From unknown Sat Aug 16 13:41:48 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#6234 <6234@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#6234 <6234@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: undocumented, unsupported option for initial-buffer-choice Reply-To: bug#6234 <6234@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2025 20:41:48 +0000 retitle 6234 undocumented, unsupported option for initial-buffer-choice reassign 6234 emacs submitter 6234 Stefan Vollmar severity 6234 minor tag 6234 fixed thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu May 20 14:10:34 2010 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 May 2010 18:10:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OFACY-0007Pd-9r for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 May 2010 14:10:34 -0400 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166] helo=mx10.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OFA9m-0007O6-ML for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 May 2010 14:07:44 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:35633) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OFA9i-0002G1-2v for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 May 2010 14:07:38 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=37668 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OFA9g-00070g-AF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 20 May 2010 14:07:37 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OFA9d-0003u4-2Z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 20 May 2010 14:07:36 -0400 Received: from mail.nf.mpg.de ([134.107.209.50]:47564) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OFA9c-0003tV-MK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 20 May 2010 14:07:33 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [192.168.178.21] by mail.nf.mpg.de (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.03 (built Apr 24 2009; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0L2Q00D4OD4PLD00@mail.nf.mpg.de> for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 20 May 2010 20:10:01 +0200 (MEST) From: Stefan Vollmar Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-10--281093537; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Subject: 23.2; inhibit-startup-screen does not work in site-start.el Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 20:07:29 +0200 Message-id: To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 9 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 20 May 2010 14:10:32 -0400 Cc: Stefan Vollmar X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) --Apple-Mail-10--281093537 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: vollmar@nf.mpg.de To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 23.2; inhibit-startup-screen does not work in site-start.el --text follows this line-- This bug report will be sent to the Free Software Foundation, not to your local site managers! Please write in English if possible, because the Emacs maintainers usually do not have translators to read other languages for them. Your bug report will be posted to the bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org mailing = list, and to the gnu.emacs.bug news group. Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug and the precise symptoms of the bug. If you can, give a recipe starting from `emacs -Q': I believe, I might be observing a deliberate behaviour of Emacs 23.2 = rather than a bug. We have a specific setting where we want to create a = ready-to-run distribution of Emacs. We have succeeded in putting all = required customizations in site-start.el und are very happy with this - = except that it would be helpful if inhibit-startup-screen also worked if = set to t in site-start.el, it appears that this only works in a = user-specific .emacs file. We tried to use initial-buffer-choice but this has an unwanted side = effet: the splashscreen no longer appears, however, dropping a file on = the Emacs icon no longer opens that file. Without "initial-buffer-choice" drag & drop works as expected - but = yields a split screen with the splash screen in the lower part (and a = full splash screen if the Emacs icon is just clicked). So it seems that there is no easy way to configure Emacs 23.2 to not = display the splash screen (split or full screen), apart from using a = "--no-splash" start option or a user specific .emacs file where = inhibit-startup-screen does work (if one still wants to have drag & drop = support for the Emacs icon).