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Hi FSF,

I was wondering if the FSF can turn Emacs Lisp into a tool that is as easy= to use as two of these mainstream Lisp environments - Allegro Common Lisp = and LispWorks.  And to do away with difficult to remember commands suc= h as C-x C-m for example, if there is such a thing.

Other= wise, its a free and useful tool for learning Lisp and using it for AI.&nbs= p;

That's all I have to say.

--- Andrew Goh

------=_Part_985654_2024425126.1679037995910-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 17 04:13:45 2023 Received: (at 62233) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Mar 2023 08:13:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43532 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pd5Dc-0007Lo-M0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Mar 2023 04:13:44 -0400 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:36759) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pd5Da-0007LW-6b for 62233@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Mar 2023 04:13:42 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 19E4A24047E for <62233@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 17 Mar 2023 09:13:33 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1679040816; bh=OsKbFc9pmbGD2CMDzTE8mBjOVtCUIeDnTeOTD3CCv+M=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:From; b=e+irGHD9AjlJMYmJyAXg4stlP+8I+scnZYyDu0esEBb53piqcknqSKhtq09ekKT7m 9a5OD7AkNUoDkGvG/bhlB6KdW5I03tqwuCTzkCF4joPixhOJrIyQEtDXZ0D9Rfw2Av bWG903d5vhDk33Ehbvs2AS1QDh505gyzXUMdmuygKBr/zthJbPgmqW6roK30+epTN/ CKKgMfi3vqF4cTvKqMcwu0MKdDonrVvIEHMfT1ajzlosP6h3CAAatzahXHmPpSxgYE GN/6cJ3dEdyK5YjvF3T5zNVvp6l5ZoP+RNNqS9A9ea0FAmB4Q0RaE90fgqj5yV6oua iUUCyR8lclwtQ== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4PdH2N4SSKz6tpT; Fri, 17 Mar 2023 09:13:32 +0100 (CET) From: Philip Kaludercic To: Andrew Goh Subject: Re: bug#62233: Using Emacs Lisp In-Reply-To: <933663386.985655.1679037995911@mail.yahoo.com> (Andrew Goh's message of "Fri, 17 Mar 2023 07:26:35 +0000 (UTC)") References: <933663386.985655.1679037995911.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <933663386.985655.1679037995911@mail.yahoo.com> Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; keydata= mDMEZBBQQhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAHJuofBrfqFh12uQu0Yi7mrl525F28eTmwUDflFNmdui0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiWBBMWCAA+FiEEDg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwMFCQHhM4AFCwkI BwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwulikAEA77hloUiSrXgFkUVJhlKBpLCHUjA0 mWZ9j9w5d08+jVwBAK6c4iGP7j+/PhbkxaEKa4V3MzIl7zJkcNNjHCXmvFcEuDgEZBBQQhIKKwYB BAGXVQEFAQEHQI5NLiLRjZy3OfSt1dhCmFyn+fN/QKELUYQetiaoe+MMAwEIB4h+BBgWCAAmFiEE Dg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwwFCQHhM4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwukm+wEA8cml4JpK NeAu65rg+auKrPOP6TP/4YWRCTIvuYDm0joBALw98AMz7/qMHvSCeU/hw9PL6u6R2EScxtpKnWof z4oM Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2023 08:13:32 +0000 Message-ID: <87sfe3lrrn.fsf@posteo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 62233 Cc: 62233@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Andrew Goh writes: > Hi FSF, > I was wondering if the FSF can turn Emacs Lisp into a tool that is as > easy to use as two of these mainstream Lisp environments - Allegro > Common Lisp and LispWorks.=C2=A0 And to do away with difficult to remember > commands such as C-x C-m for example, if there is such a thing. > Otherwise, its a free and useful tool for learning Lisp and using it for = AI.=C2=A0 > That's all I have to say. > --- Andrew Goh You can already write Emacs Lisp code using Nano or vi and run the code using "emacs --script". The discussion to abandon the Emacs UI comes up from time to time and is usually fruitless. There are a lot of people who are used to and like keychords and a lot of packages rely on them, so it would not be worth betraying them. There are people who write scripts that make Emacs emulate different kinds of editors. I believe that would be the best way forwards for what you are looking to do. Also, I believe you wanted to address GNU, specifically the Emacs maintaine= rs. --=20 Philip Kaludercic From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 17 23:48:23 2023 Received: (at 62233) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Mar 2023 03:48:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45964 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pdNYL-0003Iy-B0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Mar 2023 23:48:23 -0400 Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:44413) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pdNYI-0003IY-Qb for 62233@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Mar 2023 23:48:20 -0400 Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.239.14.94]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000000F5860.0000000064153485.000035CA; Fri, 17 Mar 2023 20:48:21 -0700 Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 06:42:40 +0300 From: Jean Louis To: Philip Kaludercic Subject: Re: bug#62233: Using Emacs Lisp Message-ID: References: <933663386.985655.1679037995911.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <933663386.985655.1679037995911@mail.yahoo.com> <87sfe3lrrn.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87sfe3lrrn.fsf@posteo.net> User-Agent: Mutt/2.2.9+54 (af2080d) (2022-11-21) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 62233 Cc: 62233@debbugs.gnu.org, Andrew Goh X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) * Philip Kaludercic [2023-03-17 11:14]: > You can already write Emacs Lisp code using Nano or vi and run the code > using "emacs --script". Is there practical example? -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 17 23:48:23 2023 Received: (at 62233) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Mar 2023 03:48:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45966 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pdNYN-0003JL-Cx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Mar 2023 23:48:23 -0400 Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:37515) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pdNYK-0003Is-V3 for 62233@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Mar 2023 23:48:21 -0400 Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.239.14.94]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000000F5861.0000000064153488.000035DD; Fri, 17 Mar 2023 20:48:24 -0700 Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 06:46:22 +0300 From: Jean Louis To: Andrew Goh Subject: Re: bug#62233: Using Emacs Lisp Message-ID: References: <933663386.985655.1679037995911.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <933663386.985655.1679037995911@mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <933663386.985655.1679037995911@mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/2.2.9+54 (af2080d) (2022-11-21) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 62233 Cc: 62233@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) * Andrew Goh via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors [2023-03-17 10:29]: > I was wondering if the FSF can turn Emacs Lisp into a tool that is > as easy to use as two of Thanks. Can you tell what it means "as easy to use"? Can you describe what makes it easy? > these mainstream Lisp environments - Allegro Common Lisp and > LispWorks. They may be "main" in proprietary world, where commercial companies dictate over their users, while in free software world, they can't compare. I guess that SBLC could be the main free software Common Lisp implementation. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Mar 18 03:39:48 2023 Received: (at 62233) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Mar 2023 07:39:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46093 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pdRAK-0003WW-79 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 03:39:48 -0400 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:33487) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pdRAI-0003WD-2i for 62233@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 03:39:47 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 21A8B240627 for <62233@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 08:39:37 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1679125180; bh=RTGlIVIJBDhOwbsi/emSZNGhUyBtcjYfd/J3tp9Qf+A=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:From; b=S4REgDyIaQMOCEQXgkvonsPfghgp9OHGTDZnBMGjn5TAzdiK7EyT5yQEIOgMmzkoT I6pe2CU+CWlFE1hfEWK8/+UJ6NvBXC8Bg7Y0Sp3alrXtvKd9WS7QbKlzbd0cvGjgLT 62hHqLdwadG+tPYp/u13eAM3l6T9ZF+289bKrKWPN7lVSaFDXKUVXE/LO0nCY6gFj7 9GOWdnDkpat0Zr4MTLvNtIyv9yB+zFEBgQAGsE1qOm5SvlL3hck04+CTDNv/sLr8PO Gud9LwKfqNC32RHIcFnx0oNazGb/FVWQx2OdymA5w9oJlk0wUsv/FNtTUQ8PQ7/zC9 YgDQDSkBFyE4g== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4PdtDm2fhdz6trt; Sat, 18 Mar 2023 08:39:36 +0100 (CET) From: Philip Kaludercic To: Jean Louis Subject: Re: bug#62233: Using Emacs Lisp In-Reply-To: (Jean Louis's message of "Sat, 18 Mar 2023 06:42:40 +0300") References: <933663386.985655.1679037995911.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <933663386.985655.1679037995911@mail.yahoo.com> <87sfe3lrrn.fsf@posteo.net> Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; keydata= mDMEZBBQQhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAHJuofBrfqFh12uQu0Yi7mrl525F28eTmwUDflFNmdui0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiWBBMWCAA+FiEEDg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwMFCQHhM4AFCwkI BwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwulikAEA77hloUiSrXgFkUVJhlKBpLCHUjA0 mWZ9j9w5d08+jVwBAK6c4iGP7j+/PhbkxaEKa4V3MzIl7zJkcNNjHCXmvFcEuDgEZBBQQhIKKwYB BAGXVQEFAQEHQI5NLiLRjZy3OfSt1dhCmFyn+fN/QKELUYQetiaoe+MMAwEIB4h+BBgWCAAmFiEE Dg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwwFCQHhM4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwukm+wEA8cml4JpK NeAu65rg+auKrPOP6TP/4YWRCTIvuYDm0joBALw98AMz7/qMHvSCeU/hw9PL6u6R2EScxtpKnWof z4oM Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2023 07:39:35 +0000 Message-ID: <878rfujyo8.fsf@posteo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 62233 Cc: 62233@debbugs.gnu.org, Andrew Goh X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Jean Louis writes: > * Philip Kaludercic [2023-03-17 11:14]: >> You can already write Emacs Lisp code using Nano or vi and run the code >> using "emacs --script". > > Is there practical example? I am not sure what you mean, but since Emacs Lisp is just plain text you can write it using any editor. You will not have the advantages of doing so inside a interactive environment like Emacs, but it is still possible. -- Philip Kaludercic From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 11 20:18:11 2023 Received: (at 62233-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Sep 2023 00:18:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55376 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qfr6Z-00014g-A8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 20:18:11 -0400 Received: from mail-lj1-x22f.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::22f]:61863) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qfr6W-00014E-2T for 62233-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 20:18:10 -0400 Received: by mail-lj1-x22f.google.com with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-2b703a0453fso85421041fa.3 for <62233-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 17:18:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1694477877; x=1695082677; darn=debbugs.gnu.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=sRVugcUDu6N9f9mG+h3HB5aCF0h5Im1yT1gNcMoqT+8=; b=s3uaNjaV4uovp7qXeHT4990uVrlW5v8g+YzXzJIeMRwvyLcdavOe2ZyRYa7E9th6ax Yp+8TjpftyTXtOKT/NaM6QfPgYoNLaS45VjAN2VaFri2O1m+t8U11rBQI7JALk9v6PBQ ASbnG8gJzHFFTQbsDqSL/quYe6ANSYN7LFIq9iTOA6AOtediDmSzfIYEpk9jyZCoEBkW Pm638k8uavic30FHK5nXsEpm+s4AViP6XTYT1ySTyxc7yALtkovEY2d0Ef3PAwQ7mMWk eDeDCum48ql6PilOPhAw6VgWdu8hpUVeF4uxh1cMiiNNwQ9wbeiil+gDjE2m5aIL4gn9 CIZw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1694477877; x=1695082677; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=sRVugcUDu6N9f9mG+h3HB5aCF0h5Im1yT1gNcMoqT+8=; b=lY6eHH8IpJx5KCCgfNTARVMe9jx9hLoU8uTjpS+svql7AYBQAr6IeCgAmOCwPsrfEo 5F30auLf0fCWuq3VgKxuOjTDzv91VAB3Hbsgf7PT6Bbw0VGlcHL6Rf8wb5Fm7yjmwt3a nvaCEdxhuGmN2Vj/KFgmNvwHZhMrG7z0g8DNoqhZ/nxzUXQAWmX0aIHEAAkQRzd0Z7DX 3qKsUjjOgbjBTm+MV0E0DWZG7tgJofCv7SMUe1G3GtWRuadgV/oF3mmjWezNnTEzIuYx UE05r7FLGx57cPGh8iOvoksPn3zK/E9TQ9Tg2EB7E1u5kenvQIwZiuknoZHAxBk4UkkE 93aw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yxyu0bRHD7Xi1uhr9QRkvc+PuMxmVyy44hQasB0Zh7OaWROmXuH 13+843q+dqWtFIYTmM321Ib1utTjvCVD7HRqXI8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHyKxhSpwrYjs5Y/iGc+Hr2sIuSzvgcWlVEzXkb1B7l92bCq2RzucKE+wNwmNvXbwXESBk66rW0e/ZdfYzzWpA= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:851a:0:b0:2bc:b815:d64d with SMTP id j26-20020a2e851a000000b002bcb815d64dmr10209938lji.30.1694477877222; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 17:17:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 17:17:56 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <933663386.985655.1679037995911@mail.yahoo.com> (Andrew Goh's message of "Fri, 17 Mar 2023 07:26:35 +0000 (UTC)") References: <933663386.985655.1679037995911.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <933663386.985655.1679037995911@mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 17:17:56 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#62233: Using Emacs Lisp To: Andrew Goh Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 62233-done Cc: 62233-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Andrew Goh writes: > Hi FSF, > > I was wondering if the FSF can turn Emacs Lisp into a tool that is as > easy to use as two of these mainstream Lisp environments - Allegro > Common Lisp and LispWorks. And to do away with difficult to remember > commands such as C-x C-m for example, if there is such a thing. > > Otherwise, its a free and useful tool for learning Lisp and using it > for AI. > > That's all I have to say. Thanks for your feedback. We are continuously working on making Emacs Lisp easier to use. I don't think we can simplify commands much though, but we trying when we can. Emacs is an old piece of software, which means that some of the conventions we follow may seem outdated. However, many users use and depend on them, and it wouldn't be fair to them to just throw out all those conventions out in one go. We therefore improve them incrementally, and sometimes it's slow going. I don't see anything actionable here, so I'm closing the bug report. From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:26:10 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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