From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Apr 11 19:53:00 2023 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Apr 2023 23:53:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38518 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pmNnI-00064U-I1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2023 19:53:00 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:48536) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pmNnH-00064N-30 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2023 19:52:59 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pmNnG-0005US-Kz for bug-guix@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2023 19:52:58 -0400 Received: from cyberdimension.org ([2001:910:1314:ffff::1] helo=gnutoo.cyberdimension.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_CHACHA20_POLY1305:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pmNnE-0001PZ-Lh for bug-guix@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2023 19:52:58 -0400 Received: from gnutoo.cyberdimension.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cyberdimension.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 34acda15 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2023 23:52:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from primary_laptop (localhost [::1]) by gnutoo.cyberdimension.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id bc49a049 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2023 23:52:52 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2023 01:52:31 +0200 From: Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli To: bug-guix@gnu.org Subject: drascula, lure, lure-de, lure-es, lure-fr, lure-it, sky: non-commercial license Message-ID: <20230412015205.22026747@primary_laptop> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 4.1.1 (GTK 3.24.30; i686-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/AaQ4+liLofVxpEXiDgzQo97"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2001:910:1314:ffff::1; envelope-from=GNUtoo@cyberdimension.org; helo=gnutoo.cyberdimension.org X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) --Sig_/AaQ4+liLofVxpEXiDgzQo97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, The license of all these packages have that inside: > 3) You may not charge a fee for the game itself. This includes > reselling the game as an individual item. And the FSDG has that: > Non-functional Data > ------------------- > Data that isn't functional, that doesn't do a practical job, is more > of an adornment to the system's software than a part of it. Thus, we > don't insist on the free license criteria for non-functional data. It > can be included in a free system distribution as long as its license > gives you permission to copy and redistribute, both for commercial > and non-commercial purposes. For example, some game engines released > under the GNU GPL have accompanying game information=E2=80=94a fictional > world map, game graphics, and so on=E2=80=94released under such a > verbatim-distribution license. This kind of data can be part of a > free system distribution, even though its license does not qualify as > free, because it is non-functional. So unfortunately here we need to remove these games. Denis. --Sig_/AaQ4+liLofVxpEXiDgzQo97 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEeC+d2+Nrp/PU3kkGX138wUF34mMFAmQ18r8ACgkQX138wUF3 4mM7OA//aYuaoX7yprINLcf7SFQqx8d5Q4XAKXXL+ef6nrZKqUtadYpXp1PeOOj1 g4yfQE22cYX03xhgYDyToNYT36Ukcy4CO5a+6JkAiO0phax+GL5OTsTy9YVhUloc N5OEBPQ2/kJpRgN30IFpgLm15ubjx8mKp+RCLqF+JKv+GJLLrg320bZpRXHFpzQA lt/ABhCu7n4GN3N5YN37uzSA0nCOGfeZrWNMTzf8J2Qqpil1S/y/BnLEQX+6v32T JiLpkfm82XwwO+FPQMZLh8uWlxLnonXPTBBOanD+UdO9G5850ypKNXsk9BjypliW +BabjFEmszk0pvHcni3Xo1Ezo7LXaCjvU7XSeQoATxxtbLm9jMclcqtubXGELt9x v9GN6pyEWgypIEvguyd7wdzruNLlmHueJ++2COwVA765GyDjmVwr5Uwx9AWBp2dZ mzj9NjK3bCvKbNOOPfC1891dwG9E0mPqDWP4R7zdL/AT4sOJpWT6B2P8qdZA91Sj C57dHWYEM26EqaKDOicoUBC0pC/PKLTsQGAmFDfu+48Uc6MvQVqE3XQ2afdi7Oq8 FSZiX7Zzd/aQQdkouCwnbE5RKNTpXHIoljqRC6345C+c4B6mwuSCgX4jdqdR6jvt g+5/4c8FMd7PksYVP46F0hRLjx3Rw6wrFxSs4yccmthpknNgFSc= =IS/+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/AaQ4+liLofVxpEXiDgzQo97-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Apr 11 20:55:40 2023 Received: (at 62784) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Apr 2023 00:55:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38549 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pmOlw-0007mg-In for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2023 20:55:40 -0400 Received: from cyberdimension.org ([80.67.179.20]:45936 helo=gnutoo.cyberdimension.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pmOlq-0007mS-KJ for 62784@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2023 20:55:38 -0400 Received: from gnutoo.cyberdimension.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cyberdimension.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 394f7f4e for <62784@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 12 Apr 2023 00:55:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from primary_laptop (localhost [::1]) by gnutoo.cyberdimension.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 6730f7c0 for <62784@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 12 Apr 2023 00:55:32 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2023 02:55:10 +0200 From: Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli To: 62784@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: drascula, lure, lure-de, lure-es, lure-fr, lure-it, sky: non-commercial license Message-ID: <20230412025510.47f0907d@primary_laptop> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 4.1.1 (GTK 3.24.30; i686-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/hs7zGTz_zBpm4BLH4eY0qcm"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 62784 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --Sig_/hs7zGTz_zBpm4BLH4eY0qcm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I also forgot the following games (same license clause): queen, queen-de, queen-fr, queen-it. Denis. --Sig_/hs7zGTz_zBpm4BLH4eY0qcm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEeC+d2+Nrp/PU3kkGX138wUF34mMFAmQ2AW8ACgkQX138wUF3 4mMKtg//Vfotk1Xj0W7o7oIfRmpSj0vsDy3OFLMZ46SAaCOkb+ste1bWCC32OVQp Ojt8BFoOcj2hFw6PNlg680vMv+lc6YuTR7UNwZvAlCpyZUVDUgYbFD5C1aS4q587 VJhFUc5z1+JFCv17Cu+ssY3MGYDI8xudMtUeJbNMN5rviXGo7YPJT9M7KQotpNJb Uqzj587OwvJ8b/ene1WtPF0BVnKrT+qoEEFKVb9m43DPeCEI1qHLZMX5YQNbKHYt HwhRKB+fpyNFio2Wm2dd9RGJHGUc6aHcUTADH4koIZN2B9zTewJlWgbVr+ZuywPU 87IezUuVkw6YPFAt/buz2c9hedzg4/xHnkBJt6cS03L0uDfARTjYvIxnqaPknLqV Kpvpy6T+/vLA2Q/pAiBfnEbNvOw5aZFFfNQFOrdBiAc+FbCvLn8whN0YFMoe51Lo /TAUR6a24uekikkX4N8X9lC38b51h1OstIF9ZLY51NGevUGynFokH8mSXkD3A3LK 8yjUBFQa8miEYad50k33pbUPutndsxhk66sLHA35LwgH5MXfgv25mR9m++gfBg8t oAh5s6XYWaKCLqZsTIKildRMgOpI4uS/7rW9PMNtE8jwgDLc9/DQ2PWkGLdHrPdA EK7M1NfFjHR84ykMpzLg3t7FW3ZPTlHUodZ0ORpHXTsJ/ivTQe8= =WFvu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/hs7zGTz_zBpm4BLH4eY0qcm-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Apr 12 03:32:20 2023 Received: (at 62784) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Apr 2023 07:32:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38887 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pmUxo-0001pj-A7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2023 03:32:20 -0400 Received: from relay2-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.194]:34043) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pmUxm-0001pV-5M for 62784@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2023 03:32:18 -0400 Received: (Authenticated sender: admin@nicolasgoaziou.fr) by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8D66640014; Wed, 12 Apr 2023 07:32:11 +0000 (UTC) From: Nicolas Goaziou To: Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli Subject: Re: bug#62784: drascula, lure, lure-de, lure-es, lure-fr, lure-it, sky: non-commercial license References: <20230412015205.22026747@primary_laptop> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2023 09:32:04 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20230412015205.22026747@primary_laptop> (Denis Carikli's message of "Wed, 12 Apr 2023 01:52:31 +0200") Message-ID: <87zg7dmu8b.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 62784 Cc: 62784@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Hello, Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli writes: > > The license of all these packages have that inside: >> 3) You may not charge a fee for the game itself. This includes >> reselling the game as an individual item. > > And the FSDG has that: >> Non-functional Data >> ------------------- >> Data that isn't functional, that doesn't do a practical job, is more >> of an adornment to the system's software than a part of it. Thus, we >> don't insist on the free license criteria for non-functional data. It >> can be included in a free system distribution as long as its license >> gives you permission to copy and redistribute, both for commercial >> and non-commercial purposes. For example, some game engines released >> under the GNU GPL have accompanying game information=E2=80=94a fictional >> world map, game graphics, and so on=E2=80=94released under such a >> verbatim-distribution license. This kind of data can be part of a >> free system distribution, even though its license does not qualify as >> free, because it is non-functional. > > So unfortunately here we need to remove these games. This report seems to appears from time to time in free GNU/Linux distributions throughout the years. In the license you mention, you omitted the second point : "you may charge a reasonable copying fee for this archive, and may distribute it in aggregate as part of a larger and possibly commercial software distribution". In other words, I think the non-commercial restriction is moot in our situation. Consequently, it seems okay to keep these games in Guix. Debian, Trisquel, PureOS distributions seem to agree, FWIW. I understand our opinions may differ here, but I do think software freedom is not at stake when including drascula and friends in Guix. 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[85.127.52.93]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o8-20020a170906358800b0094a6f908b8bsm3495253ejb.166.2023.04.12.02.35.20 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 12 Apr 2023 02:35:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9972c0d44d35fce44c6cb3f6bef9cbda8ce5344e.camel@gmail.com> Subject: Re: drascula, lure, lure-de, lure-es, lure-fr, lure-it, sky: non-commercial license From: Liliana Marie Prikler To: Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli , 62784@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2023 11:35:19 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20230412015205.22026747@primary_laptop> References: <20230412015205.22026747@primary_laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.46.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 62784 Cc: Tobias Geerinckx-Rice X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Denis, Am Mittwoch, dem 12.04.2023 um 01:52 +0200 schrieb Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli: > Hi, >=20 > The license of all these packages have that inside: > > 3) You may not charge a fee for the game itself. This includes > > reselling the game as an individual item. >=20 > And the FSDG has that: > > Non-functional Data > > ------------------- > > Data that isn't functional, that doesn't do a practical job, is > > more of an adornment to the system's software than a part of it. Th > > Thus, we don't insist on the free license criteria for non- > > functional data. It can be included in a free system distribution > > as long as its license gives you permission to copy and > > redistribute, both for commercial and non-commercial purposes. For > > example, some game engines released under the GNU GPL have > > accompanying game information=E2=80=94a fictional world map, game graph= ics, > > and so on=E2=80=94released under such a verbatim-distribution license. = This > > kind of data can be part of a free system distribution, even though > > its license does not qualify as free, because it is non-functional. >=20 > So unfortunately here we need to remove these games. We have been aware of this for about half a year now (see the thread in guix-devel following [1]), but as other FSDG-abiding distributions still include these games (or at least did back then) we postponed their removal. Cheers PS: Tobias, do you have a reply from the licensing team? 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[85.127.52.93]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l11-20020aa7c3cb000000b00529fb5fd3b9sm1367760edr.80.2023.09.08.12.28.54 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 08 Sep 2023 12:28:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <962371111be742701b83b3850aabd3b7d9ddfc00.camel@gmail.com> Subject: Re: drascula, lure, lure-de, lure-es, lure-fr, lure-it, sky: non-commercial license From: Liliana Marie Prikler To: Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli , 62784-done@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2023 21:28:54 +0200 In-Reply-To: <9972c0d44d35fce44c6cb3f6bef9cbda8ce5344e.camel@gmail.com> References: <20230412015205.22026747@primary_laptop> <9972c0d44d35fce44c6cb3f6bef9cbda8ce5344e.camel@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.46.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 62784-done Cc: Tobias Geerinckx-Rice X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Am Mittwoch, dem 12.04.2023 um 11:35 +0200 schrieb Liliana Marie Prikler: > Hi Denis, >=20 > [...] We have been aware of this for about half a year now (see the > thread in guix-devel following [1]), but as other FSDG-abiding > distributions still include these games (or at least did back then) > we postponed their removal. We now ship none of these games as well as a fully bootstrapped scummvm-based game. This ought to make everyone happy. Cheers From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:46:22 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2023 11:24:17 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator