From unknown Sat Aug 09 15:57:33 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#64597 <64597@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#64597 <64597@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: mode-line tool inaccessible when window width is small Reply-To: bug#64597 <64597@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2025 22:57:33 +0000 retitle 64597 mode-line tool inaccessible when window width is small reassign 64597 emacs submitter 64597 uzibalqa severity 64597 normal tag 64597 notabug wontfix thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 13 11:16:12 2023 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2023 15:16:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40599 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qJy39-0000K2-W1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2023 11:16:12 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:46114) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qJy37-0000Ju-KB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2023 11:16:10 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qJy37-0003D9-Az for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2023 11:16:09 -0400 Received: from mail-40135.protonmail.ch ([185.70.40.135]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qJy33-0004lK-Rg for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2023 11:16:09 -0400 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2023 15:15:58 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=protonmail; t=1689261362; x=1689520562; bh=n1wlhS0BLKHxwAxMo6VHxrv0zWUhBJ/0tAEnSS6vvpU=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date: Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID:Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=bWsP3Pd2OQsI5PbOoLGqODI/zgoFgFgd3A1thpAO3tW/iED/IJM9YYYpsbGoGPOTO 43CAk8q0RFdO7gC3lHThcM44tJUxN1x1onTvPHhIdQs++KjYiuUkIujIBrjUx+tFUY DWv6ibjjQgu+Wpl+UKWcLfR5xRXWBIgT3vG0QaMf23rW6KtGPYcVrr3a/tPVeY12Zb K/qeKWPcMWMaBjsVvYhzI1ZvIY0mzzLljJqx/y1QV+m8hcbT3qTibn8ZCo+lJuHrqy e0s/oHJCHriyvPismpEl5LmXmANYohhYhhgHn4XV/oqhNwKAVUGxqgWE5ol1tHfxHI ahTkWbtS96h/g== To: "bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" From: uzibalqa Subject: mode-line tool inaccessible when window width is small Message-ID: Feedback-ID: 52887082:user:proton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.70.40.135; envelope-from=uzibalqa@proton.me; helo=mail-40135.protonmail.ch X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) When a window is reduced in size I find no way to be able to use the mode-l= ine tools. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 13 11:56:46 2023 Received: (at 64597) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2023 15:56:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40629 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qJygQ-0001aT-5K for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2023 11:56:46 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35884) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qJygL-0001aC-Uw for 64597@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2023 11:56:45 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qJygG-0003pE-2k; Thu, 13 Jul 2023 11:56:36 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=0cgk5XY4VymmE1+O/oiaDnZoC0GjS78y5Dc/yN3Ff+A=; b=qekImIgfOswX KuVOogRrxpMeP697rGwnip3huqjw7hn1sTehRQV3k5SG4HUVhP8R2xz08ibpEG4cqqRWMZKrBclzZ gbxta2BOwXQQV4UoJg2j8TQzRhuwGn5JA18HCrJAX83tVYLzoCt2l5NTBc9gfR9zmI5zCkq1ey/vy NnX0SBk35YZPjaO3HuZitSL7OJJnNUTwb+xGYtVPcEulZxSSFZVd6wSTYM0VAxn5ZE6Mi9EAIHOhg deIXzYDSgYuvIMsfnxjCO3IXF6g3ihvS4fpd5xe4pHJMn2LjJpHvkgjb64OODQOxvMJaJ+NDHCMdp QCHyTK3yZ4chTV3daMTCmg==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qJygF-0008UP-Ib; Thu, 13 Jul 2023 11:56:35 -0400 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2023 18:56:52 +0300 Message-Id: <83r0pb4xff.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: uzibalqa In-Reply-To: (bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org) Subject: Re: bug#64597: mode-line tool inaccessible when window width is small References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 64597 Cc: 64597@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2023 15:15:58 +0000 > From: uzibalqa via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, > the Swiss army knife of text editors" > > > When a window is reduced in size I find no way to be able to use the mode-line tools. What do you mean by "mode-line tools", and how short does the mode-line have to be in order to see the problems you see? IOW, please provide a complete recipe to reproduce this problem, starting from "emacs -Q", so that the problem and the way to reproduce it will be clear. Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 14 17:25:44 2023 Received: (at 64597) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jul 2023 21:25:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43595 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qKQIK-0005yG-2m for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2023 17:25:44 -0400 Received: from mail-4324.protonmail.ch ([185.70.43.24]:14529) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qKQIH-0005y2-EF for 64597@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2023 17:25:42 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2023 21:25:29 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=protonmail; t=1689369935; x=1689629135; bh=dPymxJm/CbpuvPDDTryrxXgEpzuuf97n7euxu1puQtw=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=e9fy4PN90pAdGQcg39rgSVXRmCLkYrdwCapShdkVKmir1SH6OlnrYMPtVmiBSTN4j iJmJc9tq12qUBJBHXHpuvV/Xti605avuIV5ryKJsAP410mdWsZYqd7mr3n7FQ9rGED fm42XYm/T35atseg65v2hpcTsGkny3YXyNPq/BzSfDDJNEQKTWFyDcWl/DH8DAfTB0 X4vIRm8I3NnZqR5LWOZ4iHQYYMWSmffyipC6UVU8bQ6B+4tuHz9zHgsdT/9Iu4lS3C gqcW/J2a+eval4lIc2BfpY2gc0N311wUe46/5+Dx51momocbtGlUOhhGmaeiGEpY96 kvunek4tt+Uuw== To: Eli Zaretskii From: uzibalqa Subject: Re: bug#64597: mode-line tool inaccessible when window width is small Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <83r0pb4xff.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83r0pb4xff.fsf@gnu.org> Feedback-ID: 52887082:user:proton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 64597 Cc: 64597@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) ------- Original Message ------- On Friday, July 14th, 2023 at 3:56 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2023 15:15:58 +0000 > > From: uzibalqa via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, > > the Swiss army knife of text editors" bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > >=20 > > When a window is reduced in size I find no way to be able to use the mo= de-line tools. >=20 >=20 > What do you mean by "mode-line tools", and how short does the > mode-line have to be in order to see the problems you see? >=20 > IOW, please provide a complete recipe to reproduce this problem, > starting from "emacs -Q", so that the problem and the way to reproduce > it will be clear. >=20 > Thanks. Suppose I have a bunch of self-defined minor modes displayed in the modelin= e,=20 where the lighters have the capability of showing menus (e.g. Outl). Now, consider I need an accessible modeline (i.e. one with big font and bol= d weight). Reducing the frame or window width makes the lighters at the far end of the= modeline inaccessible for use. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 15 02:00:40 2023 Received: (at 64597) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2023 06:00:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43828 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qKYKd-0004Ic-NI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Jul 2023 02:00:40 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52530) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qKYKb-0004IK-6h; Sat, 15 Jul 2023 02:00:38 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qKYKV-0002AX-Fz; Sat, 15 Jul 2023 02:00:31 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=xEKIIf1TJ77q3y055WIdr1LVSYgY/2NjR90p5ts5+Bw=; b=NIxjIXpGyvN2 iDkvBSXGTYQHBVK2EFmWUs6GFyRbtOEiy7ISwPCvxJG8ok1rf4tpl5vXhFxPf1bwrC3CRVL1VdWWP IR4R39YQLNAYnTx7TZfDcfPuw9EZfeBrM8ykNvH6xmAhKgUrrQWeh9a6TlF66vKF70Ue/6yYti6yn T3YqeYhDXLKALkAmX8F/DJZ/9PgQnIEzHoTHHBuIHZtoYZE9GFpj/3UjxwLN9N52rlw2nc9PLUh1g XxoJGqTU2ROaMLcrIow/kkuTTNHZGf8QZUHw0v3vyowKBtbbpC6m7oZx2V7BlDcsuQt8xJFGh3Rdc zCtmutYz3vhxfXh8SSEI8Q==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qKYKV-00030c-0D; Sat, 15 Jul 2023 02:00:31 -0400 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2023 09:00:52 +0300 Message-Id: <83ilalemsr.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: uzibalqa In-Reply-To: (message from uzibalqa on Fri, 14 Jul 2023 21:25:29 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#64597: mode-line tool inaccessible when window width is small References: <83r0pb4xff.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 64597 Cc: 64597@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) tags 64597 notabug wontfix thanks > Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2023 21:25:29 +0000 > From: uzibalqa > Cc: 64597@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > When a window is reduced in size I find no way to be able to use the mode-line tools. > > > > > > What do you mean by "mode-line tools", and how short does the > > mode-line have to be in order to see the problems you see? > > > > IOW, please provide a complete recipe to reproduce this problem, > > starting from "emacs -Q", so that the problem and the way to reproduce > > it will be clear. > > > > Thanks. > > Suppose I have a bunch of self-defined minor modes displayed in the modeline, > where the lighters have the capability of showing menus (e.g. Outl). > > Now, consider I need an accessible modeline (i.e. one with big font and bold weight). > Reducing the frame or window width makes the lighters at the far end of the modeline > inaccessible for use. You can try setting mode-line-compact non-nil. If even that doesn't solve your problem because you make your frames too narrow, or have too many minor mode lighters active at the same time, then there's nothing else Emacs can do: the fact that the mode line is a single screen line is currently a hard restriction in the design of the Emacs display, and so extra mode-line elements are truncated on display. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 15 07:23:51 2023 Received: (at 64597) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2023 11:23:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44265 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qKdNP-00080b-FP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Jul 2023 07:23:51 -0400 Received: from mail-40130.protonmail.ch ([185.70.40.130]:50391) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qKdNM-00080N-Vo for 64597@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Jul 2023 07:23:50 -0400 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2023 11:23:40 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=protonmail; t=1689420223; x=1689679423; bh=nj8kw+oRc5MuIjnVc13W8zKDa5mvcMoeSshNAWNsMTo=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=iD0OkLFLbNVqkTVtzhJqWr+FmFTL9CxTQqQqxK3llkyZ4fM2V9CYKqDAba/nc6ctW EFvXna/Ts/H9t5JMXrtCyiBWzFdlzQrVK3y0kbyFCKoK1iW0HoEJac7D+hignSAInt aCjKi4RWqUH+FntwOSfiHq66mIHrrhyNqVbAQ5y40ho7PGCsTOcH9ZEqQT4AYHNZrI i3Qsfb7cXla/Okjm4TuFq4kGEPP22m1jJCytaC7bfyOhedAnbGGqxd/nbStO0RFbni HEobK7JNKB8iCm+PxMX6RNf1DDQGZjTwt0sy6BJqbr2m8bRncJj03Kd5og0lHz+iYe pWMwgxDL3Cg4w== To: Eli Zaretskii From: uzibalqa Subject: Re: bug#64597: mode-line tool inaccessible when window width is small Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <83ilalemsr.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83r0pb4xff.fsf@gnu.org> <83ilalemsr.fsf@gnu.org> Feedback-ID: 52887082:user:proton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 64597 Cc: 64597@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) ------- Original Message ------- On Saturday, July 15th, 2023 at 6:00 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote= : > tags 64597 notabug wontfix > thanks >=20 > > Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2023 21:25:29 +0000 > > From: uzibalqa uzibalqa@proton.me > > Cc: 64597@debbugs.gnu.org > >=20 > > > > When a window is reduced in size I find no way to be able to use th= e mode-line tools. > > >=20 > > > What do you mean by "mode-line tools", and how short does the > > > mode-line have to be in order to see the problems you see? > > >=20 > > > IOW, please provide a complete recipe to reproduce this problem, > > > starting from "emacs -Q", so that the problem and the way to reproduc= e > > > it will be clear. > > >=20 > > > Thanks. > >=20 > > Suppose I have a bunch of self-defined minor modes displayed in the mod= eline, > > where the lighters have the capability of showing menus (e.g. Outl). > >=20 > > Now, consider I need an accessible modeline (i.e. one with big font and= bold weight). > > Reducing the frame or window width makes the lighters at the far end of= the modeline > > inaccessible for use. >=20 >=20 > You can try setting mode-line-compact non-nil. If even that doesn't > solve your problem because you make your frames too narrow, or have > too many minor mode lighters active at the same time, then there's > nothing else Emacs can do: the fact that the mode line is a single > screen line is currently a hard restriction in the design of the Emacs > display, and so extra mode-line elements are truncated on display. The compact setting replaces multiple spaces with a single space. It does not really solve the problem. Wontfix is not a good decision. Changes window sizes is a very common occurrence. Having a hard restriction on the mode-line is quite bad design to continue working with. Especially when package-defined and self-define= d=20 minor modes are becoming quite common. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 15 07:37:29 2023 Received: (at 64597-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2023 11:37:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44289 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qKdaa-0002UP-Om for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Jul 2023 07:37:29 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40518) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qKdaZ-0002UE-TA for 64597-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Jul 2023 07:37:28 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qKdaT-0006na-OR; Sat, 15 Jul 2023 07:37:22 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=/+URaFn//j5lZvZjX4btI86r17dLwVzLaTIRgTm0wWM=; b=q+srQ/JDV+Jf uxC6e6a1Lunqb9M2fHzHkADVkpo9ZOV5sNViLJjTUC6i6R8Eflf8q1ALp4FXcGL6mz8YqA3hl+sBi sVO1UxxZdqNyqaUB6TkJAVop5oTrs+HiE3NFIguyG/nu0glRNHKVb909Yqc01BMr386PX797Hca0S a1ppLMl+j96KsMGrEBtzs9pmgS1WaK7xwf4xqlh2NnexdH6vUXuQ0lDNWmx3+vO9rcMl9kJHCLq7l BRKEkTuxU3ApIA+gIyoRtj1Munquvh+Q6XvoRAmbeBD0mwLOF8uayPFEJ+VkG1iTCQhgrARXlG7Gi 4UKXWyPy0Kv60KgxX//imA==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qKdaS-0006XP-B4; Sat, 15 Jul 2023 07:37:21 -0400 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2023 14:37:42 +0300 Message-Id: <831qh9csmx.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: uzibalqa In-Reply-To: (message from uzibalqa on Sat, 15 Jul 2023 11:23:40 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#64597: mode-line tool inaccessible when window width is small References: <83r0pb4xff.fsf@gnu.org> <83ilalemsr.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 64597-done Cc: 64597-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2023 11:23:40 +0000 > From: uzibalqa > Cc: 64597@debbugs.gnu.org > > > You can try setting mode-line-compact non-nil. If even that doesn't > > solve your problem because you make your frames too narrow, or have > > too many minor mode lighters active at the same time, then there's > > nothing else Emacs can do: the fact that the mode line is a single > > screen line is currently a hard restriction in the design of the Emacs > > display, and so extra mode-line elements are truncated on display. > > The compact setting replaces multiple spaces with a single space. It does > not really solve the problem. > > Wontfix is not a good decision. Changes window sizes is a very common > occurrence. Having a hard restriction on the mode-line is quite bad design > to continue working with. Especially when package-defined and self-defined > minor modes are becoming quite common. Thanks, noted. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 15 07:42:11 2023 Received: (at 64597) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2023 11:42:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44304 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qKdf8-0002cF-JN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Jul 2023 07:42:10 -0400 Received: from mail-40141.protonmail.ch ([185.70.40.141]:41071) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qKdf6-0002c0-9x for 64597@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Jul 2023 07:42:09 -0400 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2023 11:41:59 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=azpjo3lx2zglnocpswneepx4ei.protonmail; t=1689421322; x=1689680522; bh=g2y0fNxaz3g3XWXa5VV6GRPtWkRthO2pavX6XxXn4BU=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=I6kWKrA/2K2AVReFxDD6kFfrHywVrFx+fL9AHW/ozxqA3SMAhmvxTZAW9PhRt5dmy xPQQvaF7rUhUGqkyEZbCe4g5gkJAtCI33qK4jv0pIi1UNIzO6fps9Y0K+Ak5LnOYxA p6Y51z1zprVlnDbpYSfz9UL4FD1kfBhJcdOe1Q/tXDN354/HCyx5lPVrkUA6a/wcND cYk7LM02Xk9/0bNdQY67bK5tM+TV0qXWotNU+LRsO5wBi2l7OOF7PjSPDrSumV1EVS NGbKiEYYy1KxyzWfusMSgo4IegF2szwyP7v16CDEWWL8+jd2Yzu15WvfOW/4OsFTzx rsT6MMQfqSiRg== To: uzibalqa From: uzibalqa Subject: Re: bug#64597: mode-line tool inaccessible when window width is small Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <83r0pb4xff.fsf@gnu.org> <83ilalemsr.fsf@gnu.org> Feedback-ID: 52887082:user:proton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 64597 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 64597@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) ------- Original Message ------- On Saturday, July 15th, 2023 at 11:23 PM, uzibalqa via "Bug reports for GNU= Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" wrote= : > ------- Original Message ------- > On Saturday, July 15th, 2023 at 6:00 PM, Eli Zaretskii eliz@gnu.org wrote= : >=20 >=20 >=20 > > tags 64597 notabug wontfix > > thanks > >=20 > > > Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2023 21:25:29 +0000 > > > From: uzibalqa uzibalqa@proton.me > > > Cc: 64597@debbugs.gnu.org > > >=20 > > > > > When a window is reduced in size I find no way to be able to use = the mode-line tools. > > > >=20 > > > > What do you mean by "mode-line tools", and how short does the > > > > mode-line have to be in order to see the problems you see? > > > >=20 > > > > IOW, please provide a complete recipe to reproduce this problem, > > > > starting from "emacs -Q", so that the problem and the way to reprod= uce > > > > it will be clear. > > > >=20 > > > > Thanks. > > >=20 > > > Suppose I have a bunch of self-defined minor modes displayed in the m= odeline, > > > where the lighters have the capability of showing menus (e.g. Outl). > > >=20 > > > Now, consider I need an accessible modeline (i.e. one with big font a= nd bold weight). > > > Reducing the frame or window width makes the lighters at the far end = of the modeline > > > inaccessible for use. > >=20 > > You can try setting mode-line-compact non-nil. If even that doesn't > > solve your problem because you make your frames too narrow, or have > > too many minor mode lighters active at the same time, then there's > > nothing else Emacs can do: the fact that the mode line is a single > > screen line is currently a hard restriction in the design of the Emacs > > display, and so extra mode-line elements are truncated on display. >=20 >=20 > The compact setting replaces multiple spaces with a single space. It does > not really solve the problem. >=20 > Wontfix is not a good decision. Changes window sizes is a very common > occurrence. Having a hard restriction on the mode-line is quite bad desig= n > to continue working with. Especially when package-defined and self-define= d > minor modes are becoming quite common. =20 Could there be a way to move the lighters around ? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 15 08:52:27 2023 Received: (at 64597) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2023 12:52:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44334 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qKel9-0004ak-Ko for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Jul 2023 08:52:27 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35314) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qKel6-0004aT-UT for 64597@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Jul 2023 08:52:26 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qKel1-00021R-Ez; Sat, 15 Jul 2023 08:52:19 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=uzhH5/mrEP+xWmBBQcfMp3v+HFlvKciw9qaeK7ovgaM=; b=k/krPZmDWr4b TLP7+eTf8NkA1SMdT8lHrVSiwc8wANg/Al1xJ1ZimuBvq1zmEUI7Cg2ABg/R+AWgKsemW1Df+03Pg 7fCjRiL3JvYgvjjzoqiyVvPOaa0Rm+HRh1jMhfdkvMTaA3Gi7oVLLVHoQ26Q6hWvFSLmN6EdTWr4Q 3tjKXYYUiltksd4PkUjtkWINGnZ8QDEQW1cYJYXNb+4B8M3Bf87yNIlLlz9wQmYODOY69Wd7OzcPd HQX4mNWysC/nfi19arPQbpwVIH3l+yq96m5yUgkMWARvjaKYh4g9Dqe4HzF7A6rLuEiHbGuCvTqSC qFQ28UOixOUsWSO/X9MBtg==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qKel0-0003fV-VM; Sat, 15 Jul 2023 08:52:19 -0400 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2023 15:52:40 +0300 Message-Id: <83zg3xbalj.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: uzibalqa In-Reply-To: (message from uzibalqa on Sat, 15 Jul 2023 11:41:59 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#64597: mode-line tool inaccessible when window width is small References: <83r0pb4xff.fsf@gnu.org> <83ilalemsr.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 64597 Cc: 64597@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2023 11:41:59 +0000 > From: uzibalqa > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 64597@debbugs.gnu.org > > Could there be a way to move the lighters around ? There already is: you can change mode-line-format to show the minor modes at the beginning of the mode line. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 15 10:10:56 2023 Received: (at 64597) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2023 14:10:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45680 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qKfz6-00072v-3v for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Jul 2023 10:10:56 -0400 Received: from mail-40137.protonmail.ch ([185.70.40.137]:18205) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qKfz0-00072f-SZ for 64597@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Jul 2023 10:10:54 -0400 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2023 14:10:38 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=protonmail; t=1689430244; x=1689689444; bh=lqlAlT72CaDm9qt93kS1b/EBNvOdMjhv7Iz/e/Wq5NY=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=mrP2MXXGpxHpxvHQ/DzLFgDHgaGU3lSc/IEr4vaoogcGCH4taJkBLPzB9DCAHREAD mr37NnoHKwbDp+nZPlA/J5SYApn3McvIyMnKGdy+x2Mg8/XcbWfFs6HPCyRZPzkxIt dnbgseVFirlpRpxQ0yn+QLf0Ll73osCGSSNszQruToGLvC1CF+JIWmbFV5AXKPlr3y bVuwU8kKmhwqIyuEtvU/lf9b9RW+1/jvSt5SSlQoJuX01uGPTe79yyx6S1J2kmNdq8 96k4jKpTuVJH0INYhQo/vBXgN0KW0TLFCAVJ+S215OAkNZet+ekxmQXYY7F3/ptS3U Qg7YNnuLkfQyA== To: Eli Zaretskii From: uzibalqa Subject: Re: bug#64597: mode-line tool inaccessible when window width is small Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <83zg3xbalj.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83r0pb4xff.fsf@gnu.org> <83ilalemsr.fsf@gnu.org> <83zg3xbalj.fsf@gnu.org> Feedback-ID: 52887082:user:proton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 64597 Cc: 64597@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) ------- Original Message ------- On Sunday, July 16th, 2023 at 12:52 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2023 11:41:59 +0000 > > From: uzibalqa uzibalqa@proton.me > > Cc: Eli Zaretskii eliz@gnu.org, 64597@debbugs.gnu.org > >=20 > > Could there be a way to move the lighters around ? >=20 >=20 > There already is: you can change mode-line-format to show the minor > modes at the beginning of the mode line. I do not think one has control on the order of the minor modes because they are run-time dependent. Perhaps the list of lighters could be used to allow user to change the order. Although I used mode-line-format playing with it is not a speedy task. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 15 10:44:33 2023 Received: (at 64597) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2023 14:44:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45724 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qKgVd-0007uN-98 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Jul 2023 10:44:33 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44872) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qKgVa-0007u9-L0 for 64597@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Jul 2023 10:44:32 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qKgVU-0006yZ-3M; Sat, 15 Jul 2023 10:44:24 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=Cho2JfjbjH8b7ga0BvidlolqweXJEN/WuJWT1ehxJd4=; b=Jiba/vtb/J9D sl/3vPde+ifaBmpcgY1dJPlwqugode4EDx2A2UFjdFiIlgMkbTeTtTuVCbstZ3XeDA0rkLecZlpOG eR/Aau9gPcmME2hsTUoA427s0S6eddiPgg5PhQC50uQEJF+83y6wNHrMzlNwPBBLIzq3ytUtwo0U1 Sk5Q7NdoKZBcR1LV3F+z3pCfaOVGwZXBRki/wzrW/qUAmEwyU7634fSx5GoakhkAlAJ8FgLKLpFCI 29FZXHgscWrgsTEECWizAg8xtb2Tsa6WSe7oKrQyzkKJPOePvruxrmkhjyvjdtE0T4dLzGKaf6XVf DfP3NCgJJVJ6IZ6g5iQXkA==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qKgVT-0002Zg-Jm; Sat, 15 Jul 2023 10:44:23 -0400 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2023 17:44:44 +0300 Message-Id: <83v8elb5er.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: uzibalqa In-Reply-To: (message from uzibalqa on Sat, 15 Jul 2023 14:10:38 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#64597: mode-line tool inaccessible when window width is small References: <83r0pb4xff.fsf@gnu.org> <83ilalemsr.fsf@gnu.org> <83zg3xbalj.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 64597 Cc: 64597@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2023 14:10:38 +0000 > From: uzibalqa > Cc: 64597@debbugs.gnu.org > > > ------- Original Message ------- > On Sunday, July 16th, 2023 at 12:52 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > > > Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2023 11:41:59 +0000 > > > From: uzibalqa uzibalqa@proton.me > > > Cc: Eli Zaretskii eliz@gnu.org, 64597@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > > > Could there be a way to move the lighters around ? > > > > > > There already is: you can change mode-line-format to show the minor > > modes at the beginning of the mode line. > > > I do not think one has control on the order of the minor modes because > they are run-time dependent. I didn't mean to change the order of the modes, I meant to move the entire block of the minor modes more to the left. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 15 10:48:48 2023 Received: (at 64597) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2023 14:48:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45736 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qKgZk-00086E-H8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Jul 2023 10:48:48 -0400 Received: from mail-4318.protonmail.ch ([185.70.43.18]:25583) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qKgZh-00085m-Ce for 64597@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Jul 2023 10:48:46 -0400 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2023 14:48:22 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=fi32vc3n3bbgdk74aysub7ycwu.protonmail; t=1689432519; x=1689691719; bh=nX8J6uIL4fQ/qzwNmE3eV8zbwFiFQLX70GJ6DuczLcc=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=LBYpGMM11B+HZxGf8/A8jwqNEiimPRd9i+LC6YsIGclgyFpNgSvrhuB9NIQS8JsJl HQ46Q5nTIFBEXtZkOD5xEgdp46ARoKNRpkTyIvTHrXhumraOhJ2AEMlJbTmGrhQ/sf Ljf8Xm0d1k2+97NSqFEM0Fp4WBDmZHNJF4r6DwgpSuwO82oynkJlGo+QhyG06mlxzl NpbUeaQlmkj9o8iyINzgYyrGX5ChZ1fuwkClZ+spJA4l+y5SqARHVSwM8zoI0+lfhC 7AiIagGD6z3QPUe50XBQlJLeG/T6ARI4vUT4SW6a8J6wum+zWj6omBz7D9P1y1dj4c 79f2mjomsJRTw== To: Eli Zaretskii From: uzibalqa Subject: Re: bug#64597: mode-line tool inaccessible when window width is small Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <83v8elb5er.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83r0pb4xff.fsf@gnu.org> <83ilalemsr.fsf@gnu.org> <83zg3xbalj.fsf@gnu.org> <83v8elb5er.fsf@gnu.org> Feedback-ID: 52887082:user:proton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 64597 Cc: 64597@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) ------- Original Message ------- On Sunday, July 16th, 2023 at 2:44 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2023 14:10:38 +0000 > > From: uzibalqa uzibalqa@proton.me > > Cc: 64597@debbugs.gnu.org > >=20 > > ------- Original Message ------- > > On Sunday, July 16th, 2023 at 12:52 AM, Eli Zaretskii eliz@gnu.org wrot= e: > >=20 > > > > Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2023 11:41:59 +0000 > > > > From: uzibalqa uzibalqa@proton.me > > > > Cc: Eli Zaretskii eliz@gnu.org, 64597@debbugs.gnu.org > > > >=20 > > > > Could there be a way to move the lighters around ? > > >=20 > > > There already is: you can change mode-line-format to show the minor > > > modes at the beginning of the mode line. > >=20 > > I do not think one has control on the order of the minor modes because > > they are run-time dependent. >=20 >=20 > I didn't mean to change the order of the modes, I meant to move the > entire block of the minor modes more to the left. That's all one can do. The result is that one is still unable to access the lighters on the far right side. From unknown Sat Aug 09 15:57:33 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 11:24:09 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator