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envelope-from=drew.adams@oracle.com; helo=mx0b-00069f02.pphosted.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) It would help if the doc of these commands (and others that use `dired-read-shell-command') mentioned that if `dired-x' is loaded then they make use of option `dired-guess-shell-command' to guess an appropriate default value (command). To find this out now, users need to check the implementations of such commands, see that they call `dired-read-shell-command', and check the doc of that function. In GNU Emacs 26.3 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2019-08-29 Repository revision: 96dd0196c28bc36779584e47fffcca433c9309cd Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.19044 Configured using: `configure --without-dbus --host=3Dx86_64-w64-mingw32 --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -static -g3'' From unknown Sun Aug 10 07:38:41 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Drew Adams Subject: bug#62126: closed (Re: bug#62126: 26.3; Doc of `dired-do(-async)-shell-command': mention `dired-guess-shell-command') Message-ID: References: <83h6uquzs1.fsf@gnu.org> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 62126 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 62126@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2023 08:43:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1678610582-13272-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1678610582-13272-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #62126: 26.3; Doc of `dired-do(-async)-shell-command': mention `dired-guess= -shell-command' which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. 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It already does, in Emacs 27 and later. 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envelope-from=drew.adams@oracle.com; helo=mx0b-00069f02.pphosted.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) It would help if the doc of these commands (and others that use `dired-read-shell-command') mentioned that if `dired-x' is loaded then they make use of option `dired-guess-shell-command' to guess an appropriate default value (command). To find this out now, users need to check the implementations of such commands, see that they call `dired-read-shell-command', and check the doc of that function. In GNU Emacs 26.3 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2019-08-29 Repository revision: 96dd0196c28bc36779584e47fffcca433c9309cd Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.19044 Configured using: `configure --without-dbus --host=3Dx86_64-w64-mingw32 --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -static -g3'' ------------=_1678610582-13272-1-- From unknown Sun Aug 10 07:38:41 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#62126: 26.3; Doc of `dired-do(-async)-shell-command': mention `dired-guess-shell-command' Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2023 09:17:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 62126 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: drew.adams@oracle.com Cc: 62126@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 62126-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B62126.167861260416978 (code B ref 62126); Sun, 12 Mar 2023 09:17:01 +0000 Received: (at 62126) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Mar 2023 09:16:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59162 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pbHop-0004Pm-NY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 12 Mar 2023 05:16:43 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:60044) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pbHon-0004PS-Ki for 62126@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 12 Mar 2023 05:16:42 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pbHoi-0003Xn-2P; Sun, 12 Mar 2023 05:16:36 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=JzC7KbG8f3WBkJme8GMnGhlvwwpTAwXozTQU1y/QT7U=; b=fos+RyL568MJ 7TygxvVfCssIXObAOC6KGGCeITmdsVgP5My6WqhlXho+Vno5uqhJYg+fd7V0tMCvtZMHy+BRQEH1m YjeiykFse60EalahGtA1WFt66/PI7JJI7rSOdPt9DBVc7C/fyKUIaxlvlaZk1LOt2XdL+UJ5XshMz eLLssgPbf6V1SeHojLsKWZuRe2EqdLNxHzRBXoWKTJIm+7TWOCl2X7H04c4uDBPMo1/2Ro6sFMM0j sUeovro8fHcb8s3j+NgWsAOY6cXtpkUYmeJRrsqoikceN4OHD806W2ImAXjsOPmN9zWVMtpxzACph CWQWrXatTlbFID01cWjcLA==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pbHoh-0007X9-4U; Sun, 12 Mar 2023 05:16:35 -0400 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2023 11:16:23 +0200 Message-Id: <83cz5euy6w.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <83h6uquzs1.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sun, 12 Mar 2023 10:42:06 +0200) References: <83h6uquzs1.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Resent-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > Cc: 62126-done@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2023 10:42:06 +0200 > From: Eli Zaretskii > > > From: Drew Adams > > Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2023 17:58:10 +0000 > > > > It would help if the doc of these commands (and others that use > > `dired-read-shell-command') mentioned that if `dired-x' is loaded then > > they make use of option `dired-guess-shell-command' to guess an > > appropriate default value (command). > > It already does, in Emacs 27 and later. Actually, I see that in Emacs 26.3 as well, so I'm not sure why you didn't. Maybe you didn't mention all the commands you had in mind? 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From unknown Sun Aug 10 07:38:41 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#62126: 26.3; Doc of `dired-do(-async)-shell-command': mention `dired-guess-shell-command' Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2023 15:28:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 62126 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 62126@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 62126-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B62126.16786348424499 (code B ref 62126); Sun, 12 Mar 2023 15:28:01 +0000 Received: (at 62126) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Mar 2023 15:27:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32969 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pbNbV-0001AV-Ug for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 12 Mar 2023 11:27:22 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:43506) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pbNbT-0001AF-Eo for 62126@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 12 Mar 2023 11:27:20 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pbNbN-0007eL-MR; Sun, 12 Mar 2023 11:27:13 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=1cxxciUR8Ze7IxTUMopOc1P453G45i3KJswFWv46gGo=; b=mIVkDx6Ngdzg FwK7IiPrNT4MwacOhHgaWBW1ra8IAU2vtow0h1zoiy+XRwoF9Lb+o6Kvl6Nd64hiXI0cT2TTyFHkN GjpNEy6dGMSs0NxrNeaGK635Q/k288c0XWiay6mQIdQJnthmTt61h3RW1ULUJgCVmRCv7R4hP9L5g 103IclcvXcyWn7I2ZAXVWDNUYsEeVmgLaB4SN0kvxG/4yymJfrj4DrXo9/Y9JYS/OXYGowDFdCU0H 1jsmR5GYHOY6UAqjH27gPQ2fPQphZ/zp2ob0ResPDjCLI4Z29uo1ykJk/M0OQMenwBLwfc+vT8wJN +V6DaqubQXuoHVKTysMO9g==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pbNbM-0006XW-Uw; Sun, 12 Mar 2023 11:27:13 -0400 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2023 17:27:01 +0200 Message-Id: <83ttyqt2gq.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Sun, 12 Mar 2023 15:07:44 +0000) References: <83h6uquzs1.fsf@gnu.org> <83cz5euy6w.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Drew Adams > CC: "62126@debbugs.gnu.org" <62126@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2023 15:07:44 +0000 > > > > > It would help if the doc of these commands (and others that use > > > > `dired-read-shell-command') mentioned that if `dired-x' is loaded then > > > > they make use of option `dired-guess-shell-command' to guess an > > > > appropriate default value (command). > > > > > > It already does, in Emacs 27 and later. > > Thanks; I missed that. > > > Actually, I see that in Emacs 26.3 as well, so I'm not sure why you > > didn't. Maybe you didn't mention all the commands you had in mind? > > Where do you see it in 26.3? I didn't find it there. > I don't see it there in either of those doc strings. > I don't see it in the Emacs manual, where those > commands are doc'd (or anywhere else). I don't see > it in the Elisp manual. But I haven't had any coffee > yet this morning... Maybe this is a misunderstanding. How about if you show the doc strings of the offending functions and tell explicitly what is missing from them? 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I missed that. > > > > > Actually, I see that in Emacs 26.3 as well, so I'm not sure why you > > > didn't. Maybe you didn't mention all the commands you had in mind? > > > > Where do you see it in 26.3? I didn't find it there. > > I don't see it there in either of those doc strings. > > I don't see it in the Emacs manual, where those > > commands are doc'd (or anywhere else). I don't see > > it in the Elisp manual. But I haven't had any coffee > > yet this morning... >=20 > Maybe this is a misunderstanding. How about if you show the doc > strings of the offending functions and tell explicitly what is missing > from them? This is present in 27.2 and missing in Emacs 26.3: 'dired-guess-shell-alist-default' and 'dired-guess-shell-alist-user' are consulted when the user is prompted for the shell command to use interactively. ______ Emacs 27.2: dired-do-shell-command is an autoloaded interactive compiled Lisp function in 'dired-aux.el'. It is bound to !, X, . (dired-do-shell-command COMMAND &optional ARG FILE-LIST) Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 21.1. Run a shell command COMMAND on the marked files. If no files are marked or a numeric prefix arg is given, the next ARG files are used. Just C-u means the current file. The prompt mentions the file(s) or the marker, as appropriate. If there is a '*' in COMMAND, surrounded by whitespace, this runs COMMAND just once with the entire file list substituted there. If there is no '*', but there is a '?' in COMMAND, surrounded by whitespace, or a '`?`' this runs COMMAND on each file individually with the file name substituted for '?' or '`?`'. Otherwise, this runs COMMAND on each file individually with the file name added at the end of COMMAND (separated by a space). '*' and '?' when not surrounded by whitespace nor '`' have no special significance for 'dired-do-shell-command', and are passed through normally to the shell, but you must confirm first. If you want to use '*' as a shell wildcard with whitespace around it, write '*""' in place of just '*'. This is equivalent to just '*' in the shell, but avoids Dired's special handling. If COMMAND ends in '&', ';', or ';&', it is executed in the background asynchronously, and the output appears in the buffer '*Async Shell Command*'. When operating on multiple files and COMMAND ends in '&', the shell command is executed on each file in parallel. However, when COMMAND ends in ';' or ';&' then commands are executed in the background on each file sequentially waiting for each command to terminate before running the next command. You can also use 'dired-do-async-shell-command' that automatically adds '&'. Otherwise, COMMAND is executed synchronously, and the output appears in the buffer '*Shell Command Output*'. This feature does not try to redisplay Dired buffers afterward, as there's no telling what files COMMAND may have changed. Type l to redisplay the marked files. When COMMAND runs, its working directory is the top-level directory of the Dired buffer, so output files usually are created there instead of in a subdir. In a noninteractive call (from Lisp code), you must specify the list of file names explicitly with the FILE-LIST argument, which can be produced by 'dired-get-marked-files', for example. 'dired-guess-shell-alist-default' and 'dired-guess-shell-alist-user' are consulted when the user is prompted for the shell command to use interactively. ________________ Emacs 26.3: dired-do-shell-command is an interactive autoloaded compiled Lisp function in 'dired-aux.el'. It is bound to !, X, . (dired-do-shell-command COMMAND &optional ARG FILE-LIST) Run a shell command COMMAND on the marked files. If no files are marked or a numeric prefix arg is given, the next ARG files are used. Just C-u means the current file. The prompt mentions the file(s) or the marker, as appropriate. If there is a '*' in COMMAND, surrounded by whitespace, this runs COMMAND just once with the entire file list substituted there. If there is no '*', but there is a '?' in COMMAND, surrounded by whitespace, or a '`?`' this runs COMMAND on each file individually with the file name substituted for '?' or '`?`'. Otherwise, this runs COMMAND on each file individually with the file name added at the end of COMMAND (separated by a space). '*' and '?' when not surrounded by whitespace nor '`' have no special significance for 'dired-do-shell-command', and are passed through normally to the shell, but you must confirm first. If you want to use '*' as a shell wildcard with whitespace around it, write '*""' in place of just '*'. This is equivalent to just '*' in the shell, but avoids Dired's special handling. If COMMAND ends in '&', ';', or ';&', it is executed in the background asynchronously, and the output appears in the buffer '*Async Shell Command*'. When operating on multiple files and COMMAND ends in '&', the shell command is executed on each file in parallel. However, when COMMAND ends in ';' or ';&' then commands are executed in the background on each file sequentially waiting for each command to terminate before running the next command. You can also use 'dired-do-async-shell-command' that automatically adds '&'. Otherwise, COMMAND is executed synchronously, and the output appears in the buffer '*Shell Command Output*'. This feature does not try to redisplay Dired buffers afterward, as there's no telling what files COMMAND may have changed. Type l to redisplay the marked files. When COMMAND runs, its working directory is the top-level directory of the Dired buffer, so output files usually are created there instead of in a subdir. In a noninteractive call (from Lisp code), you must specify the list of file names explicitly with the FILE-LIST argument, which can be produced by 'dired-get-marked-files', for example. From unknown Sun Aug 10 07:38:41 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#62126: 26.3; Doc of `dired-do(-async)-shell-command': mention `dired-guess-shell-command' Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2023 20:15:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 62126 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 62126@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 62126-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B62126.1678652046904 (code B ref 62126); Sun, 12 Mar 2023 20:15:02 +0000 Received: (at 62126) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Mar 2023 20:14:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33134 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pbS4z-0000EW-Lo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 12 Mar 2023 16:14:05 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41078) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pbS4x-0000Dv-15 for 62126@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 12 Mar 2023 16:14:03 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pbS4r-0006xL-Ds; Sun, 12 Mar 2023 16:13:57 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=en20lXifHshE3fDtwWTJAbfuU7wW3KqpLreOgBep6r4=; b=Kfl7Y4kPm4Je S34J/8BP/BAlQklTpGq2lbRie4ZODWs4IZQOtvoZW0GwCR23GGAXBMNtfR6kUAxl2jvyfz1j7KoO+ hpWUE2mYPPjpFYzgBOdXMS+oxUeY7/c8kLutf+5NdcOC6C3/651fU32Rapw0YpynLoa/FbhV0zVh/ NOwEq3w+jmcknhd5IjbDN7yKAtRPQLCvWewLq9QbX0bGgJtvnL8WOWDzU7fF5mjPhHmU6WHdQnIZz a3blifDt5R5fZzZF6dNO3+K0oZ0SYOTf+6s49AokLZxI0xZ5n3TLdlPWVRhr76n8ok2WNpNCszJnp izMLv0o3INZt8LD/wABWLw==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pbS4q-0006je-Rh; Sun, 12 Mar 2023 16:13:57 -0400 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2023 22:13:46 +0200 Message-Id: <83mt4hu3r9.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Sun, 12 Mar 2023 15:59:22 +0000) References: <83h6uquzs1.fsf@gnu.org> <83cz5euy6w.fsf@gnu.org> <83ttyqt2gq.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Drew Adams > CC: "62126@debbugs.gnu.org" <62126@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2023 15:59:22 +0000 > > This is present in 27.2 and missing in Emacs 26.3: > > 'dired-guess-shell-alist-default' and > 'dired-guess-shell-alist-user' are consulted when the user is > prompted for the shell command to use interactively. OK, so this closes the issue, right? 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