDC85D2D78C4E68F276@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <87y6d2jfm2.fsf@escher.home> Thread-Index: AcsqiY1Rrel+g+eBSf6K/u49OFy8swAAHfZA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Source-IP: acsmt353.oracle.com [141.146.40.153] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090206.4C49D13D.031D:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) > How about this: > "Return the smaller of the integer value of point or the mark." > (`value' is used in the doc strings of 'point' and `mark'.) The scope of "the integer value of" is ambiguous. Does it apply to "point or the mark" or to just to "point"? In the latter case, if the mark is smaller than the integer value of point then the mark is returned. (Yes, a marker can be compared numerically.) And in that case, it is incorrect. The mark is a marker. A marker is never returned here - it is the integer value of the mark (or of point) that is returned. And in the former case, the grammar is incorrect - it should be "and" not "or". It's `min' applied to a plurality (2) of things, not just to one of them. So "value" needs to be "values" and "or" needs to be "and". Hence: "Return the smaller of the integer values of point and mark." But that could conceivably be misread to suggest that either can have multiple values... This is what I recommend (very close to what I mentioned in the beginning): "Return the integer value of point or mark, whichever is smaller." From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:55:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6493: Resent-From: Juanma Barranquero Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:34:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6493 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: Chong Yidong , Stephen Berman , 6493@debbugs.gnu.org, Deniz Dogan Received: via spool by 6493-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6493.127990638421614 (code B ref 6493); Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:34:02 +0000 Received: (at 6493) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jul 2010 17:33:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcM7M-0005cZ-BZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:33:04 -0400 Received: from mail-bw0-f44.google.com ([209.85.214.44]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcM7K-0005cA-RF for 6493@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:33:03 -0400 Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so1864945bwz.3 for <6493@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:33:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Pw2EdrpfPhQMn2/elq3I1Cogd+H3WNLFlEVSUjWxXNs=; b=QPniHdUe5nXdOZ+7JHGpz4FbULD8kpal8nuNeYaDUyTc09gurG+8x2b2UhD4jZLIsJ K4OiNZR3f22n6PDONZ9IDjZqZ6+pCxYq+e96IdbIi5WGCQ9OTXcfwWqvkpmBKLL1Wwc9 qzn8pqgIklo/csQ1hSqTF2Rp9k6dHJNbDU4/U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=gEGjB8y+oPpE8hvGGeDjqdtLMF3bMFWpoZLNS8TD4mPmhpEKFdcwWSE4BlSM7+6nG6 qbCkcd3FTCz1Um9mTtdK+91fDnL7AsZkWyORTC1xD4g2y/M7c6+ioC6ue7IiZNiSik6p vnYvf/OHsdfjjoRBkNm0UxMzG4arlTnN9ri6o= Received: by 10.204.126.153 with SMTP id c25mr2991460bks.27.1279906380130; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:33:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.180.136 with HTTP; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:32:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5C27C3C9B5A74BDC85D2D78C4E68F276@us.oracle.com> References: <969BF38D66A0450F88923BFF8942AC68@us.oracle.com> <6B20ABD762564DE2AEBA810B54EB46FD@us.oracle.com> <21D2CFB9CFF34D04906728113DA42430@us.oracle.com> <6C93D3874C204C6BACB34962781ED1C9@us.oracle.com> <87k4ommcc6.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87y6d2jfm2.fsf@escher.home> <5C27C3C9B5A74BDC85D2D78C4E68F276@us.oracle.com> From: Juanma Barranquero Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:32:40 +0200 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 19:26, Drew Adams wrote: > "Return the integer value of point or mark, whichever is smaller." FWIW, I like this one. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Juanma From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:55:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6493: Resent-From: Juanma Barranquero Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:46:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6493 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: Chong Yidong , Stephen Berman , 6493@debbugs.gnu.org, Deniz Dogan Received: via spool by 6493-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6493.128040390310634 (code B ref 6493); Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:46:01 +0000 Received: (at 6493) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Jul 2010 11:45:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OeRXq-0002lT-Sm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Jul 2010 07:45:03 -0400 Received: from mail-bw0-f44.google.com ([209.85.214.44]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OeRXn-0002lG-Sw for 6493@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Jul 2010 07:45:00 -0400 Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so150999bwz.3 for <6493@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 29 Jul 2010 04:45:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=tEYfzDnq37FtFibVXafFIma1c5/OHoRZcFBt5unTC6I=; b=TlglbSmL9USKYBTcmFIfu66bZZT5jyR/2nhZP+v/E8KnO/+MeF3TKaUllfoNWIOyUa MxRM4eYFfWEX43G5me2x/yKSjb9/czUEMVuEpSxe2dt1Ti2feaX4XYO4dau5oNuNi998 S/NiXEle2idjTiiQL5En+cFPaML5e3pr5ICMU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=XayAAfBPYRVi+8l6qI6JXcGnIOavlsUiw5vYGlXSU1doTTxARXbu6MTBvaVDEQxd0O y02aUX6TripvRhxYidj5skTaXheQKOXisbGRQWrCAxZtssOp6is2oJmq0twuHs3X6kR+ sBEAimYdX2Wl2KOMyQlRI1zv+5v6YiWUgnpe8= Received: by 10.204.175.73 with SMTP id w9mr9257635bkz.22.1280403912308; Thu, 29 Jul 2010 04:45:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.180.136 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Jul 2010 04:44:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <969BF38D66A0450F88923BFF8942AC68@us.oracle.com> <6B20ABD762564DE2AEBA810B54EB46FD@us.oracle.com> <21D2CFB9CFF34D04906728113DA42430@us.oracle.com> <6C93D3874C204C6BACB34962781ED1C9@us.oracle.com> <87k4ommcc6.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87y6d2jfm2.fsf@escher.home> <5C27C3C9B5A74BDC85D2D78C4E68F276@us.oracle.com> From: Juanma Barranquero Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 13:44:52 +0200 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) The conclusion is that Chong thinks that "position" should be kept, and Drew thinks that it is redundant. I agree with Drew. The manual says clearly: "The active cursor shows the location at which editing commands will take effect, which is called "point"(1)." So I'd like to commit his proposal ("Return the integer value of point or mark, whichever is smaller.") and just get rid of this bug. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Juanma From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:55:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6493: Resent-From: Johan =?UTF-8?Q?Bockg=C3=A5rd?= Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 15:17:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6493 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Juanma Barranquero Cc: Chong Yidong , Stephen Berman , 6493@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams , Deniz Dogan Received: via spool by 6493-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6493.128041660816216 (code B ref 6493); Thu, 29 Jul 2010 15:17:02 +0000 Received: (at 6493) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Jul 2010 15:16:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OeUqm-0004DV-Ax for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:16:48 -0400 Received: from smtprelay-h32.telenor.se ([213.150.131.5]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OeUqj-0004DQ-OO for 6493@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:16:46 -0400 Received: from ipb2.telenor.se (ipb2.telenor.se [195.54.127.165]) by smtprelay-h32.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 389C5E956E for <6493@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:16:57 +0200 (CEST) X-SENDER-IP: [85.228.203.92] X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqQyAIc4UUxV5MtcPGdsb2JhbACHZpghDAEBAQE1LcAuhTgE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.55,281,1278280800"; d="scan'208";a="111265967" Received: from c-5ccbe455.04-211-6c6b701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO muon.localdomain) ([85.228.203.92]) by ipb2.telenor.se with ESMTP; 29 Jul 2010 17:16:57 +0200 Received: by muon.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8F45C4844B6; Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:16:55 +0200 (CEST) From: Johan =?UTF-8?Q?Bockg=C3=A5rd?= References: <969BF38D66A0450F88923BFF8942AC68@us.oracle.com> <6B20ABD762564DE2AEBA810B54EB46FD@us.oracle.com> <21D2CFB9CFF34D04906728113DA42430@us.oracle.com> <6C93D3874C204C6BACB34962781ED1C9@us.oracle.com> <87k4ommcc6.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87y6d2jfm2.fsf@escher.home> <5C27C3C9B5A74BDC85D2D78C4E68F276@us.oracle.com> Mail-Copies-To: never Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 17:16:55 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Juanma Barranquero's message of "Thu, 29 Jul 2010 13:44:52 +0200") Message-ID: <87iq3y9v2w.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) Juanma Barranquero writes: > So I'd like to commit his proposal ("Return the integer value of point > or mark, whichever is smaller.") and just get rid of this bug. Something that should be mentioned in the doc strings is the following: The next two functions signal an error if the mark does not point anywhere. If Transient Mark mode is enabled and `mark-even-if-inactive' is `nil', they also signal an error if the mark is inactive. From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:55:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6493: Resent-From: Chong Yidong Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 15:59:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6493 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Juanma Barranquero Cc: Stephen Berman , 6493@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams , Deniz Dogan Received: via spool by 6493-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6493.128041911217480 (code B ref 6493); Thu, 29 Jul 2010 15:59:01 +0000 Received: (at 6493) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Jul 2010 15:58:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OeVV9-0004Xt-Hh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:58:31 -0400 Received: from pantheon-po23.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.117]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OeVV7-0004Xn-Fp for 6493@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:58:29 -0400 Received: from furry (dhcp128036014221.central.yale.edu [128.36.14.221]) (authenticated bits=0) by pantheon-po23.its.yale.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id o6TFwg0w021716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:58:42 -0400 Received: by furry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C5C82C013; Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:58:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Chong Yidong References: <969BF38D66A0450F88923BFF8942AC68@us.oracle.com> <6B20ABD762564DE2AEBA810B54EB46FD@us.oracle.com> <21D2CFB9CFF34D04906728113DA42430@us.oracle.com> <6C93D3874C204C6BACB34962781ED1C9@us.oracle.com> <87k4ommcc6.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87y6d2jfm2.fsf@escher.home> <5C27C3C9B5A74BDC85D2D78C4E68F276@us.oracle.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:58:42 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Juanma Barranquero's message of "Thu, 29 Jul 2010 13:44:52 +0200") Message-ID: <87hbjil1ot.fsf@stupidchicken.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2c (attachment(s) not renamed) X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Juanma Barranquero writes: > The conclusion is that Chong thinks that "position" should be kept, > and Drew thinks that it is redundant. > > I agree with Drew. The manual says clearly: "The active cursor shows > the location at which editing commands will > take effect, which is called "point"(1)." > > So I'd like to commit his proposal ("Return the integer value of point > or mark, whichever is smaller.") and just get rid of this bug. Go ahead. From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:55:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6493: Resent-From: Juanma Barranquero Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 19:02:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6493 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Johan =?UTF-8?Q?Bockg=C3=A5rd?= Cc: Chong Yidong , Stephen Berman , 6493@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams , Deniz Dogan Received: via spool by 6493-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6493.128068930417177 (code B ref 6493); Sun, 01 Aug 2010 19:02:02 +0000 Received: (at 6493) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Aug 2010 19:01:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ofdn6-0004T0-Ad for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2010 15:01:44 -0400 Received: from mail-iw0-f172.google.com ([209.85.214.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ofdn4-0004Ss-8R for 6493@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2010 15:01:42 -0400 Received: by iwn38 with SMTP id 38so3062060iwn.3 for <6493@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 01 Aug 2010 12:02:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=4U/LAmPY+LKu5opdn1gm7xD/LwdurkRJoMaTYx0sKHM=; b=KAPO1PvMuGaCoXg4xf+8l64D3J3QKG3TBxf4uxA5qkx+7tIu7LXewmNstUKIPNOZlt +rWYP3RZmypk+kt7LYGCOybHnEF3m6Ux9QB6EN4Rfcn/2fkXLirnt8UF+r7WZNqxcD1I xhGKpm2LTrU6tbICyq+FkMcRw7M14ra67+/Bk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ZIXfidRbNn9wwri9ExMqB/ZUyzyIi/6LficBszVMgq2baDA2YtldYscUE2kWlMNH1N QnEPJIaOvU9l6SqkApOShSZvLgoGcXtwD1C8xmyiZRUWoaEOtDONVdKye8YXwgTKnJCJ mE0TVeEW28bXW4dTekGKqAydZMLiSnDe5BcPA= Received: by 10.231.39.134 with SMTP id g6mr5762848ibe.8.1280689323124; Sun, 01 Aug 2010 12:02:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.162.4 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Aug 2010 12:01:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87iq3y9v2w.fsf@gnu.org> References: <969BF38D66A0450F88923BFF8942AC68@us.oracle.com> <6B20ABD762564DE2AEBA810B54EB46FD@us.oracle.com> <21D2CFB9CFF34D04906728113DA42430@us.oracle.com> <6C93D3874C204C6BACB34962781ED1C9@us.oracle.com> <87k4ommcc6.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87y6d2jfm2.fsf@escher.home> <5C27C3C9B5A74BDC85D2D78C4E68F276@us.oracle.com> <87iq3y9v2w.fsf@gnu.org> From: Juanma Barranquero Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 21:01:43 +0200 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 17:16, Johan Bockg=C3=A5rd wrote: > Something that should be mentioned in the doc strings is the following: > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0The next two functions signal an error if the mark does not = point > =C2=A0 =C2=A0anywhere. If Transient Mark mode is enabled and > =C2=A0 =C2=A0`mark-even-if-inactive' is `nil', they also signal an error = if the > =C2=A0 =C2=A0mark is inactive. Can we simplify that to just say that they signal an error if the region is not active? (The region-* commands are somewhat specific, so it's reasonable to suppose that the programmer knows what he's doing or can lookup the docs.) =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Juanma From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:55:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6493: Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 21:18:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6493 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'Juanma Barranquero'" , "'Johan =?UTF-8?Q?Bockg=C3=A5rd'"?= Cc: 'Chong Yidong' , 'Stephen Berman' , 6493@debbugs.gnu.org, 'Deniz Dogan' Received: via spool by 6493-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6493.128069744120777 (code B ref 6493); Sun, 01 Aug 2010 21:18:01 +0000 Received: (at 6493) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Aug 2010 21:17:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OffuL-0005P4-9Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2010 17:17:21 -0400 Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OffuJ-0005Oz-LW for 6493@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2010 17:17:20 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id o71LHd7Z030022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Aug 2010 21:17:40 GMT Received: from acsmt354.oracle.com (acsmt354.oracle.com [141.146.40.154]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o71L7DAZ024823; Sun, 1 Aug 2010 21:17:37 GMT Received: from abhmt003.oracle.com by acsmt354.oracle.com with ESMTP id 474676271280697455; Sun, 01 Aug 2010 14:17:35 -0700 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.219.98) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 01 Aug 2010 14:17:34 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" References: <969BF38D66A0450F88923BFF8942AC68@us.oracle.com> <6B20ABD762564DE2AEBA810B54EB46FD@us.oracle.com> <21D2CFB9CFF34D04906728113DA42430@us.oracle.com> <6C93D3874C204C6BACB34962781ED1C9@us.oracle.com> <87k4ommcc6.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87y6d2jfm2.fsf@escher.home> <5C27C3C9B5A74BDC85D2D78C4E68F276@us.oracle.com> <87iq3y9v2w.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 14:17:35 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcsxrAd9shuMuEuNQne+/FCCyfyFfQAEbUQg In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Source-IP: acsmt354.oracle.com [141.146.40.154] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090204.4C55E472.00F3:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) > > Something that should be mentioned in the doc strings is=20 > > the following: > > > > =A0 =A0The next two functions signal an error if the mark does not = point > > =A0 =A0anywhere. If Transient Mark mode is enabled and > > =A0 =A0`mark-even-if-inactive' is `nil', they also signal an=20 > > error if the=A0mark is inactive. Why should that be mentioned? What important problem or use case would we be pointing out? > Can we simplify that to just say that they signal an error if the > region is not active? (The region-* commands are somewhat specific, so > it's reasonable to suppose that the programmer knows what he's doing > or can lookup the docs.) I have no real objection to a clear statement of the error handling. In general it is a good idea to mention important error cases. But I do not think it is necessary to mention error handling at all for = these doc strings. In this case, saying more is saying less, and likely to = just add confusion. It's pretty obvious that a numerical comparison needs to be done to = determine the smaller/larger of point and mark, and it's similarly obvious that if = the numerical value of one of them (mark) cannot be determined then an error = would be raised. That does not follow _logically_ - we could return the other value = (point is numeric) or some special value to indicate this condition, but raising = an error seems like common sense and what users would expect. I see no reason to = add info about the error handling. From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:55:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6493: Resent-From: Juanma Barranquero Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 03:31:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6493 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: Chong Yidong , Stephen Berman , 6493@debbugs.gnu.org, Johan =?UTF-8?Q?Bockg=C3=A5rd?= , Deniz Dogan Received: via spool by 6493-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6493.128071983132460 (code B ref 6493); Mon, 02 Aug 2010 03:31:01 +0000 Received: (at 6493) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Aug 2010 03:30:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OfljT-0008RV-Ax for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2010 23:30:31 -0400 Received: from mail-iw0-f172.google.com ([209.85.214.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OfljS-0008RP-3q for 6493@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2010 23:30:30 -0400 Received: by iwn38 with SMTP id 38so3395100iwn.3 for <6493@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 01 Aug 2010 20:30:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=5HVIEQDTS2sss+QWwSdjc59rU+I20YTNsfu1A4t+Tp4=; b=Ozw6rYL7J1H1Y87ADEBOE1SOlvVBikX1OTOIa5rSx22/E4NN1ViWNSiJN4eRiXN9Dn M6EZTyjPG4ZwOS40MKAQm4AGMwmDp6hpZATbyIGw+ZhfeToRs7GrJiPUo0n/0wJuEwaE Dao6UP8wlLuqABFVRrsHyoWnFZcG0f2lm7fow= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=g/m6w4plmXCyxirltAY15UneG1KDnpNjIn82IFkdr+J5q2GVWKORZWsP5e9a9EtlD7 Wqh8chVr9br08Tgvjt+wQux7Sa5IziHzly1S/tR/K6R++Jw/Nu57CXU5QwghH8cpqA3j vwVE8GQW4d3lImkZIu3odpT++TVsoLRuaY7R0= Received: by 10.231.14.69 with SMTP id f5mr2037855iba.116.1280719851845; Sun, 01 Aug 2010 20:30:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.162.4 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Aug 2010 20:30:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <969BF38D66A0450F88923BFF8942AC68@us.oracle.com> <6B20ABD762564DE2AEBA810B54EB46FD@us.oracle.com> <21D2CFB9CFF34D04906728113DA42430@us.oracle.com> <6C93D3874C204C6BACB34962781ED1C9@us.oracle.com> <87k4ommcc6.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87y6d2jfm2.fsf@escher.home> <5C27C3C9B5A74BDC85D2D78C4E68F276@us.oracle.com> <87iq3y9v2w.fsf@gnu.org> From: Juanma Barranquero Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 05:30:31 +0200 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) 2010/8/1 Drew Adams : > That does not follow _logically_ - we could return the other value (point= is > numeric) or some special value to indicate this condition, but raising an= error > seems like common sense and what users would expect. That's highly subjective IMHO. Do you oppose to the following (minimal) version? =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Juanma =3D=3D=3D modified file 'src/editfns.c' --- src/editfns.c 2010-07-29 15:50:04 +0000 +++ src/editfns.c 2010-08-02 03:27:32 +0000 @@ -337,5 +337,6 @@ DEFUN ("region-beginning", Fregion_beginning, Sregion_beginning, 0, 0, 0, - doc: /* Return position of beginning of region, as an integer. */) + doc: /* Return the integer value of point or mark, whichever is sma= ller. +Signal an error if the region is not active. */) (void) { @@ -344,5 +345,6 @@ DEFUN ("region-end", Fregion_end, Sregion_end, 0, 0, 0, - doc: /* Return position of end of region, as an integer. */) + doc: /* Return the integer value of point or mark, whichever is lar= ger. +Signal an error if the region is not active. */) (void) { From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:55:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6493: Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 05:11:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6493 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'Juanma Barranquero'" Cc: 'Chong Yidong' , 'Stephen Berman' , 6493@debbugs.gnu.org, 'Johan =?UTF-8?Q?Bockg=C3=A5rd'?= , 'Deniz Dogan' Received: via spool by 6493-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6493.12807258462633 (code B ref 6493); Mon, 02 Aug 2010 05:11:02 +0000 Received: (at 6493) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Aug 2010 05:10:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OfnIU-0000gQ-Fm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 01:10:46 -0400 Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OfnIS-0000gJ-6b for 6493@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 01:10:44 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id o725B3p5031732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Aug 2010 05:11:05 GMT Received: from acsmt354.oracle.com (acsmt354.oracle.com [141.146.40.154]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o722kh8a014844; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 05:11:00 GMT Received: from abhmt005.oracle.com by acsmt354.oracle.com with ESMTP id 456604221280725780; Sun, 01 Aug 2010 22:09:40 -0700 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.219.98) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 01 Aug 2010 22:09:39 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" References: <969BF38D66A0450F88923BFF8942AC68@us.oracle.com> <6B20ABD762564DE2AEBA810B54EB46FD@us.oracle.com> <21D2CFB9CFF34D04906728113DA42430@us.oracle.com> <6C93D3874C204C6BACB34962781ED1C9@us.oracle.com> <87k4ommcc6.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87y6d2jfm2.fsf@escher.home> <5C27C3C9B5A74BDC85D2D78C4E68F276@us.oracle.com> <87iq3y9v2w.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 22:09:40 -0700 Message-ID: <5AD2CD000C804817AC345494DB9DAAD1@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acsx8xwx54qG6NiQSvuNiGZgnmPxiQADXT/Q In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Source-IP: acsmt354.oracle.com [141.146.40.154] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090202.4C565367.003B:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) > > an error seems like common sense and what users would expect. > > That's highly subjective IMHO. > Do you oppose to the following (minimal) version? Nope. (I already said so.) From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:55:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6493: Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 05:35:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6493 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'Juanma Barranquero'" Cc: 'Chong Yidong' , 'Stephen Berman' , 6493@debbugs.gnu.org, 'Johan =?UTF-8?Q?Bockg=C3=A5rd'?= , 'Deniz Dogan' Received: via spool by 6493-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6493.12807272913603 (code B ref 6493); Mon, 02 Aug 2010 05:35:01 +0000 Received: (at 6493) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Aug 2010 05:34:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ofnfm-0000w4-P2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 01:34:50 -0400 Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ofnfk-0000vx-Cv for 6493@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 01:34:48 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id o725Z8Om003660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Aug 2010 05:35:10 GMT Received: from acsmt355.oracle.com (acsmt355.oracle.com [141.146.40.155]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o725Z5uN029728; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 05:35:05 GMT Received: from abhmt006.oracle.com by acsmt355.oracle.com with ESMTP id 475280011280727280; Sun, 01 Aug 2010 22:34:40 -0700 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.219.98) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 01 Aug 2010 22:34:40 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" References: <969BF38D66A0450F88923BFF8942AC68@us.oracle.com> <6B20ABD762564DE2AEBA810B54EB46FD@us.oracle.com> <21D2CFB9CFF34D04906728113DA42430@us.oracle.com> <6C93D3874C204C6BACB34962781ED1C9@us.oracle.com> <87k4ommcc6.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87y6d2jfm2.fsf@escher.home> <5C27C3C9B5A74BDC85D2D78C4E68F276@us.oracle.com> <87iq3y9v2w.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 22:34:40 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acsx8xwx54qG6NiQSvuNiGZgnmPxiQADXT/QAADBBRA= In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Source-IP: acsmt355.oracle.com [141.146.40.155] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090201.4C56590C.00A2:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) > > > an error seems like common sense and what users would expect. > > > > That's highly subjective IMHO. > > Do you oppose to the following (minimal) version? > > Nope. (I already said so.) Oops, yes, I do oppose it, because it is incorrect. What I said earlier was: "I have no real objection to a clear statement of the error handling." ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ But it is incorrect that these raise an error if the region is inactive - they do not. emacs -Q Visit some file. C-SPC, then move point somewhere. C-g to deactivate the region. M-: (region-beginning) -> returns the value of `(mark)'. This is with the default value of `mark-even-if-inactive' and the default of transient-mark-mode turned on. If you want to describe the error treatment then you need to do so completely and correctly. As before, I recommend against describing error handling in this case, but I do not oppose it if done right. From unknown Sun Jun 22 00:55:45 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.427 (Entity 5.427) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: "Drew Adams" Subject: bug#6493: closed (Re: bug#6493:) Message-ID: References: <969BF38D66A0450F88923BFF8942AC68@us.oracle.com> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 6493 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 6493@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 06:44:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1280731442-5329-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1280731442-5329-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #6493: 24.0.50; doc strings of region-beginning, region-end which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 6493@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 6493: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D6493 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1280731442-5329-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 6493-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Aug 2010 06:43:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ofok3-0001Ni-3M for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 02:43:19 -0400 Received: from mail-yx0-f172.google.com ([209.85.213.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ofok0-0001Nb-1a for 6493-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 02:43:16 -0400 Received: by yxj4 with SMTP id 4so1200613yxj.3 for <6493-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 01 Aug 2010 23:43:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=954ml4oF8+Nz/zP5v5EhxHCVpXcgXTJAy9+BI1ceMB0=; b=go0tOeq9cCJKHeRHUR8kFt/X5wmHBHzsZvx7E2KH6dkN+EtwSBfYOUAge7Kiyegta9 ZykL5Zqdj8s+S2PYBqqGifv0BcHTXEPOck313HQEMsh+QCXlPiyPtIHs54mD/nwv8zil l6wgaY4lOjDxLMIqvJ6+AKR/tT65Xi8X7KXv4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=qoY/kJyvSEl8gEel4Pmci8Y8aCEGhZtmWaq4vJzB17y3oQgXpz4Fg6hYBCZSTsvKq6 7N9Ojvmz8W8WYERCEVfbdXicNcQdMrp4/NSVEJNOxO4I3rtbPV4l1kxmv16xBNY5eOEv YrgSPI5ICVnVdBdfRyby0o7KguxHpCCz/fUtE= Received: by 10.150.68.9 with SMTP id q9mr6299919yba.208.1280731418211; Sun, 01 Aug 2010 23:43:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.162.4 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Aug 2010 23:43:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <969BF38D66A0450F88923BFF8942AC68@us.oracle.com> <6B20ABD762564DE2AEBA810B54EB46FD@us.oracle.com> <21D2CFB9CFF34D04906728113DA42430@us.oracle.com> <6C93D3874C204C6BACB34962781ED1C9@us.oracle.com> <87k4ommcc6.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87y6d2jfm2.fsf@escher.home> <5C27C3C9B5A74BDC85D2D78C4E68F276@us.oracle.com> <87iq3y9v2w.fsf@gnu.org> From: Juanma Barranquero Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 08:43:18 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#6493: To: Drew Adams Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 6493-done Cc: Chong Yidong , Stephen Berman , 6493-done@debbugs.gnu.org, =?UTF-8?Q?Johan_Bockg=C3=A5rd?= , Deniz Dogan X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 07:34, Drew Adams wrote: > Oops, yes, I do oppose it, because it is incorrect. Committed without the error note. > If you want to describe the error treatment then you need to do so comple= tely > and correctly. =C2=A0As before, I recommend against describing error hand= ling in this > case, but I do not oppose it if done right. I'l leave that to interested parties. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Juanma ------------=_1280731442-5329-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Jun 2010 16:13:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OR66o-0000mw-Gj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:13:58 -0400 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166] helo=mx10.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OR66Y-0000mq-R9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:13:56 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:45915) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OR66R-00028b-18 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:13:35 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=52090 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OR66L-0003Ag-1c for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:13:33 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OR66J-0003T5-Dm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:13:28 -0400 Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]:27613) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OR66J-0003Sr-8Y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:13:27 -0400 Received: from rcsinet13.oracle.com (rcsinet13.oracle.com [148.87.113.125]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id o5MGDOqt025717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:13:25 GMT Received: from acsmt355.oracle.com (acsmt355.oracle.com [141.146.40.155]) by rcsinet13.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o5M0xK96005093 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:13:22 GMT Received: from abhmt007.oracle.com by acsmt354.oracle.com with ESMTP id 364152571277223193; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 09:13:13 -0700 Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.160.27) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 09:13:11 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 24.0.50; doc strings of region-beginning, region-end Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 09:13:10 -0700 Message-ID: <969BF38D66A0450F88923BFF8942AC68@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcsSJc7W9nuyQUXISACJW0yqO29sYg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-Source-IP: rcsinet13.oracle.com [148.87.113.125] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090208.4C20E125.0172:SCFMA4539811,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-Spam-Score: -6.2 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.2 (------) The doc strings just repeat the function names - they provide no helpful info at all. What we need to add is what is said in the Elisp manual: that the "beginning" ("end") is the position of either point or the mark, whichever is smaller (larger). In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2010-06-21 on 3249CTO Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (4.4) --no-opt --cflags -Ic:/xpm/include' ------------=_1280731442-5329-1--