From unknown Thu Aug 14 21:50:02 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#64520 <64520@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#64520 <64520@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: Cursor type, fill-column, and ruler numbering Reply-To: bug#64520 <64520@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2025 04:50:02 +0000 retitle 64520 Cursor type, fill-column, and ruler numbering reassign 64520 emacs submitter 64520 uzibalqa severity 64520 normal thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 07 15:05:08 2023 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jul 2023 19:05:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43747 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qHqlQ-0001KT-1p for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2023 15:05:08 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:56496) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qHqlL-0001KF-TF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2023 15:05:06 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qHqlL-00072F-NS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2023 15:05:03 -0400 Received: from mail-4324.protonmail.ch ([185.70.43.24]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qHqlE-0003cZ-PV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2023 15:05:03 -0400 Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2023 19:04:42 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=protonmail; t=1688756694; x=1689015894; bh=khiB8OfKKsLN84NqGOQpA3NmG0vhu1G49ap1xDsqhPk=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date: Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID:Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=ByvqdBKMiE31Zx8bDMCHnBv2VzInwYvnUvf3ubXN5h/9xU91v5/8oQy1uPC1gJgjI lnlOo2CgosXHqExoTzFfRcpURDqLZLXMDQTMGVEnh2B8Hsh3NdYtTLSOel/BGqRJgC mELbImCNSlkVuMCrnl9uQCxnU7xg2VI4fcptXRSRBj4+6wA7ol/IMgOmep0mGKWfst zfB+FyyWPrRN33byADXBdV3LIvYw/Vhha3mS/CnnRGHkUkwsKg7cV7SO+fzJCPE2Sx cX57OjL2XUJXolI0aXg0dt1v977P77CWO3WLUX7j0o7YohsEmYCi7sjmbhmFdYGflG 9e2Gv/yg4k+VA== To: "bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" From: uzibalqa Subject: Cursor type, fill-column, and ruler numbering Message-ID: Feedback-ID: 52887082:user:proton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.70.43.24; envelope-from=uzibalqa@proton.me; helo=mail-4324.protonmail.ch X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, T_SPF_TEMPERROR=0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) I have set fill-column to 72. When I write in the buffer, I get a change in the background colour upon reaching 72 when looking at the ruler. There is a shift of 1 in the ruler because the ruler starts at 0. But when using a block cursor, it looks like one is at column 0, rather than column 1. Could the ruler have the ability to be changed so that=20 it starts at 1 ? Because one can use either a line or a block for the=20 cursor, there can be a different interpretation about column numbers. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 07 15:15:41 2023 Received: (at 64520) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jul 2023 19:15:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43754 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qHqvc-0001YW-6m for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2023 15:15:41 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:56754) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qHqvP-0001YA-H8 for 64520@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2023 15:15:39 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qHqvK-0003qh-41; Fri, 07 Jul 2023 15:15:22 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=65GpuVA2tZ2iVEmkNrtRLdhNyV+0N6r3P6D4gL1Pwb0=; b=rr0oaA5JpDfU rVdWccpmw9x6Wkn2o3lO5dmof3BCtHWbPF+TRGR3oNFHHE3KHhggRm449kpeR8sLpEgkk1gTKBekq VvG7BnEjDE5P8o+NwOrvDBkXmEVP10FuDXN5HIO4lR3jN2svaXwvoRoQqtmBmK6ATgNLvnfIz9SGN clbbmY3ny9nmPwXX/LdaNvrISXF4hJpag+/KFnWsnIVfJxgWNKdL49weDaR7SrFTQy4jiE7nS1625 LufRtFGLYX9po9DUBE5fs+zJzPR4D2nNIzDJ0hGHSETPnAi/2GduY/SSd8J3cD6nhUjceD+uulAi4 mCkkNPeNtZfm7l20NP4++A==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qHqvJ-0006WZ-Jo; Fri, 07 Jul 2023 15:15:21 -0400 Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2023 22:15:24 +0300 Message-Id: <83ilavedo3.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: uzibalqa In-Reply-To: (bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org) Subject: Re: bug#64520: Cursor type, fill-column, and ruler numbering References: X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 64520 Cc: 64520@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2023 19:04:42 +0000 > From: uzibalqa via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, > the Swiss army knife of text editors" > > I have set fill-column to 72. > > When I write in the buffer, I get a change in the background colour > upon reaching 72 when looking at the ruler. There is a shift of 1 > in the ruler because the ruler starts at 0. > > But when using a block cursor, it looks like one is at column 0, rather > than column 1. Could the ruler have the ability to be changed so that > it starts at 1 ? Because one can use either a line or a block for the > cursor, there can be a different interpretation about column numbers. The ruler shows columns, so it starts with zero. If it would start from 1, it would be inconsistent and confusing. I see no reason to make such not useful changes in Emacs. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 07 15:30:15 2023 Received: (at 64520) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jul 2023 19:30:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43773 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qHr9j-0001un-6O for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2023 15:30:15 -0400 Received: from mail-40138.protonmail.ch ([185.70.40.138]:45367) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qHr9f-0001tU-IZ for 64520@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2023 15:30:13 -0400 Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2023 19:30:01 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=protonmail; t=1688758205; x=1689017405; bh=zzbZY+ueJHSZ9ZcmPveajFeK7PDfZ6bRX564lZglUFw=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=ddKpOBZKeR4pX/fcL6VuJAL3O7vrUCXqpUzoJ2SHSLj8GfuQtbFza7vpHDMcECEVF BR7LCTRGRzFs8jCg2Jel5te9JvvnGRPn2rE0tqBXuz6R+iWtwCAR+66gPGamt8ExEC 3pP9SSJO3BgFFVbGihZFIMgu6KTNDBc05Kgx8Wn9o0DoCGjt9gZHIrUwzc/Ry5x3ou puoxXJu9r60wd4+HbV1LCbp6V8p6yDGXX2Me5iHBzSe67ZBC9b3ca70+yr4rCHy5NV Kbc7TWVFymx9wQ9Srm/Fjz0m0YSnRQrnG2E6W7BHe9vVzcaKv9TMQjky3YJC2rSxib 9ro6vIjAEA4CQ== To: Eli Zaretskii From: uzibalqa Subject: Re: bug#64520: Cursor type, fill-column, and ruler numbering Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <83ilavedo3.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83ilavedo3.fsf@gnu.org> Feedback-ID: 52887082:user:proton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 64520 Cc: 64520@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) ------- Original Message ------- On Saturday, July 8th, 2023 at 7:15 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2023 19:04:42 +0000 > > From: uzibalqa via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, > > the Swiss army knife of text editors" bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > >=20 > > I have set fill-column to 72. > >=20 > > When I write in the buffer, I get a change in the background colour > > upon reaching 72 when looking at the ruler. There is a shift of 1 > > in the ruler because the ruler starts at 0. > >=20 > > But when using a block cursor, it looks like one is at column 0, rather > > than column 1. Could the ruler have the ability to be changed so that > > it starts at 1 ? Because one can use either a line or a block for the > > cursor, there can be a different interpretation about column numbers. >=20 >=20 > The ruler shows columns, so it starts with zero. If it would start > from 1, it would be inconsistent and confusing. I see no reason to > make such not useful changes in Emacs. It is confusing if the cursor is a blinking block and the column ruler is= =20 showing a value 'N'. The reason is that the number fills the region of a cursor block, and one thinks that the cursor block is at column N. Could there be something else based on numbering columns rather than as a r= uler that starts from 0. Could be a feature of ruler to specify column numbers = instead.