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It should say that up front and explicitly. Manual (dired-x) `Shell Command Guessing' sort of says it, if you read carefully and guess a bit. Please say explicitly that REGEXP is a regexp that's used to match file names. And say how the alist entries are used. All that's said, so far, is that this is a "User-defined alist of rules for suggested commands." Rules used how? What does matching file names have to do with using a command? Again, the manual does say this somewhat, but not the doc string. The doc refers to `dired-guess-shell-alist-default', but the doc for that variable doesn't explain anything, so it doesn't help with the missing info for `dired-guess-shell-alist-user'. FWIW, the comment in file dired-x.el that introduces these variables describes them better than the doc in some ways: what they're for, how they're used. 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(No shell need be involved.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jun 03 12:16:10 2023 Received: (at 63875) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jun 2023 16:16:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44168 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1q5TvG-0001jN-8f for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 Jun 2023 12:16:10 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:52484) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1q5TvC-0001id-9Q for 63875@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 Jun 2023 12:16:08 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q5Tv4-00006I-Jk; Sat, 03 Jun 2023 12:15:59 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=F8R0DQNP7HScFVVdiCbXtZi1Dgc8z8AHaCAxldSO0R8=; b=Rtp0/1I0G5vv 2dIOTJaOwDvcLx0tHzjya8Kg1bG8ynAmf1c/dOo52SN5pT/XlfkAxTe/t20uLtSjNtVC0/Pgnusks Dn1yBkjANrQ/4L2lt9H6M5XB4WPFou9iTPve9HPAE3sGdnonRXlAViEsnDx3x6Clf/0nMtcqQ0zTz QprFKm/hMicevkEDEfMDYNBttKJmx5sC22XsWwfFlJdteNB8bvUtyQZeHeJcSA9aNRnRiv3BQjj3b Zr9pNCO3hNn+QL6AHeRcO1+vNvsXkgr/SRTs7plhb54BQiVwDE4Ha333AaXLHghhR/YcN3pZfE32J Q7px0KasUb05gGwJ4AoNUQ==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q5Tv3-0005VQ-3B; Sat, 03 Jun 2023 12:15:58 -0400 Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2023 19:16:48 +0300 Message-Id: <83zg5g7c7j.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Sat, 3 Jun 2023 16:08:11 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#63875: 26.3; Doc of `dired-guess-shell-alist-user' References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 63875 Cc: 63875@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Drew Adams > Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2023 16:08:11 +0000 > > The doc string doesn't say what REGEXP is, e.g., what it's intended to > match. It should say that up front and explicitly. ???The doc string says: Each element of this list looks like (REGEXP COMMAND...) COMMAND will be used if REGEXP matches the file to be processed. If several files are to be processed, REGEXP has to match all the files. "REGEXP matches the file to be processed". What else needs to be said? 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It should say that up front and explicitly. >=20 > ???The doc string says: >=20 > Each element of this list looks like >=20 > (REGEXP COMMAND...) >=20 > COMMAND will be used if REGEXP matches the file to be processed. > If several files are to be processed, REGEXP has to match all the > files. >=20 > "REGEXP matches the file to be processed". What else needs to be > said? Apologies. The bug report was from Emacs 26. I see now that the doc string was improved since then to what you quote. In Emacs 26, it says only this: Each element of this list looks like (REGEXP COMMAND...) where each COMMAND can either be a string or a Lisp expression that evaluates to a string. Feel free to close the bug. Thx. 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It should say that up front and explicitly. > > > > ???The doc string says: > > > > Each element of this list looks like > > > > (REGEXP COMMAND...) > > > > COMMAND will be used if REGEXP matches the file to be processed. > > If several files are to be processed, REGEXP has to match all the > > files. > > > > "REGEXP matches the file to be processed". What else needs to be > > said? > > Apologies. The bug report was from Emacs 26. I see > now that the doc string was improved since then to > what you quote. > > In Emacs 26, it says only this: > > Each element of this list looks like > > (REGEXP COMMAND...) > > where each COMMAND can either be a string or a Lisp > expression that evaluates to a string. > > Feel free to close the bug. Thx. Closing. 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Thx. But it would be good, I think, to add that it's not just about shell commands. Some users will not recognize that they can invoke executable programs this way. E.g., on MS Windows, users who never use anything like a shell explicitly will nevertheless want to know how to associate files (by name matches) with applications, in Emacs. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jun 03 12:28:48 2023 Received: (at 63875) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jun 2023 16:28:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44200 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1q5U7U-00024A-5g for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 Jun 2023 12:28:48 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:40372) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1q5U7T-00023z-1B for 63875@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 Jun 2023 12:28:47 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q5U7N-00038D-ED; Sat, 03 Jun 2023 12:28:41 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=cMjeDKAY0hqrr1LepmB8WFb+43uEe7XiSPheNfIgn60=; b=Ky8nQvdDW9r7 dQ7u6c/NCcx/nom4FpIVofgAod6DLum6r4HN/dJ0Xsx2h2OlYH8P1jf3Ick7bkE+Pj8xDLwFMHRO5 Dr/rlhB5dr99L/WlrC7vJm7nSqoKuvTR/Qm8Y2mQmZlj62ClT9oLpci6wX0kM9x4u4Ks2zfMX/kFC q4pNUdiHc98bqyvZ1JfrpCzDpvdOJIUvOuXYQiXFQyBnOvPxyYgxH1WT8BmPi2omtmlEIx360rU4P F4WO3OnvORzLztIfj7Ciqiot5iYQY+3qxlTb/znjxZ5MZ8KCFGb3a189xMBvoy89gxiMyaNqabSk9 HISFsO6fJeTpdKlc1lMZ9w==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q5U7M-0000sQ-QA; Sat, 03 Jun 2023 12:28:41 -0400 Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2023 19:29:30 +0300 Message-Id: <83v8g47bmd.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Sat, 3 Jun 2023 16:26:02 +0000) Subject: Re: [External] : bug#63875: 26.3; Doc of `dired-guess-shell-alist-user' References: <83zg5g7c7j.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 63875 Cc: 63875@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Drew Adams > CC: "63875@debbugs.gnu.org" <63875@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2023 16:26:02 +0000 > > > Feel free to close the bug. 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Some users will > > not recognize that they can invoke executable > > programs this way. >=20 > Shell commands are a super-set of executable programs, so I see no > reason to change anything here. The variable is used to invoke > commands via a shell, so "shell command" is exactly right. Yes, but many Emacs users won't know that. Unless they're programmers or they are used to GNU or Unix or Linux, some users won't guess that they can use this user option to associate applications (executable binaries) with file names for Emacs. MS Windows, for example, may know how to create default file associations for programs invoked normally (for Windows), but Emacs users on Windows might well not guess that they can associate files with programs for Emacs. If you disagree that this is the case, fine. But if you agree then maybe you'll consider explicitly mentioning this use of the option. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jun 03 14:49:24 2023 Received: (at 63875) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jun 2023 18:49:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44303 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1q5WJX-0002LB-Pr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 Jun 2023 14:49:24 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38468) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1q5WJU-0002Kx-IJ for 63875@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 Jun 2023 14:49:22 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q5WJO-0005hW-RW; Sat, 03 Jun 2023 14:49:14 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=rKoxC4c/I/kbfvGjxHMWwaUxbGHrYHl0M/QOuBWGUFE=; b=PKCnuclfyMER KZpGf9PvJER8zCEBPJQpnrLVYrYdrGJsWMTYHU67dIoZAszsGkAr+E4vW7O/nuWG+V6obdVSrx3qm mf4jBuIWY43BD9ikSbKqF+yFqQ3bVxSQJ8HTBMSXvl2+kvlF+BlJhvKDZ4tsu91XewvmtmoBqaKey L62Tkikcp1PWueDNT/BXTY1o6Sh0S3YN5rR0cp7cf1eoEYbBUnd9pCvIoCuUGffg4AZJYZXx/NpAx 9SZAGEGOSZnwklysLrtnE/O4fVy5kTMyg2Jz1kKLtkrvtPPGuThFyv1ospizBZSsF+L5pFPjhwZeN VkQk+Qy5bcrcIE5xOM8AUw==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q5WJO-00054W-Bs; Sat, 03 Jun 2023 14:49:14 -0400 Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2023 21:50:05 +0300 Message-Id: <83sfb87542.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Sat, 3 Jun 2023 17:20:14 +0000) Subject: Re: [External] : bug#63875: 26.3; Doc of `dired-guess-shell-alist-user' References: <83zg5g7c7j.fsf@gnu.org> <83v8g47bmd.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 63875 Cc: 63875@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Drew Adams > CC: "63875@debbugs.gnu.org" <63875@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2023 17:20:14 +0000 > > > > But it would be good, I think, to add that it's > > > not just about shell commands. Some users will > > > not recognize that they can invoke executable > > > programs this way. > > > > Shell commands are a super-set of executable programs, so I see no > > reason to change anything here. The variable is used to invoke > > commands via a shell, so "shell command" is exactly right. > > Yes, but many Emacs users won't know that. Why wouldn't they? we have a chapter named "Running Shell Commands from Emacs" in the Emacs manual. Typing "i shell commands RET" in Info brings you there. I think you see a problem where there is none. 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Some users will > > > > not recognize that they can invoke executable > > > > programs this way. > > > > > > Shell commands are a super-set of executable programs, so I see no > > > reason to change anything here. The variable is used to invoke > > > commands via a shell, so "shell command" is exactly right. > > > > Yes, but many Emacs users won't know that. >=20 > Why wouldn't they? we have a chapter named "Running Shell Commands > from Emacs" in the Emacs manual. Typing "i shell commands RET" in > Info brings you there. >=20 > I think you see a problem where there is none. Is that Emacs manual node linked from the Dired-x manual page that describes the option? Is it linked from the *Help* output for the option? Else it's unlikely that most users reading the doc for the option will search for "shell commands" in the Emacs manual. Most users have likely heard of shell commands, but it's not at all obvious that nonprogrammers etc. will realize that mention of shell commands in a description of this option will likely be of use to them for associating files with apps. That's the purpose of this option. It would be far clearer, and far easier for doc maintainers and users of the doc, to simply add a brief sentence or phrase to indicate that "shell commands" here covers programs in general. I've said enough to get the point across. If you don't want to fix this because a user has the ability to go to the Emacs manual from the doc string or from the Dired-X manual, and look up "shell command" in the Emacs manual, fine. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jun 04 13:01:28 2023 Received: (at 63875) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jun 2023 17:01:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47041 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1q5r6d-0007ub-QR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Jun 2023 13:01:27 -0400 Received: from relay9-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.199]:48383) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1q5r6a-0007uM-TU for 63875@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Jun 2023 13:01:26 -0400 X-GND-Sasl: juri@linkov.net X-GND-Sasl: juri@linkov.net Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DF114FF807; Sun, 4 Jun 2023 17:01:16 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#63875: 26.3; Doc of `dired-guess-shell-alist-user' In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Sat, 3 Jun 2023 16:14:01 +0000") Organization: LINKOV.NET References: Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2023 19:44:10 +0300 Message-ID: <86o7lvxnm5.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/30.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 63875 Cc: "63875@debbugs.gnu.org" <63875@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > Maybe say something similar to what oantolin says > in this Reddit post: > > "an alist that maps filename regexps to a list > of commands you might want to apply to the file." > > https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/13yrk5k/is_there_a_package_for_a_opening_a_menu_of_file/jmprpp2/ The request was: "I was thinking of something similar to OS file managers, where you can right-click a file and have operations relevant to the extension pop up." 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