=20 I think that it would be a good thing if inhibit-startup-screen also = worked in a site-start.el-file. - You have done a great job with Emacs and I am really surprised how well = it works on MS Windows (naturally, it runs extremely well on Unix = platforms). I am sorry that the type of problem described above is = fairly typical for users who often start Emacs and immediately close the = application when a small editing job is done. This is not how I use = Emacs - still, it is a compromise to also support this type of usage and = user (a bit like supplying binaries for Windows). Thank you! If Emacs crashed, and you have the Emacs process in the gdb debugger, please include the output from the following gdb commands: `bt full' and `xbacktrace'. For information about debugging Emacs, please read the file c:/data/stefan/emacs-23.2/etc/DEBUG. In GNU Emacs 23.2.1 (i386-mingw-nt6.0.6002) of 2010-05-08 on G41R2F1 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.0.6002 configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4) --no-opt --cflags = -Ic:/xpm/include' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: DEU value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: cp1252 default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Emacs-Lisp Minor modes in effect: recentf-mode: t cua-mode: t tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: C-x 1 =20 =20 =20 =20 C-c =20 =20 Recent messages: Error setting version-control: (void-variable never) Loading c:/Users/stefan/AppData/Roaming/.recentf...done Cleaning up the recentf list... File c:/Users/stefan/AppData/Roaming/untitled removed from the recentf = list Cleaning up the recentf list...done (1 removed) untitled has auto save data; consider M-x recover-this-file OVERVIEW For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. C:/data/stefan/emacs-23.2/site-lisp/site-start.el and = c:/data/stefan/emacs-23.2/site-lisp/site-start.el are the same file [2 = times] Load-path shadows: None found. 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(envelope-from ) id 1OFB0r-0008Nl-Ii for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 May 2010 15:02:33 -0400 Received: from pantheon-po31.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.82]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OFB0o-0008Nf-OB for 6234@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 May 2010 15:02:31 -0400 Received: from furry (dhcp128036014213.central.yale.edu [128.36.14.213]) (authenticated bits=0) by pantheon-po31.its.yale.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id o4KJ2PtL027400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 20 May 2010 15:02:26 -0400 Received: by furry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A2EFA16D427; Thu, 20 May 2010 15:02:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Chong Yidong To: Stefan Vollmar Subject: Re: bug#6234: 23.2; inhibit-startup-screen does not work in site-start.el References: Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 15:02:25 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Vollmar's message of "Thu, 20 May 2010 20:07:29 +0200") Message-ID: <874oi275xa.fsf@stupidchicken.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2c (attachment(s) not renamed) X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 6234 Cc: 6234@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Stefan Vollmar writes: > I believe, I might be observing a deliberate behaviour of Emacs 23.2 > rather than a bug. We have a specific setting where we want to create > a ready-to-run distribution of Emacs. We have succeeded in putting all > required customizations in site-start.el und are very happy with this > - except that it would be helpful if inhibit-startup-screen also > worked if set to t in site-start.el, it appears that this only works > in a user-specific .emacs file. Yes, inhibit-startup-screen does not take effect if it is set in site-start.el. > We tried to use initial-buffer-choice but this has an unwanted side > effet: the splashscreen no longer appears, however, dropping a file on > the Emacs icon no longer opens that file. I can not reproduce this. Can you provide a simple reproducible test case? I tried with a .emacs file containing only the line (setq initial-buffer-choice t) and dragging a file into the Emacs window (I don't know what you mean by "dropping a file on the Emacs icon") opens that file, as expected. However, this is on GNU/Linux. It's possible that there is a bug in the Windows port; maybe someone else can check. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu May 20 15:21:04 2010 Received: (at 6234) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 May 2010 19:21:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OFBIm-000057-G9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 May 2010 15:21:04 -0400 Received: from mail.nf.mpg.de ([134.107.209.50]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OFBIk-0008WQ-4d for 6234@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 May 2010 15:21:03 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from [192.168.178.21] by mail.nf.mpg.de (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.03 (built Apr 24 2009; 32bit)) with ESMTPSA id <0L2Q00D6PGJ3LD00@mail.nf.mpg.de> for 6234@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 May 2010 21:23:28 +0200 (MEST) Subject: Re: bug#6234: 23.2; inhibit-startup-screen does not work in site-start.el Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-15--276687028; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 From: Stefan Vollmar In-reply-to: <874oi275xa.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 21:20:56 +0200 Message-id: <75C414D6-6E00-4761-9FE2-D1C4909435AA@nf.mpg.de> References: <874oi275xa.fsf@stupidchicken.com> To: Chong Yidong X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Spam-Score: -4.6 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 6234 Cc: 6234@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Vollmar X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.9 (---) --Apple-Mail-15--276687028 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Dear Chong, On 20.05.2010, at 21:02, Chong Yidong wrote: [...] >> We tried to use initial-buffer-choice but this has an unwanted side >> effet: the splashscreen no longer appears, however, dropping a file = on >> the Emacs icon no longer opens that file. >=20 > I can not reproduce this. Can you provide a simple reproducible test > case? I tried with a .emacs file containing only the line >=20 > (setq initial-buffer-choice t) >=20 > and dragging a file into the Emacs window (I don't know what you mean = by > "dropping a file on the Emacs icon") opens that file, as expected. > However, this is on GNU/Linux. It's possible that there is a bug in = the > Windows port; maybe someone else can check. my description was not very precise, I am sorry. Here is what we did: we have a site-start.el file in emacs-23.2/site-lisp which ends with (find-file "~/untitled") (1) That works fine if one uses inhibit-startup-screen in a personal = .emacs file, or uses the "--no-splash" option with the icon shortcut = (but this is not what you want for a ready-to-run distribution).=20 (2) Our next attempt was to add (setq initial-buffer-choice "~/untitled") as a last line. Emacs, when started by a double-click on the icon = shortcut, behaves exactly as requested by our Windows users and if we = drop a file onto a running Emacs instance, that file is opened as = expected (this is what you tested).=20 If one creates an icon shortcut of a program on MS Windows, users expect = that program to open files if they are dropped onto that icon shortcut. = This works fine if (1) holds, but not for (2). Warm regards, Stefan --=20 Dr. Stefan Vollmar, Dipl.-Phys. 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Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-18--273496108; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 From: Stefan Vollmar In-reply-to: <87tyq2bc4e.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 22:14:07 +0200 Message-id: References: <5FF50F23-9E80-484C-A02E-354AB92F7701@nf.mpg.de> <87tyq2bc4e.fsf@gnu.org> To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Johan_Bockg=E5rd?= , Chong Yidong , "Joel J. Adamson" , Drew Adams X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 6234 Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, 6234@debbugs.gnu.org, Leo , Stefan Vollmar X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) --Apple-Mail-18--273496108 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Dear Johan, dear Drew, dear Chong, dear Joel, On 20.05.2010, at 21:34, Johan Bockg=E5rd wrote: > [...] > Try > (setq initial-buffer-choice 'none) this solves my problem beautifully. Apparently, if you want the equivalent of (setq inhibit-startup-screen t) which works fine in .emacs,=20 (setq initial-buffer-choice 'none) is the way to do it if it should work in site-start.el. I have tested it with the Emacs 23.2 on Windows and even dropping a file = onto the Emacs icon shortcut will now work as expected. Thank you and sorry for the noise. Warm regards, Stefan --=20 Dr. Stefan Vollmar, Dipl.-Phys. 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In-Reply-To: (Stefan Vollmar's message of "Thu, 20 May 2010 22:14:07 +0200") References: <5FF50F23-9E80-484C-A02E-354AB92F7701@nf.mpg.de> <87tyq2bc4e.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 10:36:43 +0200 Message-ID: <8739xlodlw.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -3.2 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 6234 Cc: Chong Yidong , Johan =?utf-8?Q?Bockg=C3=A5rd?= , Leo , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, 6234@debbugs.gnu.org, "Joel J. Adamson" , Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.2 (---) Stefan Vollmar writes: > Dear Johan, > dear Drew, > dear Chong, > dear Joel, > > On 20.05.2010, at 21:34, Johan Bockg=C3=A5rd wrote: > >> [...] >> Try >> (setq initial-buffer-choice 'none) Could this please be documented somewhere? I don't see `none' as a possible value in `initial-buffer-choice' docstring or the Elisp manual. =C5=A0t=C4=9Bp=C3=A1n From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri May 21 11:32:18 2010 Received: (at 6234) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 May 2010 15:32:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OFUCv-0002N6-Hb for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 May 2010 11:32:17 -0400 Received: from chondestes.bio.unc.edu ([152.2.67.61]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OFUCt-0002Mx-Bi for 6234@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 May 2010 11:32:15 -0400 Received: from chondestes.bio.unc.edu (chondestes.bio.unc.edu [127.0.0.1]) by chondestes.bio.unc.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o4LFW9LJ023661; Fri, 21 May 2010 11:32:09 -0400 From: "Joel J. Adamson" To: =?us-ascii?Q?=3D=3Futf-8=3FB=3FxaB0xJtww6FuIE7Em21lYw=3D=3D=3F=3D?= Subject: Re: bug#6234: site-start.el: inhibit-startup-screen? In-reply-to: <8739xlodlw.fsf@gmail.com> References: <5FF50F23-9E80-484C-A02E-354AB92F7701@nf.mpg.de> <87tyq2bc4e.fsf@gnu.org> <8739xlodlw.fsf@gmail.com> Comments: In-reply-to =?us-ascii?Q?=3D=3Futf-8=3FB=3FxaB0xJtww6FuIE7Em21lY?= =?us-ascii?Q?w=3D=3D=3F=3D?= message dated "Fri, 21 May 2010 10:36:43 +0200." Organization: University of North Carolina X-Image-URL: http://www.unc.edu/~adamsonj/favicon.ico Face: /home/joel/.face X-Milkshake: Drainage! X-Mailer: MH-E 8.2; nmh 1.3; GNU Emacs 23.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 11:32:09 -0400 Message-ID: <23660.1274455929@chondestes.bio.unc.edu> X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 6234 Cc: Leo , Chong Yidong , Johan =?us-ascii?Q?=3D=3Futf-8=3FQ=3FBockg=3DC3=3DA5rd=3F=3D?= , "Joel J. Adamson" , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, 6234@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Vollmar , Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =C5=A0t=C4=9Bp=C3=A1n N=C4=9Bmec wrote: > Stefan Vollmar writes: >=20 > > Dear Johan, > > dear Drew, > > dear Chong, > > dear Joel, > > > > On 20.05.2010, at 21:34, Johan Bockg=C3=A5rd wrote: > > > >> [...] > >> Try > >> (setq initial-buffer-choice 'none) >=20 > Could this please be documented somewhere? I don't see `none' as a > possible value in `initial-buffer-choice' docstring or the Elisp manual. Would any quoted symbol work? Joel =2D-=20 Joel J. Adamson Servedio Lab University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill FSF Member #8164 http://www.unc.edu/~adamsonj --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkv2p3kACgkQdjuynxXap4SpIQCfTxm/4EUFzRJ256iYOq6AdyqY lzgAn3G8nxYucGdqa2GQ/VHHSp8jZhxp =GlAO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 13 17:56:02 2011 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2011 21:56:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh7PV-0001fe-Kb for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 17:56:01 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh7PS-0001fL-IP for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 17:55:59 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh7PH-0005md-4F for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 23:55:47 +0200 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 23:55:46 +0200 Message-Id: To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #6234 X-MailScanner-ID: 1Qh7PH-0005md-4F X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311198947.25627@vyFMH7rYplVCsklPdgahKA X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) tags 6234 fixed close 6234 24.1 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 13 18:01:08 2011 Received: (at 6234) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2011 22:01:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh7UO-0002eZ-Sm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 18:01:08 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh7UG-0002ci-PC for 6234@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 18:01:00 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh7U2-0005uW-9x; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 00:00:42 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: "Joel J. Adamson" Subject: Re: bug#6234: site-start.el: inhibit-startup-screen? In-Reply-To: <23660.1274455929@chondestes.bio.unc.edu> (Joel J. Adamson's message of "Fri, 21 May 2010 11:32:09 -0400") Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 23:55:43 +0200 Message-ID: References: <5FF50F23-9E80-484C-A02E-354AB92F7701@nf.mpg.de> <87tyq2bc4e.fsf@gnu.org> <8739xlodlw.fsf@gmail.com> <23660.1274455929@chondestes.bio.unc.edu> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Now-Playing: Tom Tom Club's _Tom Tom Club_ X-Hashcash: 1:23:110713:::oqapZjNgaPfS2X7e:0000000000000000003d4 X-Hashcash: 1:23:110713:vollmar@nf.mpg.de::BB7NyW+A9nmu/JRT:000000000000000000000000000000000000000000009gfH X-Hashcash: 1:23:110713:bojohan@gnu.org::ImhZzADWNFZJ1fH9:00AvQL X-Hashcash: 1:23:110713:stepnem@gmail.com::PjFHRGP2tQuk/yN2:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000Eij4 X-Hashcash: 1:23:110713:adamsonj@email.unc.edu::cWtn5kGgBhXdnSso:000000000000000000000000000000000000000E8EW X-Hashcash: 1:23:110713:help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org::w7bCNKoHl8Y81bPc:000000000000000000000000000000000000000aiiy X-Hashcash: 1:23:110713:6234@debbugs.gnu.org::gZIoeS7wSHsQtE7L:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000dApC X-Hashcash: 1:23:110713:drew.adams@oracle.com::8Z9fpctPMNVCQ7wZ:00000000000000000000000000000000000000010Slx X-Hashcash: 1:23:110713:cyd@stupidchicken.com::xEH78uiT9tDcZCf1:0000000000000000000000000000000000000001JhQB X-Hashcash: 1:23:110713:sdl.web@gmail.com::TRkrM5n4304PceCf:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000001fToz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1Qh7U2-0005uW-9x X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311199242.54836@XGy8uNgTbYvqc+Kgsy9zpg X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 6234 Cc: stepnem@gmail.com, Chong Yidong , bojohan@gnu.org, Stefan Vollmar , 6234@debbugs.gnu.org, Leo , Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) "Joel J. Adamson" writes: >> Could this please be documented somewhere? I don't see `none' as a >> possible value in `initial-buffer-choice' docstring or the Elisp manual. > > Would any quoted symbol work? Any symbol would work, but I've now added `none' to the doc string. For the particular use case here, it's probably right, but I'm not sure this is a particularly common use case, so I wasn't quite sure how to explain it in the doc string. But I had a go. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 13 19:46:32 2011 Received: (at 6234) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2011 23:46:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh98R-00010R-TV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:46:32 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh98Q-00010G-IK for 6234@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:46:31 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41801) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh98L-0007KK-BE; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:46:25 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#6234: site-start.el: inhibit-startup-screen? References: <5FF50F23-9E80-484C-A02E-354AB92F7701@nf.mpg.de> <87tyq2bc4e.fsf@gnu.org> <8739xlodlw.fsf@gmail.com> <23660.1274455929@chondestes.bio.unc.edu> X-Spook: JPL David John Oates Abu Ghraib jihad Janet Reno Ceridian X-Ran: sjiKJ|^IrZtX*H$vv+-|JsS@zaM-}!,yZcZ?].PVI=SN!SF/RgT2:Bm630|8-*:S+yCpLH X-Hue: red X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:46:24 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 13 Jul 2011 23:55:43 +0200") Message-ID: <8d7h7lyca7.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 6234 Cc: 6234@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Any symbol would work, but I've now added `none' to the doc string. For > the particular use case here, it's probably right, but I'm not sure this > is a particularly common use case, so I wasn't quite sure how to explain > it in the doc string. Does this usage (which looks like an accident rather than something intentional) offer anything other than a dodge round the fact that inhibit-startup-screen cannot be set in site-start? If not (and maybe even if it does), it should be removed, not documented. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 13 19:56:10 2011 Received: (at 6234) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2011 23:56:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh9Hi-0001FK-6f for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:56:10 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh9HZ-0001EY-7h for 6234@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:56:01 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh9HN-0007Wj-MA; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 01:55:45 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Glenn Morris Subject: Re: bug#6234: site-start.el: inhibit-startup-screen? In-Reply-To: <8d7h7lyca7.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (Glenn Morris's message of "Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:46:24 -0400") Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 01:55:41 +0200 Message-ID: References: <5FF50F23-9E80-484C-A02E-354AB92F7701@nf.mpg.de> <87tyq2bc4e.fsf@gnu.org> <8739xlodlw.fsf@gmail.com> <23660.1274455929@chondestes.bio.unc.edu> <8d7h7lyca7.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Now-Playing: Depeche Mode's _A Broken Frame_: "Satellite" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110713:rgm@gnu.org::Sc9wDzkU5DTMGtlu:0000009c3J X-Hashcash: 1:23:110713:6234@debbugs.gnu.org::W7Zj1EHxw+TUjd3Y:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000iiRM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1Qh9HN-0007Wj-MA X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311206145.94059@EY3jQGjNeTHQMsKJxGG68w X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 6234 Cc: 6234@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Glenn Morris writes: > Does this usage (which looks like an accident rather than something > intentional) offer anything other than a dodge round the fact that > inhibit-startup-screen cannot be set in site-start? It's probably accidental that it works, yes. > If not (and maybe even if it does), it should be removed, not > documented. It is a dodge of a kind, but it seems like it is slightly useful. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 13 19:59:08 2011 Received: (at 6234) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2011 23:59:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh9Ke-0001Jx-Em for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:59:08 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh9Kd-0001JU-DJ for 6234@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:59:07 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58171) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh9KX-00083C-Mq; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:59:01 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#6234: site-start.el: inhibit-startup-screen? References: <5FF50F23-9E80-484C-A02E-354AB92F7701@nf.mpg.de> <87tyq2bc4e.fsf@gnu.org> <8739xlodlw.fsf@gmail.com> <23660.1274455929@chondestes.bio.unc.edu> <8d7h7lyca7.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Spook: Exon Shell SEAL Team 6 Nazi passwd SWAT chameleon man INS X-Ran: 9Mi*9((~.~EzQ1IXHCeFoJn User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 6234 Cc: 6234@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote: > It is a dodge of a kind, but it seems like it is slightly useful. Useful for what? Because IIUC rms is keen that the startup screen not be suppressible on a site-wide basis. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 13 20:10:45 2011 Received: (at 6234) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jul 2011 00:10:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh9Vt-0001bp-5D for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 20:10:45 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh9Vr-0001be-ML for 6234@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 20:10:44 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh9Vf-0007lh-3n; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 02:10:31 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Glenn Morris Subject: Re: bug#6234: site-start.el: inhibit-startup-screen? In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:59:01 -0400") Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 02:09:51 +0200 Message-ID: References: <5FF50F23-9E80-484C-A02E-354AB92F7701@nf.mpg.de> <87tyq2bc4e.fsf@gnu.org> <8739xlodlw.fsf@gmail.com> <23660.1274455929@chondestes.bio.unc.edu> <8d7h7lyca7.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Now-Playing: Depeche Mode's _A Broken Frame_: "Further Excerpts From: My Secret Garden" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110714:6234@debbugs.gnu.org::HJHWUri0aL0M7jhX:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000Fw0a X-Hashcash: 1:23:110714:rgm@gnu.org::0Mef6KCivtvksPtw:000000N8Jx MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1Qh9Vf-0007lh-3n X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311207032.17966@in3HqaAccvjn6ihXsOIlVA X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 6234 Cc: 6234@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Glenn Morris writes: > Useful for what? Because IIUC rms is keen that the startup screen not be > suppressible on a site-wide basis. Oh, if it's a designed malfeature, then I guess it should be de-documented again... -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 13 21:48:50 2011 Received: (at 6234) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jul 2011 01:48:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhB2n-00062s-Be for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 21:48:49 -0400 Received: from vm-emlprdomr-05.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.146]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhB2m-00062i-7s for 6234@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 21:48:48 -0400 Received: from furball (dhcp128036014059.central.yale.edu [128.36.14.59]) (authenticated bits=0) by vm-emlprdomr-05.its.yale.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6E1mfWW006129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 13 Jul 2011 21:48:42 -0400 From: Chong Yidong To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#6234: site-start.el: inhibit-startup-screen? References: <5FF50F23-9E80-484C-A02E-354AB92F7701@nf.mpg.de> <87tyq2bc4e.fsf@gnu.org> <8739xlodlw.fsf@gmail.com> <23660.1274455929@chondestes.bio.unc.edu> <8d7h7lyca7.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 21:48:41 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Thu, 14 Jul 2011 02:09:51 +0200") Message-ID: <87zkkhpr7q.fsf@stupidchicken.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on 130.132.50.146 X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 6234 Cc: Glenn Morris , 6234@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > Glenn Morris writes: > >> Useful for what? Because IIUC rms is keen that the startup screen not be >> suppressible on a site-wide basis. > > Oh, if it's a designed malfeature, then I guess it should be > de-documented again... It's better to leave this option out of Customize. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 14 09:03:28 2011 Received: (at 6234) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jul 2011 13:03:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhLZZ-0000Qs-T8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 09:03:28 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhLZU-0000QW-5h for 6234@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 09:03:20 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QhLZE-0005Xi-VN; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:03:01 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Chong Yidong Subject: Re: bug#6234: site-start.el: inhibit-startup-screen? In-Reply-To: <87zkkhpr7q.fsf@stupidchicken.com> (Chong Yidong's message of "Wed, 13 Jul 2011 21:48:41 -0400") Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 14:55:48 +0200 Message-ID: References: <5FF50F23-9E80-484C-A02E-354AB92F7701@nf.mpg.de> <87tyq2bc4e.fsf@gnu.org> <8739xlodlw.fsf@gmail.com> <23660.1274455929@chondestes.bio.unc.edu> <8d7h7lyca7.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87zkkhpr7q.fsf@stupidchicken.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAHlBMVEUBAQNRHyYEBAUAAAFY XG4CAgQBAgPDvbcMBwoCAgLJIrQxAAACbElEQVQ4jWVUPYvcMBAVHE4vEJzLoCDwdkvEBVQaBL5y 0aFCXZoLpFwwuF6RQmXAKDD/Nm+k/eC4AYM8T28+pDcSWeuplDwVPemiSw74KzlPIk8adnBxYlzr GPTEmwW7DVXdbdrYVu+9ABrIphBjBBA+AJroQJRqTG7owLKtohiKZBIAioZeroBvANV9t5ZcjKk+ GNnsjuB31nFARF88m9BIu9uG0P6dpPISn1co10RyHIlRK9nUq//DfUT6Zoncbl9ssxqM1lzuvted HDJxLpgL6B/AAR74bU2dQDXoxkAHMICxE2psQNGxAuFyHVNQx2AYmLKJqB+emv42yvHEpya83/yy fTZxW6yfgdWv12MAe7suFgC+FDlK6W/WrgOAfy0SwIVPiD3bsnVgHS+zmscRPC9nufS4DGx+BmUs lxZu8XPPcZbqrDqgvOrBQEJVcF74rMeL6oX69bmVe5alXcIoZ25H8fqsAMyyG3j+/qNaqDtwN8U5 bo7x4ZfzM4DCKZT8YChD+NZxqxMNPA5G5KzNDlUT4d7MSRyfBpbxJCYd+WrtSxqgF8EXNbC+hc7Q MuTx4ws2np6O9ihiByAr168WDmEF+zuQdg4FXRlQHAcK4cogCIX3w4bhFDCLkXNAI+D+4wAQeHjD EDYADLv3/dA3okFWpgEJesbQxHeew9MJfYQGoAtUBcovJgnxBIWCLEKqNb7xPMNt4vvXOCBSmEQ4 YCrfQNHBIMRPfIEfAYGiXDKUWOFw/uYCDAM6Y5arOfCwIBwDvAcMrEx7MVjjuiXmZ4dHzeBXtwcI HhALXqEi8OIEfnia5dKczPgPd5FSJEFcq9AAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Depeche Mode's _Stripped_: "Fly on the windscreen" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110714:6234@debbugs.gnu.org::Za8BK5qSqMjTib1r:000000000000000000000000000000000000000004KgH X-Hashcash: 1:23:110714:cyd@stupidchicken.com::7IydaWdNxNLUrGXc:00000000000000000000000000000000000000004vHM X-Hashcash: 1:23:110714:rgm@gnu.org::liwmqEElzQ43xMuI:000001GY4V MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1QhLZE-0005Xi-VN X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311253381.09106@r2uZ6jV4tGw3PPsgSKrEmw X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 6234 Cc: Glenn Morris , 6234@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Chong Yidong writes: > It's better to leave this option out of Customize. Ok; I'll remove it again. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 14 11:10:25 2011 Received: (at 6234) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jul 2011 15:10:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhNYS-0000mV-4d for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 11:10:25 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhNYM-0000mG-9d for 6234@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 11:10:19 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QhNYF-0007x9-6O; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 11:10:07 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 11:10:07 -0400 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman To: Glenn Morris In-reply-to: (message from Glenn Morris on Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:59:01 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#6234: site-start.el: inhibit-startup-screen? References: <5FF50F23-9E80-484C-A02E-354AB92F7701@nf.mpg.de> <87tyq2bc4e.fsf@gnu.org> <8739xlodlw.fsf@gmail.com> <23660.1274455929@chondestes.bio.unc.edu> <8d7h7lyca7.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 6234 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 6234@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: rms@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) Useful for what? Because IIUC rms is keen that the startup screen not be suppressible on a site-wide basis. Yes. The startup screen gives users information that we want them to see. Once they have seen it, if they want not to see it again, we give them a way to turn it off. But we don't want someone else to turn it off in advance for them so they never see it. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use free telephony http://directory.fsf.org/category/tel/ From unknown Sat Aug 16 13:41:48 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 11:24:05 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator