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> By the way, I've sent a Copyright Assignment Request to > five days ago, but there is no reply. 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Content preview: I think what the manual says is: for example, if the value stored in the function cell of symbol `my-func` is `nil` or `void`, then defining `nil` or `void` with defun makes `my-func` a valid function [...] Content analysis details: (1.2 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 1.2 RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET RBL: Received via a relay in bl.spamcop.net [Blocked - see ] -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2 RBL: Average reputation (+2) [40.92.20.10 listed in wl.mailspike.net] -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [40.92.20.10 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (one.last.kiss[at]outlook.com) -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 62746 Cc: "62746@debbugs.gnu.org" <62746@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) I think what the manual says is: for example, if the value stored in the fu= nction cell of symbol `my-func` is `nil` or `void`, then defining `nil` or = `void` with defun makes `my-func` a valid function.=0A= =0A= ________________________________________=0A= From: Eli Zaretskii =0A= Sent: Monday, April 10, 2023 4:49 PM=0A= To: Shynur Xie; Stefan Monnier=0A= Cc: 62746@debbugs.gnu.org=0A= Subject: Re: bug#62746: [PATCH] Updated Elispref-Manual: `nil' cannot be de= funed=0A= =0A= > From: Shynur Xie =0A= > Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2023 08:33:20 +0000=0A= >=0A= > Original:=0A= >=0A= > =93The symbols nil and void are Lisp objects, and can be stored into a=0A= > function cell just as any other object can be (and they can be valid=0A= > functions if you define them in turn with defun).=94=0A= >=0A= > Updated:=0A= >=0A= > =93The symbols nil and void are Lisp objects, and can be stored into a=0A= > function cell just as any other object can be (and void can be a=0A= > valid function if you define it with defun).=94=0A= =0A= Why do you think the original text needs to be corrected?=0A= =0A= > By the way, I've sent a Copyright Assignment Request to=0A= > five days ago, but there is no reply. Is there any=0A= > additional information or action required from me?=0A= =0A= If they don't reply in a week from now, ping them and CC me.=0A= =0A= Thanks.=0A= From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Apr 10 05:01:31 2023 Received: (at 62746) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Apr 2023 09:01:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34316 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1plnP0-0003E5-Sp for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Apr 2023 05:01:31 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:55098) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1plnOy-0003Ds-S4 for 62746@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Apr 2023 05:01:29 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1plnOs-0004gH-Ti; Mon, 10 Apr 2023 05:01:22 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=P93UmRwTmLJ4N1FTgiO35HKOVlAYVBikfEXAaK2QrHw=; b=Efatao2CanIN QkuqQZ7ekDqQ7va6Y4qBWR6DS1OoE9p6cywltJlk3xWCGHNyFhV3Oq5NsV/brEtToXXeGC8LmNRj0 kXkn+7kF6yx9PFhSiv3fCQiiPY654yekfANMCmXbYcBKZyv89VGuaRbeLU52Ilsbp4AQ8FOWS/1bI yAKjo43WEs3VvJVT8P05WgO4JvUVNqTd/H1+fesDKrQA/mToZxeHqEVOrd0DZqM4fdS11gBqPKTKj NeEa4Ok3JRUbWRiphUQV93m1egTnDVhqUvsYPNHLcoCfUB8dLd6yFaEuKY2Ke8M2A46UbRVK0YyGp heZAlfSe9Jetaot53B7RLA==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1plnOs-0004Za-Dw; Mon, 10 Apr 2023 05:01:22 -0400 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2023 12:02:00 +0300 Message-Id: <83wn2kaz5j.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Shynur Xie In-Reply-To: (message from Shynur Xie on Mon, 10 Apr 2023 08:56:40 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#62746: [PATCH] Updated Elispref-Manual: `nil' cannot be defuned References: <83y1n0azp3.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 62746 Cc: 62746@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Shynur Xie > CC: "62746@debbugs.gnu.org" <62746@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2023 08:56:40 +0000 > > I think what the manual says is: for example, if the value stored in the function cell of symbol `my-func` is `nil` or `void`, then defining `nil` or `void` with defun makes `my-func` a valid function. And why is that wrong? 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Mon, 10 Apr 2023 10:15:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#62746: [PATCH] Updated Elispref-Manual: `nil' cannot be defuned In-Reply-To: <83y1n0azp3.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 10 Apr 2023 11:50:16 +0300") Message-ID: References: <83y1n0azp3.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2023 10:14:59 -0400 User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SPAM-INFO: Spam detection results: 0 ALL_TRUSTED -1 Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP AWL -0.027 Adjusted score from AWL reputation of From: address BAYES_00 -1.9 Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% DKIM_SIGNED 0.1 Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid DKIM_VALID -0.1 Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature DKIM_VALID_AU -0.1 Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain DKIM_VALID_EF -0.1 Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from envelope-from domain X-SPAM-LEVEL: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 62746 Cc: 62746@debbugs.gnu.org, Shynur Xie X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) >> =E2=80=9CThe symbols nil and void are Lisp objects, and can be stored in= to a >> function cell just as any other object can be (and they can be valid >> functions if you define them in turn with defun).=E2=80=9D >>=20 >> Updated: >>=20 >> =E2=80=9CThe symbols nil and void are Lisp objects, and can be stored in= to a >> function cell just as any other object can be (and void can be a >> valid function if you define it with defun).=E2=80=9D > > Why do you think the original text needs to be corrected? Indeed, `nil` is treated specially to mean "not defined" when we try to call a function: Lisp_Object funcall_general (Lisp_Object fun, ptrdiff_t numargs, Lisp_Object *args) { Lisp_Object original_fun =3D fun; retry: if (SYMBOLP (fun) && !NILP (fun) && (fun =3D XSYMBOL (fun)->u.s.function, SYMBOLP (fun))) fun =3D indirect_function (fun); =20=20=20=20 if (SUBRP (fun) && !SUBR_NATIVE_COMPILED_DYNP (fun)) return funcall_subr (XSUBR (fun), numargs, args); else if (COMPILEDP (fun) || SUBR_NATIVE_COMPILED_DYNP (fun) || MODULE_FUNCTIONP (fun)) return funcall_lambda (fun, numargs, args); else { if (NILP (fun)) xsignal1 (Qvoid_function, original_fun); -- Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri May 05 02:37:18 2023 Received: (at 62746-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 May 2023 06:37:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52992 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pup4A-00083b-7N for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 May 2023 02:37:18 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:40798) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pup48-00083H-Ce for 62746-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 May 2023 02:37:16 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pup42-0005zq-Fh; Fri, 05 May 2023 02:37:10 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=RnAYehlLJNptcWPpEVmoWn+e80nQ9DY9nqk9McK2xcw=; b=CEy8WRBF8+tRKWBmSfor yIr9YsnWd0EobtFqwxaunBoB/OW9/uBTxOnbRt4gKpEWsTcrJQDJroHd+TvLjWlyQdCeUmqgV078y 4iga4T4Lz+CoZ/QVBHnTOHIK+pQfQK3k7TLGZKPxDYma91c1Ar7hNTpqyd8pTyc7axaOFu4mMbzci c2JwH66UPl9mEAZGc67V2RTPF0qjecXpG0t//ZLJm1cqaDU/srwFtHPI1urEnZ3tTTuWPONaOjICs y7NbTK+zFe5t5xFkF3mhTEAqc/WC9JlJlToN/dPbl7iGAALUEjrmllPuzydF6FQXW4Ys4JNURxfYg aT3DbELY2wMO/A==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pup41-0006yi-Vi; Fri, 05 May 2023 02:37:10 -0400 Date: Fri, 05 May 2023 09:38:03 +0300 Message-Id: <834jorjnas.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Monnier In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Mon, 10 Apr 2023 10:14:59 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#62746: [PATCH] Updated Elispref-Manual: `nil' cannot be defuned References: <83y1n0azp3.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 62746-done Cc: 62746-done@debbugs.gnu.org, one.last.kiss@outlook.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: Shynur Xie , 62746@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2023 10:14:59 -0400 > > >> “The symbols nil and void are Lisp objects, and can be stored into a > >> function cell just as any other object can be (and they can be valid > >> functions if you define them in turn with defun).” > >> > >> Updated: > >> > >> “The symbols nil and void are Lisp objects, and can be stored into a > >> function cell just as any other object can be (and void can be a > >> valid function if you define it with defun).” > > > > Why do you think the original text needs to be corrected? > > Indeed, `nil` is treated specially to mean "not defined" when we try to > call a function: > > Lisp_Object > funcall_general (Lisp_Object fun, ptrdiff_t numargs, Lisp_Object *args) > { > Lisp_Object original_fun = fun; > retry: > if (SYMBOLP (fun) && !NILP (fun) > && (fun = XSYMBOL (fun)->u.s.function, SYMBOLP (fun))) > fun = indirect_function (fun); > > if (SUBRP (fun) && !SUBR_NATIVE_COMPILED_DYNP (fun)) > return funcall_subr (XSUBR (fun), numargs, args); > else if (COMPILEDP (fun) > || SUBR_NATIVE_COMPILED_DYNP (fun) > || MODULE_FUNCTIONP (fun)) > return funcall_lambda (fun, numargs, args); > else > { > if (NILP (fun)) > xsignal1 (Qvoid_function, original_fun); > Thanks. So I think our documentation is correct in this aspect, and I'm therefore closing this bug. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri May 05 10:01:42 2023 Received: (at 62746-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 May 2023 14:01:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57157 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1puw0E-0007YI-Hy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 May 2023 10:01:42 -0400 Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:41645) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1puw0C-0007Y4-Gu for 62746-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 May 2023 10:01:40 -0400 Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 4CA4380F1D; Fri, 5 May 2023 10:01:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id C598880ADE; Fri, 5 May 2023 10:01:33 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1683295293; bh=aOjIBTL2yseeGD77zxY5VRJz2e57FJHq65O9Pi6sZ5U=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=myrFW7MeltERtV8RroAjOcb/Quonf5RUTvdH5duIXo2USnKYn7eGSZqTsZObLliBW cpXClbiJ6aP/zu3MAJwFNP9MGDReW9g1f685mlNkM11i4g3wJkfPdimNCZRPq78xrE an65/fzE+hrV1PNrcUO1s3RqrscpStRWH4Iw8uLI+R5ffcmh38OGuKI2G2i41DVhuR cZoE4/g5vIjRW/JAz75x88Qr9uAqVfwpGvxN8j/UB1O7oS8T1neh3TXpd7xQWG9z7Z ajUDoSdtKQUNE6QBORvs2fFIM117QRIfe4mNiVzEWrnGx8NmBHSRQmUBBeY+KH9hyh fO+YIwqDKUxjg== Received: from pastel (unknown [45.72.217.176]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E494312008F; Fri, 5 May 2023 10:01:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#62746: [PATCH] Updated Elispref-Manual: `nil' cannot be defuned In-Reply-To: <834jorjnas.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 05 May 2023 09:38:03 +0300") Message-ID: References: <83y1n0azp3.fsf@gnu.org> <834jorjnas.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Fri, 05 May 2023 10:01:24 -0400 User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SPAM-INFO: Spam detection results: 0 ALL_TRUSTED -1 Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP AWL 0.121 Adjusted score from AWL reputation of From: address BAYES_00 -1.9 Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% DKIM_SIGNED 0.1 Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid DKIM_VALID -0.1 Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature DKIM_VALID_AU -0.1 Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain DKIM_VALID_EF -0.1 Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from envelope-from domain T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE -0.01 - X-SPAM-LEVEL: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 62746-done Cc: 62746-done@debbugs.gnu.org, one.last.kiss@outlook.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) >> >> =E2=80=9CThe symbols nil and void are Lisp objects, and can be stored= into a >> >> function cell just as any other object can be (and they can be valid >> >> functions if you define them in turn with defun).=E2=80=9D >> >>=20 >> >> Updated: >> >>=20 >> >> =E2=80=9CThe symbols nil and void are Lisp objects, and can be stored= into a >> >> function cell just as any other object can be (and void can be a >> >> valid function if you define it with defun).=E2=80=9D >> > >> > Why do you think the original text needs to be corrected? >>=20 >> Indeed, `nil` is treated specially to mean "not defined" when we try to >> call a function: >>=20 >> Lisp_Object >> funcall_general (Lisp_Object fun, ptrdiff_t numargs, Lisp_Object *ar= gs) >> { >> Lisp_Object original_fun =3D fun; >> retry: >> if (SYMBOLP (fun) && !NILP (fun) >> && (fun =3D XSYMBOL (fun)->u.s.function, SYMBOLP (fun))) >> fun =3D indirect_function (fun); >>=20=20=20=20=20 >> if (SUBRP (fun) && !SUBR_NATIVE_COMPILED_DYNP (fun)) >> return funcall_subr (XSUBR (fun), numargs, args); >> else if (COMPILEDP (fun) >> || SUBR_NATIVE_COMPILED_DYNP (fun) >> || MODULE_FUNCTIONP (fun)) >> return funcall_lambda (fun, numargs, args); >> else >> { >> if (NILP (fun)) >> xsignal1 (Qvoid_function, original_fun); >>=20 > > Thanks. So I think our documentation is correct in this aspect, and > I'm therefore closing this bug. The current text suggest that `nil` "can be valid [a] function if you define [it] in turn with defun", which is not really true. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri May 05 10:06:03 2023 Received: (at 62746) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 May 2023 14:06:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57174 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1puw4R-0007gR-3y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 May 2023 10:06:03 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:52028) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1puw4P-0007fx-3q for 62746@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 May 2023 10:06:01 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1puw4J-00074S-Lw; Fri, 05 May 2023 10:05:55 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=famOgW2CoE6XJd1PmORznEYkl8yov30UgyB6UOYt11Q=; b=cF4E+8ojD/p8 WYB8xxa2GGdsOgp3PvCWVmJKjGyZlhYdHz2Et2H6+aZa+wyZFmMM8+mKr6RcX+0WmqcnuzUA8gWEm kLhcFmq/MnAiGrOT98leVKpX7lAsNwQ5aR57a5NWvm8d5Q9ODsYCcyhQQa4VnPj2JM5XTVJzxuTKR 6B7sb/zzIIUKOYWN+lukqt4a7z0fxpOddufeXFpOUB5i4ICiyYYbj3GWnP6S5guMm8flE3q8psWMq Vmb+Snzy0K1zfbUV+cGoicLrsV6ea89Mgl1cFJPVSM4EXWpG+Q8u+D7IcwvEhXlntMO1Sl1lpZ0CY jo7MPMPKXrtHVNuJE1tuAg==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1puw4J-0003Xt-5r; Fri, 05 May 2023 10:05:55 -0400 Date: Fri, 05 May 2023 17:06:49 +0300 Message-Id: <837ctmj2iu.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Monnier In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Fri, 05 May 2023 10:01:24 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#62746: [PATCH] Updated Elispref-Manual: `nil' cannot be defuned References: <83y1n0azp3.fsf@gnu.org> <834jorjnas.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 62746 Cc: 62746@debbugs.gnu.org, one.last.kiss@outlook.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: one.last.kiss@outlook.com, 62746-done@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 05 May 2023 10:01:24 -0400 > > > Thanks. So I think our documentation is correct in this aspect, and > > I'm therefore closing this bug. > > The current text suggest that `nil` "can be valid [a] > function if you define [it] in turn with defun", which is not really true. Feel free to correct that, or suggest how to do that. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri May 05 14:04:38 2023 Received: (at 62746) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 May 2023 18:04:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57439 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1puznK-0002Rp-I4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 May 2023 14:04:38 -0400 Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:47503) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1puznG-0002RU-Vy for 62746@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 May 2023 14:04:36 -0400 Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id B7F15100787; Fri, 5 May 2023 14:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id C4E2C10011A; Fri, 5 May 2023 14:04:27 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1683309867; bh=rEcC/ddFy/c7IhyY9z75MeBipcbhL2+qASgNMuttjh8=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=pDPsVSfkVbJrVPT9vzxF5r7XoE41O//XzWKQ79FElIBkSNsdjJIgp5rz6MpPwxSIH 0a/3jUWZ7iYKvT474wX+jzLM8iyJdZO3A0sxVNc9Sb5mtIJ2OW/gMBAy/0AQEhoTle 0cqM/Jh8gwcD8/lBpMe0inxz2vfRyJ5PYXhPVYBmXT7vKssuiiw0KwSXpyywhZE/9a N1TYBS1yPaIKTkmRQXsv0rtKreAiQNDvqCVI6iMu5kCs0vyHU/kLPrKVsKzjKCIAEW Zo18hbH3uYiNNhf1vsEhYTNK0lW1uhdnzddY9KvXT9L0k3nIOQ8e5TKm6JU5tMJTLE o5yfnTbbz+3/g== Received: from alfajor (unknown [45.44.229.252]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A3CDC1204D7; Fri, 5 May 2023 14:04:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#62746: [PATCH] Updated Elispref-Manual: `nil' cannot be defuned In-Reply-To: <837ctmj2iu.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 05 May 2023 17:06:49 +0300") Message-ID: References: <83y1n0azp3.fsf@gnu.org> <834jorjnas.fsf@gnu.org> <837ctmj2iu.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Fri, 05 May 2023 14:04:26 -0400 User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-SPAM-INFO: Spam detection results: 0 ALL_TRUSTED -1 Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP AWL -0.059 Adjusted score from AWL reputation of From: address BAYES_00 -1.9 Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% DKIM_SIGNED 0.1 Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid DKIM_VALID -0.1 Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature DKIM_VALID_AU -0.1 Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain DKIM_VALID_EF -0.1 Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from envelope-from domain T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE -0.01 - X-SPAM-LEVEL: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 62746 Cc: 62746@debbugs.gnu.org, one.last.kiss@outlook.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) >> > Thanks. So I think our documentation is correct in this aspect, and >> > I'm therefore closing this bug. >> >> The current text suggest that `nil` "can be valid [a] >> function if you define [it] in turn with defun", which is not really true. > > Feel free to correct that, or suggest how to do that. The suggest patch did just that, AFAICT. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat May 06 05:48:18 2023 Received: (at 62746) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 May 2023 09:48:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59448 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pvEWY-0007ri-2z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 May 2023 05:48:18 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36792) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pvEWV-0007qw-P5 for 62746@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 May 2023 05:48:16 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pvEWQ-0007ee-2C; Sat, 06 May 2023 05:48:10 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=Ef9AJQNhXNlKxfci0NseneOx5Zs/mnuOqkzbsOnfMZY=; b=RiEphZsuAYPl +hzsH2XhCguvQLtNG5utV1E+QvdgTY3rhqu9G0qEV++e8wOPTsTX9v9+4+fDvjAJ3anZLv4oMt7HE fFqT5L2ttnvCAdAdgiPSXx4CoDem7qxYksH1W0VNNJDB+F7WiqBEYOHl2P2jTInKB+a+60GRswqz8 KiPo3y0TdfnNkaDumJoJYvWYQ31z1DnsxFKdMKueSRYrvsJj6FMJBOUWTcxXKskX/4yR1mJafCIMD /M1Axz1H1XLu+0JoUEbQvlQsirqTuJ0Q5dycGtsffBBsV1qr+thopzpt3hNFBGVWWu9C1s7/SQ13j PzIY90PrU1PyKRwFWYEcYg==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pvEWP-0002tG-Ea; Sat, 06 May 2023 05:48:09 -0400 Date: Sat, 06 May 2023 12:49:05 +0300 Message-Id: <837ctlhjse.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Monnier In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Fri, 05 May 2023 14:04:26 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#62746: [PATCH] Updated Elispref-Manual: `nil' cannot be defuned References: <83y1n0azp3.fsf@gnu.org> <834jorjnas.fsf@gnu.org> <837ctmj2iu.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 62746 Cc: 62746@debbugs.gnu.org, one.last.kiss@outlook.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: one.last.kiss@outlook.com, 62746@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 05 May 2023 14:04:26 -0400 > > >> > Thanks. So I think our documentation is correct in this aspect, and > >> > I'm therefore closing this bug. > >> > >> The current text suggest that `nil` "can be valid [a] > >> function if you define [it] in turn with defun", which is not really true. > > > > Feel free to correct that, or suggest how to do that. > > The suggest patch did just that, AFAICT. Ah, I've misunderstood what you said. Now fixed. From unknown Sat Sep 20 01:09:47 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2023 11:24:08 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator