From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:17:48 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#62484: Join INSTALL and INSTALL.REPO Resent-From: c.buhtz@posteo.jp Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2023 15:45:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 62484 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 62484@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Reply-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.1679931903418 (code B ref -1); Mon, 27 Mar 2023 15:45:04 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Mar 2023 15:45:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48022 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pgp1p-00006F-Sy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Mar 2023 11:45:02 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:59944) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pgn5H-00061Z-CJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Mar 2023 09:40:27 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pgn5G-0007kh-En for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Mar 2023 09:40:26 -0400 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pgn5E-0007k8-7L for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Mar 2023 09:40:25 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D216E2401C3 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2023 15:40:20 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.jp; s=2017; t=1679924420; bh=tnqn4yrGTm2Y0tC2ahxxhwwvaTVvALdcW7vEZjKWbCU=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=QiulRwTt6XDAchbgAKXBOB9GOcJ4+iDLoaCqVBUUgWVzLbf2q1B6v1oybpQ4CSf32 xd9ZCG/YoroFGF1gCK6a9li2ksgfsjOJZ9CqQYG9eF8eP7dG6fV7CyzRjFNki6yScx 9gRdZq+fmxwizCdGMj/buDg4lwtp3M9ml9vmyVbl/CpvwDox0yOiKwn031MV717+2i ryzJTdQtWJggovbj+/ue755CLJ8Es2umbucOP4sSCYlFHaOL2QAHiAvCO5rHowrTrU MO/jwbzeoZilXurxHLeMZL+Ro3Q1h6DbowTfATWRAm54scPJeFhkAnXaM2QaxiB1iF LRbgcFWY3ot7A== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4PlYpr3hv2z9rxM for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2023 15:40:20 +0200 (CEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2023 13:40:20 +0000 From: c.buhtz@posteo.jp Mail-Reply-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Message-ID: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=c.buhtz@posteo.jp; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 27 Mar 2023 11:44:59 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Hello, IMHO it is unusual that a build system depends on if I use a tarball or a git repo. Never seen this before. No matter that there might be good technical reason to this it should be adopted to the "usual" users. A user does look into a README first, finds no build infos and then looks for a BUILD file. Can't find one and tries INSTALL (which is not intended to have build infos because build and install are different things). User (me) found an INSTALL and stuck to it. configure-make-system is usual and known. No need to read all the docs from the beginning (where the link is to the exception INSTALL.REPO). So I just started at "2." and it failed because I used a git repo instead of a tarball. You see. IMHO it would improve the things if you would join INSTALL and INSTALL.REPO back together and also put a TOC on top of it. I assume there is technically no way to remove the difference between tarball-build and git-build, right? 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Tue, 5 Sep 2023 17:01:21 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (c. buhtz's message of "Mon, 27 Mar 2023 13:40:20 +0000") References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2023 17:01:21 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) tags 62484 wontfix notabug close 62484 thanks c.buhtz@posteo.jp writes: > IMHO it is unusual that a build system depends on if I use a tarball or a git > repo. Never seen this before. No matter that there might be good technical > reason to this it should be adopted to the "usual" users. > > A user does look into a README first, finds no build infos and then looks for a > BUILD file. Can't find one and tries INSTALL (which is not intended to have > build infos because build and install are different things). User (me) found an > INSTALL and stuck to it. configure-make-system is usual and known. No need to > read all the docs from the beginning (where the link is to the exception > INSTALL.REPO). So I just started at "2." and it failed because I used a git repo > instead of a tarball. > > You see. > > IMHO it would improve the things if you would join INSTALL and INSTALL.REPO back > together and also put a TOC on top of it. Unfortunately, I think that would just confuse the situation even more. Users building from the tarball should not have to worry about the details in INSTALL.REPO. This takes priority over users pulling the git repository. > I assume there is technically no way to remove the difference between > tarball-build and git-build, right? Correct. On balance, I'm closing this bug. Sorry.