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Sat, 17 Jun 2023 18:17:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Samuel Wales Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2023 18:17:00 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::131; envelope-from=samologist@gmail.com; helo=mail-lf1-x131.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) i upgraded to 27.1 and found that type-break is asking me about breaks as follows: when it asks in minibuffer - point is in another window, requiring focus, changing point, and tending to type-break - home or page up key puts point at beg of message, where it will not accept a reply - it is generally more high-maintenane to get it to do a type-break or to get it to postpone it - it seems to arrive in the wrong place or at the wrong instant more [this is subjective and please ignore if nonsensical] apologies for bad bug report. perhaps it will trigger a memory of a code change or changelog/diff will make it obvious. -- The Kafka Pandemic A blog about science, health, human rights, and misopathy: https://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:26:55 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#64141: 27.1 newly has clunky type-break y-or-n-p Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2023 07:27:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 64141 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Samuel Wales Cc: 64141@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 64141-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B64141.168707318511390 (code B ref 64141); 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Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qAmnh-00036b-GZ; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 03:26:17 -0400 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2023 10:26:19 +0300 Message-Id: <83a5wxp6xw.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Samuel Wales on Sat, 17 Jun 2023 18:17:00 -0700) References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Samuel Wales > Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2023 18:17:00 -0700 > > i upgraded to 27.1 and found that type-break is asking me about breaks > as follows: Which version of Emacs did you have installed before the upgrade? Was type-break working differently/better in that older version? > when it asks in minibuffer > > - point is in another window, requiring focus, changing point, and > tending to type-break > - home or page up key puts point at beg of message, where it will not > accept a reply > - it is generally more high-maintenane to get it to do a type-break or > to get it to postpone it > - it seems to arrive in the wrong place or at the wrong instant more > [this is subjective and please ignore if nonsensical] > > apologies for bad bug report. perhaps it will trigger a memory of a > code change or changelog/diff will make it obvious. I don't see any significant changes in type-break.el since Emacs 26.1. But maybe I missed something, so please try to provide a more detailed recipe to reproduce the problems, preferably starting from "emacs -Q", so that we could understand the problems and fix them if necessary. Thanks. From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:26:55 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#64141: 27.1 newly has clunky type-break y-or-n-p Resent-From: Samuel Wales Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2023 23:56:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 64141 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 64141@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 64141-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B64141.168713254512205 (code B ref 64141); Sun, 18 Jun 2023 23:56:02 +0000 Received: (at 64141) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jun 2023 23:55:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55243 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qB2FF-0003An-DZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 19:55:45 -0400 Received: from mail-lf1-f47.google.com ([209.85.167.47]:38042) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qB2FD-0003AY-HX for 64141@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 19:55:44 -0400 Received: by mail-lf1-f47.google.com with SMTP id 2adb3069b0e04-4f843f3f610so649542e87.0 for <64141@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 16:55:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1687132537; x=1689724537; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=leAib6QC+wxWV8RNqBY4FfbeSvkQlESSzi9KSo27Cs4=; b=nGq35jsI0vEgslzsJL+5DgvbbhqVXRAX6uDt1mZQd4kqb6FO8YtO8Soc0eNcjgCymW QCm/z3bdBWXkSCTyF/jmYFwebf3uk/XQAm+Pf+JZD5O2qE+6AHgPmg8WzrbuI9zDg8mF cd7ZVwP3mxuEKqOA+uhl21yAp2wl+rG9oF2PEUwJRGo9V95hsiOfNtP03N/sEt3Dyboz zodnMiXBaFEpISxMnKJNIkrhJc6/lnKAUNMsI4+DrHHQFOhWXCFX0hpykRbMLQDdbolY dVIWVHx1S7gp1apvZIPb4pfxFCneDEZbdMDSSj7C3YX8bGsuKkcd/FaJg4CBRiBmdwee Sn+Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1687132537; x=1689724537; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=leAib6QC+wxWV8RNqBY4FfbeSvkQlESSzi9KSo27Cs4=; b=eseeneeepbW00sy3032+vyKKqAaMku8vfPgbTVGg93Y81ZfWCQwBnsXOnzRo9tQsKs UWZZeY9Uw5Ztn70I+QzF/vgyqSAZ/WfhF+8P6Ovs9FuzTTiiSL52jkOdu0lUUOCbZWAW efS7xaVAwxx35a49JVJSoVL95qp40OU84hJwqYd6gZVUY3KSNYdOB4FKOtemQ1GNDZAZ 9oKvrP2AQCil98pby9p2eqgz6tdjJYnR0FmZk0dvnSMzaPg35trrhS7yk0potG4Qnyg6 rY7kBttZKvDWZV3rZcFTNl4PtLs7S5nM5GDz17saW5KXQYlausC1XXrAFncZHPhkgrqG 5QGg== X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDxgMCflJNDuEAKIds1f3581Lzyb+X128ySMNoOyIBWfkvUsGKxr 1vTNpApsTlGbj4jgH+JKkBwADHvYHmmx5B0w3y0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ7f/ypIlFbQswscM3v/NiVsBH3v+xD/jqRk/RPtyyDOYK2KLxl6SwtyKvQFrVCPu36Mdcx30VsendwJVWRCGoA= X-Received: by 2002:ac2:4c24:0:b0:4e9:d613:503e with SMTP id u4-20020ac24c24000000b004e9d613503emr3382070lfq.6.1687132537147; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 16:55:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a05:6520:4390:b0:268:94be:fdc7 with HTTP; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 16:55:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83a5wxp6xw.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83a5wxp6xw.fsf@gnu.org> From: Samuel Wales Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2023 16:55:36 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) hi On 6/18/23, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Samuel Wales >> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2023 18:17:00 -0700 >> >> i upgraded to 27.1 and found that type-break is asking me about breaks >> as follows: > > Which version of Emacs did you have installed before the upgrade? > Was type-break working differently/better in that older version? it was working better [than 27.1] before 26.1 for certain. but idk if it was broken in 26.1. > I don't see any significant changes in type-break.el since Emacs 26.1. > But maybe I missed something, so please try to provide a more detailed > recipe to reproduce the problems, preferably starting from "emacs -Q", > so that we could understand the problems and fix them if necessary. it occurs frequently wihtout my brain making connections with the conditions under which it occurs, but if i can i will try paying attention to the conditions. i know it occurs when i get an appt notification and thus more than one window. for some reason i keep hitting home, which is set to move point to bob, but if at prompt [by chance?], then that just puts point at its bol and then y and n will not work, which makes type-break confuse me and require other-window, eol, etc. if i can i will try setting the vars to short delays and -Q. 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From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:26:55 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#64141: 27.1 newly has clunky type-break y-or-n-p Resent-From: Samuel Wales Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2023 22:01:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 64141 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 64141@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 64141-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B64141.168721204421370 (code B ref 64141); Mon, 19 Jun 2023 22:01:02 +0000 Received: (at 64141) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jun 2023 22:00:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57470 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qBMvU-0005Yc-1A for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Jun 2023 18:00:44 -0400 Received: from mail-lf1-f42.google.com ([209.85.167.42]:38001) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qBMvR-0005YO-LX for 64141@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Jun 2023 18:00:42 -0400 Received: by mail-lf1-f42.google.com with SMTP id 2adb3069b0e04-4f843f3f610so941496e87.0 for <64141@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 19 Jun 2023 15:00:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1687212036; x=1689804036; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=VoT5MuO9Ts1E21h3nEfG0DTq4sUdOTocmtKOXqhG1E0=; b=Xjpi8IG5ea4l2uJzAEPRDg99riaN2BZgCvN6+HMP8EY+n3nWcUX5Um/mzpmMEw760/ doyPhOU8rl+YFqjxPBnvqmMb/0StLJgEvOpMYdE3Q/7VD/MuDafyS9mckjYDAPcWFP/7 OO0Zfi3tnhQeW3tkSJD2cMdTR8VDG5pXu3C9ybNGbEQin1PC2pngqReRtOS6usyBEG9R xszRW3xTKOxUdI0JwxQNNwDrQyOsAfUKx98SZf2leIqpevRJOgqMmWiTr5YE7bR6Pqbv pbyQkSIJRV+pUMI80v2JLQsREar5blVLTxIwZOLPF5dm8yhlSx/90YXkOTKhTQ6EkDlh tj2w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1687212036; x=1689804036; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=VoT5MuO9Ts1E21h3nEfG0DTq4sUdOTocmtKOXqhG1E0=; b=PDwMVjR75Ku41EpTTB1nfRLvnLcwIKrFbZ8WSIaYCY0S2xZ82Bi1qKWZyYII+Sm2mP 9dDvIVafDKXMuqW2Z5VVmL1QnXMfpTmkXAYNsz0DL/G9bduNvUdY2getw4UD+FlBmqpA /IBTvlIc5mNrQN0BBetrohXH9HL86gRR+QptFStHSIBpKbFtQu/j7vjAkVDdF42HU2fj 55MxpX0j8k1ndK4+43SSktoX47hKLV/T3LNxolQ71CN9/T0SCqEBV9Nbututqnezp4fb Oa3CIyjU6MAxR9Q+J5AKsfT4V75uM52zmqZCLo366/CM9O5yP1SmDT++CMrv+w1Gawfv JsJA== X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDxSZBfeTUsMcfR4umUFbIskALrl8YUQhkYbrPo+z+up4iHOyolH iFMyHvMR8onl0jrLjNDREHMBqqh7tcnKQTLIDs8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ7Brrlwss6nMMR+moc15L+kSstMR2VJVo7h0quu6Zx5Ay/L2+Ve0q86nrRxP81ijBrSuEt4yrpKVwWJl6fwp/o= X-Received: by 2002:ac2:5214:0:b0:4f8:67df:afd6 with SMTP id a20-20020ac25214000000b004f867dfafd6mr2375929lfl.5.1687212035383; Mon, 19 Jun 2023 15:00:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a05:6520:4390:b0:268:94be:fdc7 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Jun 2023 15:00:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <83a5wxp6xw.fsf@gnu.org> From: Samuel Wales Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2023 15:00:34 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) just now in normal usage, the y-or-n-p popped up in the middle of an isearch. point was in the middle of hte isearch still. it was not trivial to answer the y-or-n-p (point not there) and fix state. On 6/18/23, Samuel Wales wrote: > i used 26.1 only briefly, soon upgrading to 27.1 because i had access to > both. > -- The Kafka Pandemic A blog about science, health, human rights, and misopathy: https://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:26:55 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#64141: 27.1 newly has clunky type-break y-or-n-p Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2023 07:02:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 64141 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Samuel Wales Cc: 64141@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 64141-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B64141.168724447014271 (code B ref 64141); Tue, 20 Jun 2023 07:02:02 +0000 Received: (at 64141) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jun 2023 07:01:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57867 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qBVMT-0003i7-Os for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Jun 2023 03:01:09 -0400 Received: from relay8-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.201]:41293) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qBVMS-0003ho-Ki for 64141@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Jun 2023 03:01:09 -0400 X-GND-Sasl: juri@linkov.net X-GND-Sasl: juri@linkov.net X-GND-Sasl: juri@linkov.net Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EE0891BF208; Tue, 20 Jun 2023 07:01:01 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov In-Reply-To: (Samuel Wales's message of "Mon, 19 Jun 2023 15:00:34 -0700") Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <83a5wxp6xw.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2023 09:57:51 +0300 Message-ID: <86y1ker574.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/30.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > just now in normal usage, the y-or-n-p popped up in the middle of an isearch. > > point was in the middle of hte isearch still. it was not trivial to > answer the y-or-n-p (point not there) and fix state. Reading type-break.el raised some questions: please confirm does the same problem occur after using the default value of 'type-break-query-function' that is 'yes-or-no-p', and not 'y-or-n-p'? It looks like type-break uses 'run-at-time' and then tries to call 'y-or-n-p' in the middle of an isearch. I tried both (run-with-timer 5 5 #'yes-or-no-p "OK? ") (run-with-timer 5 5 #'y-or-n-p "OK? ") and activated isearch. Then the typed answer was added to the search string. Emacs 28 has an option 'y-or-n-p-use-read-key' that you can set for type-break that pops up the query at random times. But the problem still exists for 'yes-or-no-p'. From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:26:55 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#64141: 27.1 newly has clunky type-break y-or-n-p Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2023 11:48:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 64141 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Juri Linkov Cc: 64141@debbugs.gnu.org, samologist@gmail.com Received: via spool by 64141-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B64141.168726162621337 (code B ref 64141); Tue, 20 Jun 2023 11:48:01 +0000 Received: (at 64141) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jun 2023 11:47:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58220 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qBZpB-0005Y5-SI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Jun 2023 07:47:06 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:46108) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qBZpA-0005Xa-09 for 64141@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Jun 2023 07:47:04 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qBZp4-0004sC-05; Tue, 20 Jun 2023 07:46:58 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=E++Um7cEQa33xMB77rJI+G2Zr8RF1wIWlwZHGdL+ZM4=; b=dZ/V6Jdsjw+i aTrcq6VBNvptz8CTd41JsQrrTUZ8u4GNQr6CwcP+GnrUAjXHHSWgH5lwR7FykKDxMQLvz1pa8KNN2 VlOJfkTy9Q4vU0tjrxjypYkKg9BgcGuqM7VB85pr3AKDI4H1yzrPknc8Ra/LDYOpiTly/UeAACO+5 rjhz6kH+scwomo7ygjEN4zjQP2IW96UJq+SbnkLIFBgDIgsjWBDSY9bnwmW4UJm4tUs55zfd3j30l GVZcdV/pxRa4wcduerzVFK6FD7jAM+jyFDe4vdP0RpFvXauRkp5Y69jbxX3yseaMLTZiiRM0Aher+ b7wsg9zXdfnGPMVKYxs8OA==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qBZp3-0004Z1-GM; Tue, 20 Jun 2023 07:46:57 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2023 14:47:04 +0300 Message-Id: <834jn273uv.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <86y1ker574.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (message from Juri Linkov on Tue, 20 Jun 2023 09:57:51 +0300) References: <83a5wxp6xw.fsf@gnu.org> <86y1ker574.fsf@mail.linkov.net> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Juri Linkov > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 64141@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2023 09:57:51 +0300 > > > just now in normal usage, the y-or-n-p popped up in the middle of an isearch. > > > > point was in the middle of hte isearch still. it was not trivial to > > answer the y-or-n-p (point not there) and fix state. > > Reading type-break.el raised some questions: please confirm does the same > problem occur after using the default value of 'type-break-query-function' > that is 'yes-or-no-p', and not 'y-or-n-p'? > > It looks like type-break uses 'run-at-time' and then tries to > call 'y-or-n-p' in the middle of an isearch. I tried both > > (run-with-timer 5 5 #'yes-or-no-p "OK? ") > (run-with-timer 5 5 #'y-or-n-p "OK? ") > > and activated isearch. Then the typed answer was added > to the search string. Emacs 28 has an option > 'y-or-n-p-use-read-key' that you can set for type-break > that pops up the query at random times. But the problem > still exists for 'yes-or-no-p'. Is this a new problem? That is, did we have this working OK in some previous version of Emacs? If so, which version had it right? From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:26:55 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#64141: 27.1 newly has clunky type-break y-or-n-p Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2023 16:53:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 64141 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 64141@debbugs.gnu.org, samologist@gmail.com Received: via spool by 64141-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B64141.16872799348747 (code B ref 64141); Tue, 20 Jun 2023 16:53:01 +0000 Received: (at 64141) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jun 2023 16:52:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59676 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qBeaT-0002H1-PO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Jun 2023 12:52:14 -0400 Received: from relay7-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.200]:55863) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qBeaS-0002Go-7Q for 64141@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Jun 2023 12:52:12 -0400 X-GND-Sasl: juri@linkov.net X-GND-Sasl: juri@linkov.net X-GND-Sasl: juri@linkov.net Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 881A020009; Tue, 20 Jun 2023 16:52:05 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov In-Reply-To: <834jn273uv.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 20 Jun 2023 14:47:04 +0300") Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <83a5wxp6xw.fsf@gnu.org> <86y1ker574.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <834jn273uv.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2023 19:46:48 +0300 Message-ID: <86pm5qqee7.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/30.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) >> (run-with-timer 5 5 #'yes-or-no-p "OK? ") >> >> and activated isearch. Then the typed answer was added >> to the search string. Emacs 28 has an option >> 'y-or-n-p-use-read-key' that you can set for type-break >> that pops up the query at random times. But the problem >> still exists for 'yes-or-no-p'. > > Is this a new problem? That is, did we have this working OK in some > previous version of Emacs? If so, which version had it right? This never worked in isearch: (run-with-timer 5 5 #'yes-or-no-p "OK? ") The patch to support this case was proposed in bug#62032. From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:26:55 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#64141: 27.1 newly has clunky type-break y-or-n-p Resent-From: Samuel Wales Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2023 22:45:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 64141 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 64141@debbugs.gnu.org, Juri Linkov Received: via spool by 64141-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B64141.16873010966305 (code B ref 64141); Tue, 20 Jun 2023 22:45:01 +0000 Received: (at 64141) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jun 2023 22:44:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60131 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qBk5o-0001dd-9k for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Jun 2023 18:44:56 -0400 Received: from mail-lf1-f52.google.com ([209.85.167.52]:41202) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qBk5l-0001dP-Ae for 64141@debbugs.gnu.org; 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bh=myird7loY3fzbT35yrsIDoPhF7hBb4i/X4dBWqdY6qQ=; b=B+rmf+qHI5WonibS5CtiI9ljmfF9mo2jGOtCb3HvUOXsL3BgAFzElMCq4FPeU4u1rC AYfv/i34w45Zhe6qfQNbGQsrdbaf/2D90qB8DqOPLQVwJi44gfgbB2GGVop0LRZPOE7s cRWr7qpofN/GDo/hQiN9AL6/qJvFpvjaBAh0CB3BHS/4fo/xSGFIrJv+cRa3vk/QukfZ H0dlHB60lMouIJhQ0XzMoXfjeA0g4dbkRneREnPfAo6TkGx6N4R0SeI2W41FfG3j+7j6 BYOvzYnp1w3I5F9IlaUS1+R1q2zkFuJWEo41mFJESuGo83VWG/rbVx0OKiJkCI/yDKc8 0ZPg== X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDw0Q2By3yMLJkS5WwlI7E73Z1NqFdnEVtrXBWEf7bZB4rH3yUCO 7vJiR93Vjt8v71Knu2MtkSpZ00XPWjKgckbWUy0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ63idVnI8/bWIywCKdwQfctAXY9ibF1MWYS4h5xRybYd2qnRu+/+iPrHcmkoOnTPzj8+Lb5iVJg5qkRFLlONkA= X-Received: by 2002:ac2:5101:0:b0:4f7:640c:1847 with SMTP id q1-20020ac25101000000b004f7640c1847mr6172021lfb.6.1687301086510; Tue, 20 Jun 2023 15:44:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a05:6520:2630:b0:268:94be:fdc7 with HTTP; Tue, 20 Jun 2023 15:44:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <834jn273uv.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83a5wxp6xw.fsf@gnu.org> <86y1ker574.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <834jn273uv.fsf@gnu.org> From: Samuel Wales Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2023 15:44:45 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) the clunkiness that i think of that has always been there is this, which might or might not be related: - if you are using the mouse when the query occurs, the query might be in the minibuffer. it should be in a dialog box. - if you are using the kb when the query occurs, the query might be a dialog box. it should be in the minibuffer. the reason is that i am almost always either in mouse mode or kb mode. switching causes impact on my system as i have to lift my arms, or drop one and possibly lift it again, which can be significantly problematic in my case for unrelated reasons. for isearch, i do not recall previous instances of it in v<=26.1. i was only on 26.1 briefly. 27.1 was a first that i recall. -- The Kafka Pandemic A blog about science, health, human rights, and misopathy: https://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:26:55 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#64141: 27.1 newly has clunky type-break y-or-n-p Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2023 06:23:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 64141 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Samuel Wales Cc: 64141@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 64141-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B64141.168732855028227 (code B ref 64141); Wed, 21 Jun 2023 06:23:02 +0000 Received: (at 64141) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jun 2023 06:22:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60317 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qBrEc-0007LD-9G for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Jun 2023 02:22:30 -0400 Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.198]:43507) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qBrEb-0007Ko-3c for 64141@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Jun 2023 02:22:29 -0400 X-GND-Sasl: juri@linkov.net X-GND-Sasl: juri@linkov.net X-GND-Sasl: juri@linkov.net Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3ACD8C0009; Wed, 21 Jun 2023 06:22:21 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov In-Reply-To: (Samuel Wales's message of "Tue, 20 Jun 2023 15:44:45 -0700") Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <83a5wxp6xw.fsf@gnu.org> <86y1ker574.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <834jn273uv.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2023 09:18:56 +0300 Message-ID: <864jn1wd67.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/30.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > the clunkiness that i think of that has always been there is this, > which might or might not be related: > > - if you are using the mouse when the query occurs, the query might > be in the minibuffer. it should be in a dialog box. > - if you are using the kb when the query occurs, the query might be > a dialog box. it should be in the minibuffer. > > the reason is that i am almost always either in mouse mode or kb mode. > switching causes impact on my system as i have to lift my arms, or > drop one and possibly lift it again, which can be significantly > problematic in my case for unrelated reasons. > > for isearch, i do not recall previous instances of it in v<=26.1. i > was only on 26.1 briefly. 27.1 was a first that i recall. Indeed, this is how it was supposed to work. But there is a regression in 29.0. When tried (run-with-timer 5 5 #'yes-or-no-p "OK? ") it pops up a dialog box in 26.3, 27.2, 28.2, but uses the minibuffer in 29.0. From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:26:55 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#64141: 27.1 newly has clunky type-break y-or-n-p Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2023 06:51:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 64141 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Samuel Wales Cc: 64141@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 64141-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B64141.168733025531655 (code B ref 64141); Wed, 21 Jun 2023 06:51:02 +0000 Received: (at 64141) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jun 2023 06:50:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60481 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qBrg7-0008EU-Bx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Jun 2023 02:50:55 -0400 Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.196]:56401) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qBrg5-0008EI-RZ for 64141@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Jun 2023 02:50:54 -0400 X-GND-Sasl: juri@linkov.net X-GND-Sasl: juri@linkov.net X-GND-Sasl: juri@linkov.net Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B85F8E0003; Wed, 21 Jun 2023 06:50:46 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov In-Reply-To: <864jn1wd67.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (Juri Linkov's message of "Wed, 21 Jun 2023 09:18:56 +0300") Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <83a5wxp6xw.fsf@gnu.org> <86y1ker574.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <834jn273uv.fsf@gnu.org> <864jn1wd67.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2023 09:49:05 +0300 Message-ID: <86ttv1ux5u.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/30.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) >> the clunkiness that i think of that has always been there is this, >> which might or might not be related: >> >> - if you are using the mouse when the query occurs, the query might >> be in the minibuffer. it should be in a dialog box. >> - if you are using the kb when the query occurs, the query might be >> a dialog box. it should be in the minibuffer. >> >> the reason is that i am almost always either in mouse mode or kb mode. >> switching causes impact on my system as i have to lift my arms, or >> drop one and possibly lift it again, which can be significantly >> problematic in my case for unrelated reasons. >> >> for isearch, i do not recall previous instances of it in v<=26.1. i >> was only on 26.1 briefly. 27.1 was a first that i recall. > > Indeed, this is how it was supposed to work. > But there is a regression in 29.0. > > When tried > > (run-with-timer 5 5 #'yes-or-no-p "OK? ") > > it pops up a dialog box in 26.3, 27.2, 28.2, > but uses the minibuffer in 29.0. Sorry, this is not a regression. It still pops up the dialog box when you are using a mouse. So I see no more problems. From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:26:55 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#64141: 27.1 newly has clunky type-break y-or-n-p Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2023 11:09:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 64141 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Juri Linkov Cc: 64141@debbugs.gnu.org, samologist@gmail.com Received: via spool by 64141-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B64141.16873457033316 (code B ref 64141); Wed, 21 Jun 2023 11:09:01 +0000 Received: (at 64141) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jun 2023 11:08:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60742 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qBvhG-0000rP-PK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Jun 2023 07:08:23 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:60284) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qBvhF-0000r6-2s for 64141@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Jun 2023 07:08:21 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qBvh9-00088z-Ff; Wed, 21 Jun 2023 07:08:15 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=4j4B/Aub1nwOS2oF5D8usc4vI9PFYupoTQN7b1Ql9kY=; b=EhiyuaklIJkK q2FmR2nvViCBKqbqv+48XmtmYTNbJUNBHzSbW72I6Pjnp3vrhepohEjNL1nafuURpay8Sc9jFuElu C0Dlgy3qtwOiAJP6i9O3QoqjVU4NoXhX6zqzHguXqcMTw4TocBkDyNn+vpqsSXvi22KNKu7HunfTS pj/K2KYnzP4DUz1Sq1/OxgEjS89V0sTAZf4GD+uBsSIwMW68XMBa0ywHpMsxJyKqHUSbrzgJmFn2b +AWwmmTczjIR+yTiBYY5Iq51xNJp2ZUUyAWA+prb+x1uhnLb65gzL6e31b8vLdf9QsXgpi31wnd4Y KK7wQ8hVp0FXe24jlEu67Q==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qBvh0-0005L6-LP; Wed, 21 Jun 2023 07:08:15 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2023 14:08:11 +0300 Message-Id: <83bkh95azo.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <86ttv1ux5u.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (message from Juri Linkov on Wed, 21 Jun 2023 09:49:05 +0300) References: <83a5wxp6xw.fsf@gnu.org> <86y1ker574.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <834jn273uv.fsf@gnu.org> <864jn1wd67.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <86ttv1ux5u.fsf@mail.linkov.net> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Juri Linkov > Cc: 64141@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii > Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2023 09:49:05 +0300 > > >> the clunkiness that i think of that has always been there is this, > >> which might or might not be related: > >> > >> - if you are using the mouse when the query occurs, the query might > >> be in the minibuffer. it should be in a dialog box. > >> - if you are using the kb when the query occurs, the query might be > >> a dialog box. it should be in the minibuffer. > >> > >> the reason is that i am almost always either in mouse mode or kb mode. > >> switching causes impact on my system as i have to lift my arms, or > >> drop one and possibly lift it again, which can be significantly > >> problematic in my case for unrelated reasons. > >> > >> for isearch, i do not recall previous instances of it in v<=26.1. i > >> was only on 26.1 briefly. 27.1 was a first that i recall. > > > > Indeed, this is how it was supposed to work. > > But there is a regression in 29.0. > > > > When tried > > > > (run-with-timer 5 5 #'yes-or-no-p "OK? ") > > > > it pops up a dialog box in 26.3, 27.2, 28.2, > > but uses the minibuffer in 29.0. > > Sorry, this is not a regression. It still pops up the dialog box > when you are using a mouse. So I see no more problems. Sorry, I'm confused: could you summarize which problems are there, and whether any of them are regressions? From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:26:55 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#64141: 27.1 newly has clunky type-break y-or-n-p Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2023 11:26:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 64141 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Samuel Wales Cc: 64141@debbugs.gnu.org, juri@linkov.net Received: via spool by 64141-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B64141.16873467485404 (code B ref 64141); Wed, 21 Jun 2023 11:26:02 +0000 Received: (at 64141) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jun 2023 11:25:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60774 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qBvy8-0001P6-36 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Jun 2023 07:25:48 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:50446) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qBvy6-0001Ov-I6 for 64141@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Jun 2023 07:25:47 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qBvy0-0000tz-Rw; Wed, 21 Jun 2023 07:25:40 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=pXMy98p009FKH2z9mn1Huz/+cE0s3AlyGb4Ey/PM5SU=; b=LDkexhQ3FQA4 bGYolILhapBdXEsimy3jbmbUVkpub0ipSOyKeBJ627zE7Mf4K021c1T0mZItXeGZ/3m7r1IhqxCYV y2AI2Od5S+5UI3aC6D3lbNeqzBiHcbTksrCjjRWd6Li2uoFirizQEkSLUB3um/0A6PZdkYvo6CdAl XhVrCa8lCQRfYhq3S10MKmWw7N+aZ1EIj61Cng/qxj9++Ro1ox2hZAA1jya7bxb6623Lwwk5ytjud pmbnh33mE4wVAn99U/JSvkVg5mhpLrv4dzyMPDMJlRhUC9gro1m3+zt7JWWIHBrwbgG5AIzAjzVih raAuxc09Tize+ydejjWa6g==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qBvy0-0008Lk-Bc; Wed, 21 Jun 2023 07:25:40 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2023 14:25:49 +0300 Message-Id: <835y7h5a6a.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Samuel Wales on Tue, 20 Jun 2023 15:44:45 -0700) References: <83a5wxp6xw.fsf@gnu.org> <86y1ker574.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <834jn273uv.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Samuel Wales > Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2023 15:44:45 -0700 > Cc: Juri Linkov , 64141@debbugs.gnu.org > > the clunkiness that i think of that has always been there is this, > which might or might not be related: > > - if you are using the mouse when the query occurs, the query might > be in the minibuffer. it should be in a dialog box. > - if you are using the kb when the query occurs, the query might be > a dialog box. it should be in the minibuffer. IIUC, Juri just said that this does work correctly, so I wonder why you say it doesn't work correctly for you. From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:26:55 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#64141: 27.1 newly has clunky type-break y-or-n-p Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2023 15:59:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 64141 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 64141@debbugs.gnu.org, samologist@gmail.com Received: via spool by 64141-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B64141.168736310810048 (code B ref 64141); Wed, 21 Jun 2023 15:59:01 +0000 Received: (at 64141) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jun 2023 15:58:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34113 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qC0E0-0002c0-C7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Jun 2023 11:58:28 -0400 Received: from relay2-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.194]:40827) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qC0Dy-0002bY-BK for 64141@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Jun 2023 11:58:26 -0400 X-GND-Sasl: juri@linkov.net X-GND-Sasl: juri@linkov.net X-GND-Sasl: juri@linkov.net Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7DFD840004; Wed, 21 Jun 2023 15:58:19 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov In-Reply-To: <83bkh95azo.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 21 Jun 2023 14:08:11 +0300") Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <83a5wxp6xw.fsf@gnu.org> <86y1ker574.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <834jn273uv.fsf@gnu.org> <864jn1wd67.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <86ttv1ux5u.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83bkh95azo.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2023 18:54:09 +0300 Message-ID: <865y7gon1m.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/30.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) >> >> the clunkiness that i think of that has always been there is this, >> >> which might or might not be related: >> >> >> >> - if you are using the mouse when the query occurs, the query might >> >> be in the minibuffer. it should be in a dialog box. >> >> - if you are using the kb when the query occurs, the query might be >> >> a dialog box. it should be in the minibuffer. >> >> >> >> the reason is that i am almost always either in mouse mode or kb mode. >> >> switching causes impact on my system as i have to lift my arms, or >> >> drop one and possibly lift it again, which can be significantly >> >> problematic in my case for unrelated reasons. >> >> >> >> for isearch, i do not recall previous instances of it in v<=26.1. i >> >> was only on 26.1 briefly. 27.1 was a first that i recall. >> > >> > Indeed, this is how it was supposed to work. >> > But there is a regression in 29.0. >> > >> > When tried >> > >> > (run-with-timer 5 5 #'yes-or-no-p "OK? ") >> > >> > it pops up a dialog box in 26.3, 27.2, 28.2, >> > but uses the minibuffer in 29.0. >> >> Sorry, this is not a regression. It still pops up the dialog box >> when you are using a mouse. So I see no more problems. > > Sorry, I'm confused: could you summarize which problems are there, and > whether any of them are regressions? There are no problems to summarize. The "modal" minibuffer is achieved by y-or-n-p-use-read-key in 28.1. 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On 6/21/23, Juri Linkov wrote: >>> >> the clunkiness that i think of that has always been there is this, >>> >> which might or might not be related: >>> >> >>> >> - if you are using the mouse when the query occurs, the query might >>> >> be in the minibuffer. it should be in a dialog box. >>> >> - if you are using the kb when the query occurs, the query might be >>> >> a dialog box. it should be in the minibuffer. >>> >> >>> >> the reason is that i am almost always either in mouse mode or kb >>> >> mode. >>> >> switching causes impact on my system as i have to lift my arms, or >>> >> drop one and possibly lift it again, which can be significantly >>> >> problematic in my case for unrelated reasons. >>> >> >>> >> for isearch, i do not recall previous instances of it in v<=26.1. i >>> >> was only on 26.1 briefly. 27.1 was a first that i recall. >>> > >>> > Indeed, this is how it was supposed to work. >>> > But there is a regression in 29.0. >>> > >>> > When tried >>> > >>> > (run-with-timer 5 5 #'yes-or-no-p "OK? ") >>> > >>> > it pops up a dialog box in 26.3, 27.2, 28.2, >>> > but uses the minibuffer in 29.0. >>> >>> Sorry, this is not a regression. It still pops up the dialog box >>> when you are using a mouse. So I see no more problems. >> >> Sorry, I'm confused: could you summarize which problems are there, and >> whether any of them are regressions? > > There are no problems to summarize. > > The "modal" minibuffer is achieved by y-or-n-p-use-read-key in 28.1. > -- The Kafka Pandemic A blog about science, health, human rights, and misopathy: https://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:26:55 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#64141: 27.1 newly has clunky type-break y-or-n-p Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2023 06:49:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 64141 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Samuel Wales Cc: 64141@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 64141-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B64141.168914449711774 (code B ref 64141); Wed, 12 Jul 2023 06:49:01 +0000 Received: (at 64141) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2023 06:48:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51586 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qJTe4-00033o-RU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Jul 2023 02:48:17 -0400 Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.196]:42015) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qJTe2-00032m-KM for 64141@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Jul 2023 02:48:15 -0400 Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 11C5FE000E; Wed, 12 Jul 2023 06:48:07 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov In-Reply-To: (Samuel Wales's message of "Tue, 11 Jul 2023 15:19:37 -0700") Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <83a5wxp6xw.fsf@gnu.org> <86y1ker574.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <834jn273uv.fsf@gnu.org> <864jn1wd67.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <86ttv1ux5u.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83bkh95azo.fsf@gnu.org> <865y7gon1m.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2023 09:43:25 +0300 Message-ID: <864jm98wpa.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/30.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-GND-Sasl: juri@linkov.net X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > by modal do you mean ask as gui vs. kb depending on whether currently > using mouse? By modal I mean typing any key except y or n signals an error and does nothing. > by no problems do you mean recent emacs has none? 27.1 does, but > perhaps that is stone age. > > fwiw i cannot address v>27.1. In v>27.1 you can set y-or-n-p-use-read-key to t that makes y-or-n-p modal. > fwiw non-modal bug existed before 26.1. Such non-modal bug still exists in all versions for yes-or-no-p. From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:26:55 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#64141: 27.1 newly has clunky type-break y-or-n-p Resent-From: Samuel Wales Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2023 06:00:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 64141 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Juri Linkov Cc: 64141@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 64141-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B64141.16897463579131 (code B ref 64141); Wed, 19 Jul 2023 06:00:03 +0000 Received: (at 64141) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jul 2023 05:59:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54749 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qM0DU-0002NB-B8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2023 01:59:16 -0400 Received: from mail-lf1-x134.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::134]:39419) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qM0DH-0002MI-L2 for 64141@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2023 01:59:12 -0400 Received: by mail-lf1-x134.google.com with SMTP id 2adb3069b0e04-4fdb205baccso1015459e87.1 for <64141@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 18 Jul 2023 22:59:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1689746337; x=1690351137; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=4U8B2doJNVO5ckmfjua0xn9t3UG2AXh68178Pkp1Ffo=; b=B3se5fpF0Dxwy5f/BECVuJEX8S5dWLavRrvWQ6vsrZlyNzSID1lgItga/BbrLbqH+W O3cXwZjc+H/OAvgwMSrQT57w55MoAfgnHr5+ot0BwHlnZZftFY2IeAA1Qcp6LD1+ljO0 eFpdgn9JOh9/RrrzW7zJu61E7S0TMebcJe5bZYCL22xRl8lu8pa6ZNuUwseJ+grQ8n+E TG7Wo2lNGXoI+bsRMxjBJhA7r1q/V69j0/H2LBPPcL+AbVe5kxoxNOjNVHpKchOMX3jU Z8Vic54SDBuOdNrZW3xmU1rTDspHr9qbtTQd8H9ZH19PJ2wMzt7z5wwaoH1kfQHuy06Q DuUA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1689746337; x=1690351137; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=4U8B2doJNVO5ckmfjua0xn9t3UG2AXh68178Pkp1Ffo=; b=OmtLUemsnxaxC7A//gJbKCKGsTfs6R3sesIMtMEK3bVaMvo7O9hWmFWqABvApUZXrw YukUvIuDI5H5uo6Q53TbGIm+nfrF2wiHCF+UNdAwX3PLZy3sZIQ0cAmLhleT8+TWFuPY nXR/QWkaxglY/IQcVgPoe9zkPNAymnSYntQw2fhrUeK81f37J2NsmbfSLcv5Fw+COK1p h3VM+OcNTfkLHGmyR48psSVtWBb1pP7xXSiBJmBrolZAufbebilk0tPHWTdnr3yAcHkd eOyCQnmrheuSl1/P4zFOWcMwR+bqxGtLIeGgvQY9WEJyQ/hno/3ZeYdgVD0OZ4j3RBsz t6mA== X-Gm-Message-State: ABy/qLZlVCNUdAyDjVzxNrsC5939PSkXQ3nflz3Ts14NfKtAbGrodR26 DtticTD7tXlCldsyuRCd46fuFzmtdwDsPoT9Kcs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APBJJlG3/1fOBj8kUghi99os2zKIMICulIP67Ft75aMnW0jYu42qMcpkOrUYe4DxPG4cdMZb2HCLtyYVLUZkirYEhTg= X-Received: by 2002:a05:651c:1725:b0:2b9:3c1d:6ec0 with SMTP id be37-20020a05651c172500b002b93c1d6ec0mr667039ljb.4.1689746337183; Tue, 18 Jul 2023 22:58:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:aa6:c26c:0:b0:268:94be:fdc7 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Jul 2023 22:58:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <864jm98wpa.fsf@mail.linkov.net> References: <83a5wxp6xw.fsf@gnu.org> <86y1ker574.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <834jn273uv.fsf@gnu.org> <864jn1wd67.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <86ttv1ux5u.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83bkh95azo.fsf@gnu.org> <865y7gon1m.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <864jm98wpa.fsf@mail.linkov.net> From: Samuel Wales Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2023 22:58:56 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) i realize this isn't useful other than the stuff i have already provided, but i find that type-break more often than not does the wrong thing. cursor in non-writable spot, or in a real buffer. or in middle of isearch. probably various other things. is the idea that i would upgrade to a newer version of emacs? i do that by upgrading debian.... On 7/11/23, Juri Linkov wrote: >> by modal do you mean ask as gui vs. kb depending on whether currently >> using mouse? > > By modal I mean typing any key except y or n signals an error and does > nothing. > >> by no problems do you mean recent emacs has none? 27.1 does, but >> perhaps that is stone age. >> >> fwiw i cannot address v>27.1. > > In v>27.1 you can set y-or-n-p-use-read-key to t that makes y-or-n-p modal. > >> fwiw non-modal bug existed before 26.1. > > Such non-modal bug still exists in all versions for yes-or-no-p. > -- The Kafka Pandemic A blog about science, health, human rights, and misopathy: https://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:26:55 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#64141: 27.1 newly has clunky type-break y-or-n-p Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2023 06:42:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 64141 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Samuel Wales Cc: 64141@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 64141-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B64141.168974891913234 (code B ref 64141); Wed, 19 Jul 2023 06:42:02 +0000 Received: (at 64141) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jul 2023 06:41:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54800 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qM0sp-0003RN-1l for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2023 02:41:59 -0400 Received: from relay5-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.197]:57103) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qM0si-0003R4-R1 for 64141@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2023 02:41:57 -0400 Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3ED3B1C0002; Wed, 19 Jul 2023 06:41:45 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov In-Reply-To: (Samuel Wales's message of "Tue, 18 Jul 2023 22:58:56 -0700") Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <83a5wxp6xw.fsf@gnu.org> <86y1ker574.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <834jn273uv.fsf@gnu.org> <864jn1wd67.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <86ttv1ux5u.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83bkh95azo.fsf@gnu.org> <865y7gon1m.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <864jm98wpa.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2023 09:41:07 +0300 Message-ID: <86y1jc2ykc.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/30.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-GND-Sasl: juri@linkov.net X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > i realize this isn't useful other than the stuff i have already > provided, but i find that type-break more often than not does the > wrong thing. cursor in non-writable spot, or in a real buffer. or in > middle of isearch. probably various other things. > > is the idea that i would upgrade to a newer version of emacs? i do > that by upgrading debian.... Or you could take the old function `y-or-n-p' from 26.1 and add it to your config for 27.1. From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:26:55 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#64141: 27.1 newly has clunky type-break y-or-n-p Resent-From: Samuel Wales Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2023 07:12:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 64141 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Juri Linkov Cc: 64141@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 64141-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B64141.168975069416593 (code B ref 64141); Wed, 19 Jul 2023 07:12:01 +0000 Received: (at 64141) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jul 2023 07:11:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54845 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qM1LR-0004JZ-Mn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2023 03:11:33 -0400 Received: from mail-lj1-x230.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::230]:41336) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qM1LO-0004JI-Mh for 64141@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2023 03:11:32 -0400 Received: by mail-lj1-x230.google.com with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-2b73261babdso18246741fa.1 for <64141@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 19 Jul 2023 00:11:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1689750685; x=1690355485; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=q8W+r8VKL92D+Hck2+vsJDRHUQA9WvxKoyXvi+RytvA=; b=D9k7PmSVbSOUYK+kaCQChtM54cfv4TkMzBp1Ro4nxMnwxkzK+dHZNmfOT/IKlRqDcH pQxjIPAmPgKgAwpllre1vff+HzLbwTPErc637ePqXmWGs/IcoTR8ziilJHBqy6xuG0AX Hf+is/Hb7dx3hPdhgRgZZORh2uhfnhNjrE+Ba0lDa7vYipoVGo0IcZOFVZIJGM8QuEv2 JTUQZDGZBEABPSZ+jc8Fu3RvnhPx9RGaUVDHlqGrEXvaaPQi8VL8PiwOz48SAoppCmL5 HSCoybdTYFTg9N13Ax/96fDaVHyySzglaWz4DH7MT+moxDcgVJYhk3og9vkewEfBkGNb txFA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1689750685; x=1690355485; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=q8W+r8VKL92D+Hck2+vsJDRHUQA9WvxKoyXvi+RytvA=; b=Hc/h8NtTYCllvbWNN2UoF3GL/l3CaMt3dgkZEWZXzW8VUOOogOwpAFHL82532vgfBB taSSGhguoquhjM38M1YdFiL9S3P/uBqT2H488NCq3G7O8lcCdn79QpK0O0yqkrzdlw5E Y4KBV/819Kyha/k+fnhAoBIgHeplulp1yokbyrEbsO7IqKHJssvsKUNvMPI1x53jy835 xiA5ZQWN9/QoNZDo9goP+jKoOL0fuLV7auviKxvVdkJErqHU2tr8Ldf3ICn63StsA7oM JNyhpgt+iU9+DD3cerr/z6SFm/OQWNUoqRVmREem/Aw41smrexzWhtv9lCpvOyIU2loH zgIQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ABy/qLZeBo/H+JxgAi1xfOcJERz+rpVZXhUlqjtbYNSZK4K7NmMRi5QR qRKbJfC94yJX7oMgq4vGeKFYBuT1fWG0cI17pHs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APBJJlH+Ay7CTATBWzP7s4TZYAeCEAUqE01FolqjeKSx/GEALj6sFcf/Sg/F44LHTSp0t2ltoiW6FQ0vBkuvrvewN/U= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:a607:0:b0:2b7:32d1:6c7d with SMTP id v7-20020a2ea607000000b002b732d16c7dmr805884ljp.2.1689750684548; Wed, 19 Jul 2023 00:11:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:aa6:c26c:0:b0:268:94be:fdc7 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jul 2023 00:11:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <86y1jc2ykc.fsf@mail.linkov.net> References: <83a5wxp6xw.fsf@gnu.org> <86y1ker574.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <834jn273uv.fsf@gnu.org> <864jn1wd67.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <86ttv1ux5u.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83bkh95azo.fsf@gnu.org> <865y7gon1m.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <864jm98wpa.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <86y1jc2ykc.fsf@mail.linkov.net> From: Samuel Wales Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2023 00:11:23 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) thanks On 7/18/23, Juri Linkov wrote: >> i realize this isn't useful other than the stuff i have already >> provided, but i find that type-break more often than not does the >> wrong thing. cursor in non-writable spot, or in a real buffer. or in >> middle of isearch. probably various other things. >> >> is the idea that i would upgrade to a newer version of emacs? 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so tht i do not have to dl or do dependency issues? On 7/19/23, Samuel Wales wrote: > thanks > > On 7/18/23, Juri Linkov wrote: >>> i realize this isn't useful other than the stuff i have already >>> provided, but i find that type-break more often than not does the >>> wrong thing. cursor in non-writable spot, or in a real buffer. or in >>> middle of isearch. probably various other things. >>> >>> is the idea that i would upgrade to a newer version of emacs? i do >>> that by upgrading debian.... >> >> Or you could take the old function `y-or-n-p' from 26.1 >> and add it to your config for 27.1. >> > > > -- > The Kafka Pandemic > > A blog about science, health, human rights, and misopathy: > https://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com > -- The Kafka Pandemic A blog about science, health, human rights, and misopathy: https://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:26:55 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#64141: 27.1 newly has clunky type-break y-or-n-p Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2023 17:38:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 64141 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Samuel Wales Cc: 64141@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 64141-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B64141.169022023525199 (code B ref 64141); Mon, 24 Jul 2023 17:38:01 +0000 Received: (at 64141) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Jul 2023 17:37:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43967 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qNzUg-0006YM-W3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2023 13:37:15 -0400 Received: from relay1-d.mail.gandi.net ([2001:4b98:dc4:8::221]:41715) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qNzUZ-0006Xj-AK for 64141@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2023 13:37:08 -0400 Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D32E3240003; Mon, 24 Jul 2023 17:36:59 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov In-Reply-To: (Samuel Wales's message of "Sat, 22 Jul 2023 22:26:23 -0700") Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <83a5wxp6xw.fsf@gnu.org> <86y1ker574.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <834jn273uv.fsf@gnu.org> <864jn1wd67.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <86ttv1ux5u.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83bkh95azo.fsf@gnu.org> <865y7gon1m.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <864jm98wpa.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <86y1jc2ykc.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2023 20:24:03 +0300 Message-ID: <86y1j55iks.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/30.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-GND-Sasl: juri@linkov.net X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > by any chace, does emacs site have a plae where teh definition of > y-or-n-p in 26 can be found? You can copy-paste it from here: https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/tree/lisp/subr.el?h=emacs-26#n2505 > so tht i do not have to dl or do dependency issues? There should be no issues with dependency. From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:26:55 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Samuel Wales Subject: bug#64141: closed (Re: bug#64141: 27.1 newly has clunky type-break y-or-n-p) Message-ID: References: X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 64141 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 64141@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2023 22:06:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1693692362-14629-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1693692362-14629-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #64141: 27.1 newly has clunky type-break y-or-n-p which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 64141@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 64141: https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D64141 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1693692362-14629-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 64141-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Sep 2023 22:05:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38833 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qcYjr-0003mg-96 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Sep 2023 18:05:07 -0400 Received: from mail-lf1-x133.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::133]:54544) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qcYjo-0003m4-2J for 64141-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Sep 2023 18:05:06 -0400 Received: by mail-lf1-x133.google.com with SMTP id 2adb3069b0e04-50078e52537so490638e87.1 for <64141-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 02 Sep 2023 15:04:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1693692288; x=1694297088; darn=debbugs.gnu.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Rhh4P+c285sNZ0U4I6x+vfIaWxvGxJACDIJYbGpDZcg=; b=N6Y8DUcsbIx8ABm6+9peskc5i/nQOYyz2mgTYiaNoXmx6CFDmVdNdjBYn8xTjhJoVJ YisG+DA8gWwMMDIqZxDvWMmj08pza5a22eYZcNrpflAlz+Bs8PRhNeW4XZ/Y/tkkkNou TQ0dTsA8tU/65huYIaXvr9LNOgTjznuOHtzS43yQ/NOIQYdMKDyCzzJgGYm70ZnJYsya jhOmuEjNomJi4Ao+tBqhqySCaCET0YfH7FUijqh8DoZXupTkV+6GHznAMWbhOvCzcYBU gCJgBdAEPWC3IILWTEu3qL4Y4oD5teRCxBKLAYfDgYIfwnvYAqthtl95tf3cMyckbz55 aloQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1693692288; x=1694297088; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Rhh4P+c285sNZ0U4I6x+vfIaWxvGxJACDIJYbGpDZcg=; b=ENHB/e6SVAFDk7TULAGvJAxlEAPCdD1CmJY3/p2v/rvP5zaND+jnwa2T2K6xvPL2N/ fdfUC9ghib7XG37gpAvzhxM5A2THHOBuAFjBXluH12ajRZKLW6e9fWoo92xkoxWnwtmD rYKAZ+lad14l2VnAlxaKUw5Zu0yxTb0xZMMxRPeF7Yjdo0bVThKV/0H+ver8WfCCqrBI noLXzOr1FGMdDVwaXKaQRg078zqjKU5G7hIIgk6blNvZXmlaTRfoLbgqcEVVwnQRsiAD dwTrYznGcnIf+neXJq/WqzFAnhIHAfdGjJNau/h7sk0Yr0ZC1hGJ7sdv8yt3hsU2hNi5 /pqQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyyMnCB2Fnd104YvUbsPRTSIIa3YtsOPfZwFmOFWC1dBenlShKS jX1FmVkIUof/EzmGNus9glPI6cKD5STAja8/VYE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGFSqwTAUizlkPVYeleKw8jSblWn3z+n0YD+sZtezJRJJdFUgEc9/azZ0f8AKaDh2QlONVHscOZf6TDd2qUkPs= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:b8e:b0:500:9b7d:ee22 with SMTP id b14-20020a0565120b8e00b005009b7dee22mr4797668lfv.60.1693692287903; Sat, 02 Sep 2023 15:04:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sat, 2 Sep 2023 15:04:47 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <86y1jc2ykc.fsf@mail.linkov.net> References: <83a5wxp6xw.fsf@gnu.org> <86y1ker574.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <834jn273uv.fsf@gnu.org> <864jn1wd67.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <86ttv1ux5u.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83bkh95azo.fsf@gnu.org> <865y7gon1m.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <864jm98wpa.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <86y1jc2ykc.fsf@mail.linkov.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2023 15:04:47 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#64141: 27.1 newly has clunky type-break y-or-n-p To: Juri Linkov , Samuel Wales Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 64141-done Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 64141-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Juri Linkov writes: >> i realize this isn't useful other than the stuff i have already >> provided, but i find that type-break more often than not does the >> wrong thing. cursor in non-writable spot, or in a real buffer. or in >> middle of isearch. probably various other things. >> >> is the idea that i would upgrade to a newer version of emacs? i do >> that by upgrading debian.... > > Or you could take the old function `y-or-n-p' from 26.1 > and add it to your config for 27.1. Having read this bug thread, it seems like there is nothing more to do here. I'm therefore closing this bug report. If this conclusion is incorrect and this is still an issue, please reply to this email (use "Reply to all" in your email client) and we can reopen the bug report. ------------=_1693692362-14629-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jun 2023 01:17:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52845 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qAh2X-0001DR-Fu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 Jun 2023 21:17:13 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:39874) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qAh2S-0001DE-4x for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 Jun 2023 21:17:11 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qAh2Q-0006DQ-Oj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Jun 2023 21:17:07 -0400 Received: from mail-lf1-x131.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::131]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qAh2O-0006RI-W9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Jun 2023 21:17:06 -0400 Received: by mail-lf1-x131.google.com with SMTP id 2adb3069b0e04-4f740497304so610446e87.0 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2023 18:17:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1687051022; x=1689643022; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to; bh=HORLVmnfqqAHwLE5lex0qr/Ejt0351M6/+ouaKTFCZo=; b=Y5n3GWUg5Qm0vu8HaMKM067jIsPc+ncYT8gyXK3WTu4Nfi5qZUSVEW4wx3934PdEJ+ gF7P5NLkQtCrfsNZ1XO6TO75ug3DaNvQysj74ilfhCAAOK1EzeUsrL2w1bOE2sALB0iv HLHzdqszJfnJktB62EZM0s5eiV775eb/Bql3nmgTqUbVB5/qsMEGo8d4Pt3t49pKtGKY NAhjkjur9QniLLCC6amwAzMav+QQHlBzP75tSne3j+8ahxsKMvwWQIrtQaHMHkuG3oi1 JSk9KVoM4vcpTIjXdtFxiWsuq0AQpJDXnXSb/cP9lJhZgqw/2PjZYAQ4HeCILkOg0dau TKDw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1687051022; x=1689643022; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=HORLVmnfqqAHwLE5lex0qr/Ejt0351M6/+ouaKTFCZo=; b=DDhyIFEhob85EwDJFkUWbaFMCYsNM4PDpYiPx7c/SAwRJ3UwNJXS3HyPKb735oK+/a VBHXgYqwjLLMOWGC6XcE+8zEAwQmUMCye3iZzIkV9zVJNhLh1S/u3XfpuLBFvvdp7cvw 6dah8/UKXGheWIfDEBaHIeUcE+S/JfuxRG9B40sz3iwi4cIE1m9aaqbkqnQq9pITAI63 QjzsN3corn86oZhtcY4pcDE6TJecW2CH0Ap9gK8+78yg81BiUjbnN+fMDuLBy0TrewvC 2UlCzTDGE2JY3KBSOZq8gB54wxWUmlsteZkajDH9DmRm4yHj1SgASUofPzW+PYtLJ54b Fedg== X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDwur/PEPPFnWJYTdcBJn0vL7XCeNbjsG0ypWPH03FByCIqBtNbt kWl2j3orcJUDCpw8odZuKWJr56WXFRVoIK/2/xSixIxJG2v2rQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ7c8fttxv9FMIAa0Q01M80zOEDc6KrpJgeNZzrt5XmPOaF4cylpC4DnJn3hBHUwdncg2ZxhuG+DFpXj7zHH2GQ= X-Received: by 2002:ac2:53a9:0:b0:4f8:52cb:509d with SMTP id j9-20020ac253a9000000b004f852cb509dmr2697967lfh.3.1687051021879; Sat, 17 Jun 2023 18:17:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a05:6520:4390:b0:268:94be:fdc7 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Jun 2023 18:17:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Samuel Wales Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2023 18:17:00 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: 27.1 newly has clunky type-break y-or-n-p To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::131; envelope-from=samologist@gmail.com; helo=mail-lf1-x131.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) i upgraded to 27.1 and found that type-break is asking me about breaks as follows: when it asks in minibuffer - point is in another window, requiring focus, changing point, and tending to type-break - home or page up key puts point at beg of message, where it will not accept a reply - it is generally more high-maintenane to get it to do a type-break or to get it to postpone it - it seems to arrive in the wrong place or at the wrong instant more [this is subjective and please ignore if nonsensical] apologies for bad bug report. perhaps it will trigger a memory of a code change or changelog/diff will make it obvious. -- The Kafka Pandemic A blog about science, health, human rights, and misopathy: https://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com ------------=_1693692362-14629-1--