From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jun 16 15:23:35 2010 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jun 2010 19:23:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OOyD1-0000PW-3R for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:23:35 -0400 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OOyA1-0000Nw-VC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:20:30 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:37276) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OOy9x-0005Dt-LA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:20:25 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=45730 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OOy9v-0003F2-Jm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:20:25 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OOy9t-0005Ru-Ps for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:20:23 -0400 Received: from smtp.andrew.cmu.edu ([128.2.11.96]:40481) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OOy9t-0005Rh-MT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:20:21 -0400 Received: from Woaaahdudelike.local (S0106000a95700fd8.gv.shawcable.net [24.68.134.64]) (user=sabetts mech=PLAIN (0 bits)) by smtp.andrew.cmu.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o5GJKAVp022258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:20:18 -0400 From: Shawn Betts To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 23.2; password-cache and smtpmail useless default Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 12:20:09 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-PMX-Version: 5.5.9.388399, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2010.4.9.4220 X-SMTP-Spam-Clean: 8% ( SUPERLONG_LINE 0.05, RDNS_POOLED 0, RDNS_SUSP 0, RDNS_SUSP_SPECIFIC 0, TO_NO_NAME 0, __CP_MEDIA_BODY 0, __CT 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __PHISH_SPEAR_PASSWORD_1 0, __RDNS_POOLED_2 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __TO_MALFORMED_2 0) X-SMTP-Spam-Score: 8% X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.60 on 128.2.11.96 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:23:34 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) The default value for password-cache-expiry is 16 seconds. smtpmail uses password-cache to save the password. However, since it expires 16 seconds after its cached it never functionally stores my password. The next time I send an email I always have to enter my password which doesn't seem right. Obviously, I just set my password-cache-expiry to nil to fix the problem but it strikes me that 16 seconds is a useless default for smtpmail. Perhaps password-cache-add should have an optional cache-expiry-override variable. In GNU Emacs 23.2.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin, NS apple-appkit-1038.29) of 2010-05-08 on black.local Windowing system distributor `Apple', version 10.3.949 configured using `configure '--host=x86_64-apple-darwin' '--build=i686-apple-darwin' '--with-ns' 'build_alias=i686-apple-darwin' 'host_alias=x86_64-apple-darwin' 'CC=gcc -mmacosx-version-min=10.5'' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: nil value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: nil default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Emacs-Lisp Minor modes in effect: shell-dirtrack-mode: t show-paren-mode: t iswitchb-mode: t tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: C-n C-n C-x C-e C-x o C-M-a C-M-a C-M-a C-l C-p C-n M-f M-f M-f C-M-b C-SPC C-M-f M-w C-x 4 b s c r C-x b . e m M-> ( s e t q SPC C-y SPC n i l ) C-a C-o ; ; SPC p a s s w o r d SPC c a c h i n g M-b M-b s m p t t p m a i l SPC u s e s SPC C-e SPC a n d SPC i t SPC d e f a u l s t t s SPC i n t o t o SPC 1 6 SPC s e c o n d s SPC w h i c h SPC i s SPC u s e l e s s . M-q C-a C-l C-n C-e C-x C-e M-> C-x C-s C-x b C-g C-x o C-x o C-g C-x m e m a c s M-x C-g C-x k y e s M-x r e p o r t - e m Recent messages: nil Mark set [3 times] nil "hi" [2 times] Mark set [4 times] nil Mark set Saving file /Users/sabetts/.emacs... 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7 Jan 2012 05:35:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47510 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RjOwX-0004oG-4Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 00:35:49 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:57416) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RjOwR-0004ny-0r for 6441@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 00:35:45 -0500 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RjOwJ-0002sY-CZ; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 06:35:35 +0100 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Shawn Betts Subject: Re: bug#6441: 23.2; password-cache and smtpmail useless default References: X-Now-Playing: Fennesz, Sakamoto's _Flumina (2)_: "0428" Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 06:35:34 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Shawn Betts's message of "Wed, 16 Jun 2010 12:20:09 -0700") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1RjOwJ-0002sY-CZ X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1326519335.57518@DRUNdeRLGrFIo/jcxWLm7w X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 6441 Cc: 6441@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Shawn Betts writes: > The default value for password-cache-expiry is 16 seconds. smtpmail uses > password-cache to save the password. However, since it expires 16 > seconds after its cached it never functionally stores my password. The > next time I send an email I always have to enter my password which > doesn't seem right. > > Obviously, I just set my password-cache-expiry to nil to fix the problem > but it strikes me that 16 seconds is a useless default for > smtpmail. Perhaps password-cache-add should have an optional > cache-expiry-override variable. smtpmail no longer uses password-cache and friends, but uses auth-source instead, so this is no longer a problem in Emacs 24. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 07 00:35:50 2012 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jan 2012 05:35:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47512 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RjOwX-0004oJ-EW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 00:35:50 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:57422) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RjOwT-0004o2-P0 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 00:35:46 -0500 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RjOwN-0002sp-RU for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 06:35:39 +0100 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 06:35:39 +0100 Message-Id: To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #6441 X-MailScanner-ID: 1RjOwN-0002sp-RU X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1326519339.95486@zGBPorzJ+968Yb1anNnGhg X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) tags 6441 fixed close 6441 24.1 From unknown Wed Jun 25 00:23:49 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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