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Hello,

I would like to suggest a change t= o the second paragraph of the Guile Manual=E2=80=99s
Introduction, which= currently says =E2=80=9CUnlike, for example, Python or Perl, Scheme
has= no benevolent dictator.=E2=80=9D

This phrase, while it may be accur= ate in spirit, may be misleading or outdated,
as the examples given do n= ot reflect the current governance models of those
languages:

- Pe= rl is overseen by the Perl Steering Council, which also states that Larry=C2=A0 Wall has not been involved in Perl for about two decades
=C2=A0= (https://blogs.perl.org/users/psc/2022/05/what-happened-to-perl-7.h= tml)
- Python is managed by the Python Steering Council, which Guido= van Rossum
=C2=A0 withdrew from in 2020 and has not rejoined since
= =C2=A0 (https://discuss.python.org/t/steering-= council-nomination-guido-van-rossum-2020-term/2657/11)

Thank you= for your time.

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Do you already have a better fitting wording in mind? Best wishes, Arne Sebastian Carlos writes: > Hello, > > I would like to suggest a change to the second paragraph of the Guile Man= ual=E2=80=99s > Introduction, which currently says =E2=80=9CUnlike, for example, Python o= r Perl, Scheme > has no benevolent dictator.=E2=80=9D > > This phrase, while it may be accurate in spirit, may be misleading or out= dated, > as the examples given do not reflect the current governance models of tho= se > languages: > > - Perl is overseen by the Perl Steering Council, which also states that L= arry > Wall has not been involved in Perl for about two decades > (https://blogs.perl.org/users/psc/2022/05/what-happened-to-perl-7.html) > - Python is managed by the Python Steering Council, which Guido van Rossum > withdrew from in 2020 and has not rejoined since > (https://discuss.python.org/t/steering-council-nomination-guido-van-ros= sum-2020-term/2657/11) > > Thank you for your time. =2D-=20 Unpolitisch sein hei=C3=9Ft politisch sein, ohne es zu merken. draketo.de --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; 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Mon, 08 May 2023 03:31:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87wn1jp29e.fsf@web.de> In-Reply-To: <87wn1jp29e.fsf@web.de> From: Sebastian Carlos Date: Mon, 8 May 2023 12:31:46 +0200 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000fb7b3305fb2c25a0" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::243; envelope-from=sebaaa1754@gmail.com; helo=mail-lj1-x243.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.1 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) --000000000000fb7b3305fb2c25a0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I don't have an alternative in mind. My suggestion is to delete the sentence altogether. I think the paragraph still makes sense without it, as the reader gets enough information to understand how Scheme differs from other programming languages. Best wishes, Sebastian On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 12:05=E2=80=AFPM Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > Hi, > > thank you for your message. Do you already have a better fitting wording > in mind? > > Best wishes, > Arne > > Sebastian Carlos writes: > > > Hello, > > > > I would like to suggest a change to the second paragraph of the Guile > Manual=E2=80=99s > > Introduction, which currently says =E2=80=9CUnlike, for example, Python= or Perl, > Scheme > > has no benevolent dictator.=E2=80=9D > > > > This phrase, while it may be accurate in spirit, may be misleading or > outdated, > > as the examples given do not reflect the current governance models of > those > > languages: > > > > - Perl is overseen by the Perl Steering Council, which also states that > Larry > > Wall has not been involved in Perl for about two decades > > (https://blogs.perl.org/users/psc/2022/05/what-happened-to-perl-7.htm= l > ) > > - Python is managed by the Python Steering Council, which Guido van > Rossum > > withdrew from in 2020 and has not rejoined since > > ( > https://discuss.python.org/t/steering-council-nomination-guido-van-rossum= -2020-term/2657/11 > ) > > > > Thank you for your time. > > > -- > Unpolitisch sein > hei=C3=9Ft politisch sein, > ohne es zu merken. > draketo.de > --000000000000fb7b3305fb2c25a0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

I don't have an alternative in mind.
My suggestion is to delete the sentence altogether. I think the para= graph still makes sense without it, as the reader gets enough information t= o understand how Scheme differs from other programming languages.
<= br>
Best wishes,
Sebastian

On Mon, May 8,= 2023 at 12:05=E2=80=AFPM Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide <arne_bab@web.de> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l= eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi,

thank you for your message. Do you already have a better fitting wording in mind?

Best wishes,
Arne

Sebastian Carlos <sebaaa1754@gmail.com> writes:

> Hello,
>
> I would like to suggest a change to the second paragraph of the Guile = Manual=E2=80=99s
> Introduction, which currently says =E2=80=9CUnlike, for example, Pytho= n or Perl, Scheme
> has no benevolent dictator.=E2=80=9D
>
> This phrase, while it may be accurate in spirit, may be misleading or = outdated,
> as the examples given do not reflect the current governance models of = those
> languages:
>
> - Perl is overseen by the Perl Steering Council, which also states tha= t Larry
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0Wall has not been involved in Perl for about two decades >=C2=A0 =C2=A0(https://blogs= .perl.org/users/psc/2022/05/what-happened-to-perl-7.html)
> - Python is managed by the Python Steering Council, which Guido van Ro= ssum
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0withdrew from in 2020 and has not rejoined since
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0(https://discuss.python.org/t/steering-council-nomination-guido-van= -rossum-2020-term/2657/11)
>
> Thank you for your time.


--
Unpolitisch sein
hei=C3=9Ft politisch sein,
ohne es zu merken.
draketo.= de
--000000000000fb7b3305fb2c25a0-- From unknown Sun Jun 22 08:11:21 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Sebastian Carlos Subject: bug#63366: closed (Re: bug#63366: Docs: Revise or delete reference to =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=9Cbenevolent_?= =?UTF-8?Q?dictators=E2=80=9D?= in Manual Introduction) Message-ID: References: <871qa7vy2o.fsf@gnu.org> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 63366 X-Gnu-PR-Package: guile Reply-To: 63366@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2024 10:14:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1706091242-17092-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1706091242-17092-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #63366: Docs: Revise or delete reference to =E2=80=9Cbenevolent dictators= =E2=80=9D in Manual Introduction which was filed against the guile package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. 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I think the paragraph > still makes sense without it, as the reader gets enough information to > understand how Scheme differs from other programming languages. I=E2=80=99ve (finally) removed that sentence. Thanks! 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Hello,

I would like to suggest a change t= o the second paragraph of the Guile Manual=E2=80=99s
Introduction, which= currently says =E2=80=9CUnlike, for example, Python or Perl, Scheme
has= no benevolent dictator.=E2=80=9D

This phrase, while it may be accur= ate in spirit, may be misleading or outdated,
as the examples given do n= ot reflect the current governance models of those
languages:

- Pe= rl is overseen by the Perl Steering Council, which also states that Larry=C2=A0 Wall has not been involved in Perl for about two decades
=C2=A0= (https://blogs.perl.org/users/psc/2022/05/what-happened-to-perl-7.h= tml)
- Python is managed by the Python Steering Council, which Guido= van Rossum
=C2=A0 withdrew from in 2020 and has not rejoined since
= =C2=A0 (https://discuss.python.org/t/steering-= council-nomination-guido-van-rossum-2020-term/2657/11)

Thank you= for your time.

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