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23.2; manual language fixes
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Reported by: Warren L Dodge <warrend <at> Tektronix.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 01:14:02 UTC
Severity: minor
Found in version 23.2
Done: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
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Reading the GNU Emacs Manual and found a couple sentances that have
something wrong with them.
In the 4.1 Inserting Text section
If the radix is greater than 10, some letters starting with `a' serve as
part of a character code, just like digits. ^
^
Not sure but it seems something is wrong here ---------------^ Maybe is
should be 'a'-'f'. Anyway it doesn't seem to read as I would think.
Instead of `C-q', you can use `C-x 8 <RET>' (`ucs-insert') to insert
a character based on its Unicode name or code-point. This commands
prompts for a character to insert, ...
The word commands should be command I believe. ^^^^^^^
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Message #8 received at 6374 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
> From: Warren L Dodge <warrend <at> Tektronix.com>
> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 17:45:56 -0700
> Cc:
>
> If the radix is greater than 10, some letters starting with `a' serve as
> part of a character code, just like digits. ^
> ^
> Not sure but it seems something is wrong here ---------------^ Maybe is
> should be 'a'-'f'. Anyway it doesn't seem to read as I would think.
Emacs supports radix values beyond 16, so a-f is not enough. It's
actually a-z.
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Message #11 received at 6374 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> wrote:
>> From: Warren L Dodge <warrend <at> Tektronix.com>
>> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 17:45:56 -0700
>> Cc:
>>
>> If the radix is greater than 10, some letters starting with `a' serve as
>> part of a character code, just like digits. ^
>> ^
>> Not sure but it seems something is wrong here ---------------^ Maybe is
>> should be 'a'-'f'. Anyway it doesn't seem to read as I would think.
>
> Emacs supports radix values beyond 16, so a-f is not enough. It's
> actually a-z.
I would expect it to be a-w (since then 0-9a-w are 32 "digits").
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Message #14 received at 6374 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
> From: Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman <at> gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 05:05:45 +0200
> Cc: Warren L Dodge <warrend <at> tektronix.com>, 6374 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>
> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> wrote:
> >> From: Warren L Dodge <warrend <at> Tektronix.com>
> >> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 17:45:56 -0700
> >> Cc:
> >>
> >> If the radix is greater than 10, some letters starting with `a' serve as
> >> part of a character code, just like digits. ^
> >> ^
> >> Not sure but it seems something is wrong here ---------------^ Maybe is
> >> should be 'a'-'f'. Anyway it doesn't seem to read as I would think.
> >
> > Emacs supports radix values beyond 16, so a-f is not enough. It's
> > actually a-z.
>
>
> I would expect it to be a-w (since then 0-9a-w are 32 "digits").
??? What's so magical about the number 32?
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Message #17 received at 6374 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 5:36 AM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> wrote:
>> From: Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman <at> gmail.com>
>> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 05:05:45 +0200
>> Cc: Warren L Dodge <warrend <at> tektronix.com>, 6374 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> wrote:
>> >> From: Warren L Dodge <warrend <at> Tektronix.com>
>> >> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 17:45:56 -0700
>> >> Cc:
>> >>
>> >> If the radix is greater than 10, some letters starting with `a' serve as
>> >> part of a character code, just like digits. ^
>> >> ^
>> >> Not sure but it seems something is wrong here ---------------^ Maybe is
>> >> should be 'a'-'f'. Anyway it doesn't seem to read as I would think.
>> >
>> > Emacs supports radix values beyond 16, so a-f is not enough. It's
>> > actually a-z.
>>
>>
>> I would expect it to be a-w (since then 0-9a-w are 32 "digits").
>
> ??? What's so magical about the number 32?
Oh, my misunderstanding. I thought the only interesting radixes where 2**n.
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Message #20 received at 6374 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 05:50, Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh, my misunderstanding. I thought the only interesting radixes where 2**n.
Duodecimal is quite an interesting system:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duodecimal
and 12 is not a power of 2.
Juanma
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Message #23 received at 6374 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> Emacs supports radix values beyond 16, so a-f is not enough. It's
> actually a-z.
Is the doc-string of read-quoted-char-radix (which is what the manual
section in question is talking about) wrong then? It says:
Legitimate radix values are 8, 10 and 16
These are also the only choices allowed when customizing
read-quoted-char-radix.
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Message #26 received at 6374 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org> writes:
> Is the doc-string of read-quoted-char-radix (which is what the manual
> section in question is talking about) wrong then? It says:
>
> Legitimate radix values are 8, 10 and 16
>
> These are also the only choices allowed when customizing
> read-quoted-char-radix.
read-quoted-char-radix != lisp reader.
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Message #29 received at 6374 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
> Cc: Warren L Dodge <warrend <at> Tektronix.com>, 6374 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 01:08:35 -0400
>
> Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>
> > Emacs supports radix values beyond 16, so a-f is not enough. It's
> > actually a-z.
>
> Is the doc-string of read-quoted-char-radix (which is what the manual
> section in question is talking about) wrong then?
No, it's not wrong.
> Legitimate radix values are 8, 10 and 16
>
> These are also the only choices allowed when customizing
> read-quoted-char-radix.
I don't think we should rewrite the manual for a simple extension of
the current capabilities, when it is done. The Lisp reader already
supports any radix up to 36. So the intentionally vague language in
the manual seems fine to me.
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Corrected these issues, thanks.
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