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can be closed now.=0A= =0A= (I wonder if we can treat ~/.emacs.d/.dir-locals.el specially, or tell=0A= Emacs which files can be treated specially -- enable read-circle.)= From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jun 25 11:08:13 2023 Received: (at 64281) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jun 2023 15:08:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43256 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qDRLV-0002vW-U4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2023 11:08:13 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:40966) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qDRLU-0002vH-PE for 64281@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2023 11:08:09 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qDRLO-0004Jl-R8; Sun, 25 Jun 2023 11:08:02 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; 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charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 64281 Cc: 64281@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Shynur Xie > Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2023 13:53:30 +0000 > msip_labels: > > It seems that this is a intentional behavior: > > : > > > For additional safety, read-circle is temporarily bound to nil when > > Emacs reads file-local variables. > > No further question; can be closed now. > > (I wonder if we can treat ~/.emacs.d/.dir-locals.el specially, or tell > Emacs which files can be treated specially -- enable read-circle.) Stefan, any comments before we close this? 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If you want to do better, you can use an actual ELisp file. 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can be closed now. > >> > >> (I wonder if we can treat ~/.emacs.d/.dir-locals.el specially, or tell > >> Emacs which files can be treated specially -- enable read-circle.) > > > > Stefan, any comments before we close this? >=20 > file/dir-local variables are dangerous enough as it is, I think. If you > want to do better, you can use an actual ELisp file. 1. That Elisp manual node (`File Local Variables') doesn't say what danger is avoided by disabling `read-circle', but it seems to suggest that that danger is pointed out in node `Read Syntax for Circular Objects': For additional safety, read-circle is temporarily bound to nil when Emacs reads file-local variables (see Input Functions). This prevents the Lisp reader from recognizing circular and shared Lisp structures (see Read Syntax for Circular Objects). Yes, that's what it does, but why? What's the "additional safety" about? What danger's involved? Node `Read Syntax for Circular Objects' says nothing about any possible danger (security/safety problem) circular objects can introduce. Can we please say something about the danger in that node? 2. Wouldn't it make sense (be useful) to let users and code decide whether to allow this for particular file-local variables? A question from ignorance - see #1, above. Is it helpful to talk about danger and avoiding it, without giving readers some idea of what's involved? 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charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: PH0PR11MB7470.namprd11.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-RMS-PersistedConsumerOrg: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 25a1c4ca-68b7-4d0a-efc8-08db762f18db X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-rms-persistedconsumerorg: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 26 Jun 2023 10:21:25.5411 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 84df9e7f-e9f6-40af-b435-aaaaaaaaaaaa X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: CY8PR11MB7315 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 64281 Cc: "64281@debbugs.gnu.org" <64281@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) To: Drew=0A= =0A= > drew> Node `Read Syntax for Circular Objects' says nothing about any=0A= > drew> possible danger (security/safety problem) circular objects can=0A= > drew> introduce.=0A= =0A= I guess that =93.dir-locals.el=94 _isn=92t_ read by ELisp syntax, so if you= =0A= visit a =93.dir-locals.el=94 file, Emacs will choose =93Lisp-Data mode=94 f= or=0A= it. And (info "(elisp)Circular Objects") _is_ about Elisp read=0A= syntax.=0A= =0A= > stefan> To: Eli=0A= > stefan> If you want to do better, you can use an actual ELisp file.=0A= ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^=0A= =0A= Seems like it is indeed not now, though uses a =93.el=94 postfix.=0A= =0A= ____________________=0A= =0A= To: ALL=0A= =0A= > drew> Wouldn't it make sense (be useful) to let users and code=0A= > drew> decide whether to allow this for particular file-local=0A= > drew> variables?=0A= =0A= Agree.=0A= =0A= There have already been numerous potential dangerous behaviors,=0A= perhaps one more won=92t make much of a difference. I think as long as=0A= users are provided with appropriate warnings, it should suffice. For=0A= instance, the following code snippet can cause Emacs to crash=0A= instantly, but we still shouldn=92t deprive users of their right to=0A= execute it:=0A= =0A= (clear-string (symbol-name t))=0A= =0A= Luckily, manual contains a corresponding warning.=0A= =0A= --=0A= shynur= From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jun 26 08:21:23 2023 Received: (at 64281-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Jun 2023 12:21:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44718 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qDlDf-0003mu-Hw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 26 Jun 2023 08:21:23 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44606) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qDlDd-0003mg-5O for 64281-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 26 Jun 2023 08:21:21 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qDlDX-0000lN-ID; Mon, 26 Jun 2023 08:21:15 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=i/PTTRYu1HOo5oRAUXBh+rxK8a1In1gL/4R/8H/1/RQ=; b=jfCPXtf3WVqlAxxM/HMJ vBX3NPn2weudO45Q6eVHJdvnrhZ01dmMto8PXTuxP+FDCLH9LK8IrWIYiEmaDl9v7DKUK1ZRoCf70 2GzHF++C7SErzfAD+y3r4m4phsgaJ/cCEoSSytXMQZtTDC5gKVsC/UGXTiO3KyXwtsYvIErIwrGVu SE5FwTfmgFH8ggSst6MLcAYZS/KUWWAA6YgEMOlSP2vEdwfrTy/dPl2yPaobT+8tzWIrBbedNiMmd kNcZdHCyEJfVYBPwFBRO07k9aFJ/TeRP2DYIr+n+wvm8wOTXmnQk965ZkfSWmS4KFTrybOTaF4B0Z qp2wovkdDR0+9w==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qDlDX-0003zU-1E; Mon, 26 Jun 2023 08:21:15 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2023 15:21:36 +0300 Message-Id: <83wmzqwh0v.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Monnier In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Sun, 25 Jun 2023 11:46:13 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#64281: [Feature Request] Recognize =?utf-8?B?4oCcI+KAnQ==?= syntax References: <83jzvry3yy.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 64281-done Cc: one.last.kiss@outlook.com, 64281-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: Shynur Xie , 64281@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2023 11:46:13 -0400 > > >> It seems that this is a intentional behavior: > >> > >> : > >> > >> > For additional safety, read-circle is temporarily bound to nil when > >> > Emacs reads file-local variables. > >> > >> No further question; can be closed now. > >> > >> (I wonder if we can treat ~/.emacs.d/.dir-locals.el specially, or tell > >> Emacs which files can be treated specially -- enable read-circle.) > > > > Stefan, any comments before we close this? > > file/dir-local variables are dangerous enough as it is, I think. If you > want to do better, you can use an actual ELisp file. Agreed. From unknown Sat Jun 14 04:54:10 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2023 11:24:05 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator